buzzkilloton wrote:Alot of people bearish on Ivey. Seems like the majority of piston boards i read and nba twitter is on the bear side of him. I'm still feeling fairly bullish and hes firmly in 5 potential all star players i see in the draft.
I would love to see the conversation if we landed say pick 3 and heard he was looking like the guy we wanted and then selected him. I think selecting Ivey before pick 4 or us taking Chet like pick 1 are going to lead to the best discussions. Chets so damn polarizing even though hes been considered that high all year it would be some fun debates.
there are a few things that have me bearish on Ivey
Firstly is his ability to play as a lead guard/creator at the next level. In todays NBA I would be hesitant to have a lead ball handler be in that 6'2-6'3 range that Ivey seems to be. He's considered a combo guard, but thats primarily because he doesn't have the skills to be a point guard, not because of his size or versatility. We've seen hyper athletic guys in this frame before like Westbrook, Rose, Ja. I suppose that would be the absolute ceiling for Ivey, but the problem is all of those guys were better processors and playmakers than Ivey. The processing, playmaking and creating for others is a major concern for me with Ivey. It allowed the others to play as point guards and lead ball handlers and I don't see it with him. Without it, I think it caps him as secondary action sort of guy or secondary creator.
I think Donovan Mitchell is a more realistic ceiling in terms of playmaking but he was so far ahead of Ivey as a shooter, especially off the dribble. The shooting and in between game really concern me for Ivey. I think he's ok as a catch and shoot guy from 3, but anything other than that looks really really rough. He has zero touch in that sort of 5-10 feet range where guys like Morant feast.
The way I see Ivey right now is someone that is going to try to attack the basket using speed/quickness and if can't get there, he's in trouble. He can't pull up, he struggles to make the right read if the d collapses and really doesn't have that much in his bag. As a sophomore that concerns me because he had those same concerns as a freshman.
Then there is the defensive side, where despite being a freak athlete and having an athletic advantage over pretty much everyone he guarded, he wasn't impactful. Very low steal rate for someone with his athletic tools and at his position, it was lower than even someone like Paolo. Gives me questions about his engagement and just his overall defensive instincts. I think in theory he can be a good defender, but right now he certainly isn't.
Now, those points are more related to him as a prospect in a vacuum. But the obvious additional point to reference is his fit in the lineup next to Cade. I've seen people say that he could be used as a 2nd side action guy, who attacks shifting and scrambling defences, taking advantage of his speed. I actually do think he would fit pretty well in this role, because it mitigates his playmaking duties and average ball handling and allows him to leverage his first step and speed. Think of someone like Maxey, but even still Ivey would need to improve his perimeter shot making off the dribble to play this role effectively. Even assuming his shot gets there eventually, the problem for me is whether or not someone in this role is worth a top 5 pick. For me, its not




















