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2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

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Re: 2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0 

Post#1321 » by Rodrickle » Tue May 17, 2022 10:28 pm

Dalek wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Wish we went for Ingram when his stock was low.


Not quite on Ingram's level, but the guy I would love to buy low on is De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks. He had a wrist injury for part of the year and it slowed him down, but he still had the following numbers:

6'8" wing
47.4% inside the arc
37.9% from three
47.8% from the left corner-three

He is also an elite defender. He just needs to keep working on his shot creation skills but to me he has the lanky body-type that will figure it out.

Against Miami in the Round 1 he averaged 21 and 4 which is Middleton like numbers.

I'd personally trade Trent Jr for Hunter which creates a bit more flexibility if we decide on moving on from Pascal at some point in the near future. Trent with Young just makes sense to me. That would be a high scoring backcourt. Hunter would eliminate any weakspots on the Raptors and I love the upside with him.
Doubt the Hawks will trade Hunter when they need more defense

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Post#1322 » by agkagk » Tue May 17, 2022 10:47 pm

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agkagk wrote:
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You said point guard has always been the most important position. Now you're saying elite floor general, which is quite different since that doesn't have to be a point guard.



If all you can do is argue semantics than just stop trying.


It's not semantics. Plenty of teams have won championships without great point guards. The Bulls, the post-Magic Lakers, the Heat...
And many others have won where point guard wasn't even close to the post important position.

If you want to win, the most important position is having an MVP calibre player on the perimeter. Can you win without one? Sure, but championship teams tend to have them more often than not.



Having an mvp caliber player has nothing to do with a teams need for an elite floor general at the point. nooooooot a top scoring all star at the point a bloody floor general. Because pooooooint guuuuuuard is the most important position in the game.

Stop trying to bait me into a different narrative and please acknowledge a single thing I’ve said.

Good luck pretending Michael freakin Jordan and Dwayne wade weren’t de facto point guards. John Paxton and Derek fisher never existed either. Zero point guard leadership there, got it. Thanks.

Your right, im wrong, we need to trade fred immediately for a late lotto pick and a bench player because hes not a true superstar.

Happy now?

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Post#1323 » by HumbleRen » Tue May 17, 2022 10:51 pm

Dalek wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Wish we went for Ingram when his stock was low.


Not quite on Ingram's level, but the guy I would love to buy low on is De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks. He had a wrist injury for part of the year and it slowed him down, but he still had the following numbers:

6'8" wing
47.4% inside the arc
37.9% from three
47.8% from the left corner-three

He is also an elite defender. He just needs to keep working on his shot creation skills but to me he has the lanky body-type that will figure it out.

Against Miami in the Round 1 he averaged 21 and 4 which is Middleton like numbers.

I'd personally trade Trent Jr for Hunter which creates a bit more flexibility if we decide on moving on from Pascal at some point in the near future. Trent with Young just makes sense to me. That would be a high scoring backcourt. Hunter would eliminate any weakspots on the Raptors and I love the upside with him.


I'm low on Hunter but I'd do that trade for GTJ only.

I don't think he's as good as a defender as his reputation makes him out to be.
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Post#1324 » by Bruin » Tue May 17, 2022 10:57 pm

Rodrickle wrote:
Dalek wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Wish we went for Ingram when his stock was low.


Not quite on Ingram's level, but the guy I would love to buy low on is De'Andre Hunter from the Hawks. He had a wrist injury for part of the year and it slowed him down, but he still had the following numbers:

6'8" wing
47.4% inside the arc
37.9% from three
47.8% from the left corner-three

He is also an elite defender. He just needs to keep working on his shot creation skills but to me he has the lanky body-type that will figure it out.

Against Miami in the Round 1 he averaged 21 and 4 which is Middleton like numbers.

I'd personally trade Trent Jr for Hunter which creates a bit more flexibility if we decide on moving on from Pascal at some point in the near future. Trent with Young just makes sense to me. That would be a high scoring backcourt. Hunter would eliminate any weakspots on the Raptors and I love the upside with him.
Doubt the Hawks will trade Hunter when they need more defense

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Wonder if they’re gonna pay him. His rookie contract is nearly ending and he probably is gonna want like 20m a year
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Post#1325 » by M3tro » Tue May 17, 2022 11:45 pm

So Boston vs GS in the finals?
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Post#1326 » by Brinbe » Wed May 18, 2022 12:37 am

Magic winning the draft and taking another big clears the way for Bamba, right? Let's get it.
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Post#1327 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Wed May 18, 2022 1:01 am

Brinbe wrote:Magic winning the draft and taking another big clears the way for Bamba, right? Let's get it.


hopefully.

lets hope they don't screw up. thats a lot of pressure considering its not a clear cut top pick (although it is a clear top 3)
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1328 » by Gavin_TDThree » Wed May 18, 2022 1:09 am

I have a feeling that the kings pick (4th) and the trailblazers pick (7th) will be available. Both teams seem interested in winning. Does OG get you the 4th pick? Ivey, Davis, or Sharpe would look nice on this team
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Post#1329 » by C-R-E-A-M- » Wed May 18, 2022 1:31 am

Holmes + 4th Pick (Sharpe) for FVV
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Post#1330 » by gha4life » Wed May 18, 2022 1:34 am

Sacs 4th pick is the most achievable considering they are looking to win now , I will get on the phone asap with them considering what they gave up Halliburton for

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Post#1331 » by LBJKB24MJ23 » Wed May 18, 2022 1:45 am

Gavin_TDThree wrote:I have a feeling that the kings pick (4th) and the trailblazers pick (7th) will be available. Both teams seem interested in winning. Does OG get you the 4th pick? Ivey, Davis, or Sharpe would look nice on this team


i think OG and future first.
raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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Post#1332 » by agkagk » Wed May 18, 2022 1:58 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Gavin_TDThree wrote:I have a feeling that the kings pick (4th) and the trailblazers pick (7th) will be available. Both teams seem interested in winning. Does OG get you the 4th pick? Ivey, Davis, or Sharpe would look nice on this team


i think OG and future first.



Ugh

Og and the 33rd for the 4th or 6th in a “meh” draft sounds reasonable.

Wanna puke just thinking about it.
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Post#1333 » by mtcan » Wed May 18, 2022 2:14 am

Fred VanVleet to Portland for #7? Then draft AJ Griffin? lol

Although...Fred to Washington for #10 makes sense. The Wizards need a point guard to play with Beal and Porzingis.
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Post#1334 » by grant101 » Wed May 18, 2022 2:20 am

agkagk wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Gavin_TDThree wrote:I have a feeling that the kings pick (4th) and the trailblazers pick (7th) will be available. Both teams seem interested in winning. Does OG get you the 4th pick? Ivey, Davis, or Sharpe would look nice on this team


i think OG and future first.



Ugh

Og and the 33rd for the 4th or 6th sounds reasonable.

Wanna puke just thinking about it.


Same! There just aren't many players that do what OG can do, but if they think Ivey or Sharpe can be star primary creators ... you gotta do it I think
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Post#1335 » by agkagk » Wed May 18, 2022 2:38 am

grant101 wrote:
agkagk wrote:
LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
i think OG and future first.



Ugh

Og and the 33rd for the 4th or 6th sounds reasonable.

Wanna puke just thinking about it.


Same! There just aren't many players that do what OG can do, but if they think Ivey or Sharpe can be star primary creators ... you gotta do it I think


Hate to admit it, but yeah.

And on the other side of the coin; if you’re Sacramento, there probably isn’t a better fit for them then og. He can round out a lot of their warts.

Gross.
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Post#1336 » by Jadoogar » Wed May 18, 2022 3:08 am

Bamba or WCJ should be available this summer. Could solve our center problems

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Post#1337 » by DelAbbot » Wed May 18, 2022 3:15 am

This board suffers from recency bias and endowment bias in the worst way. OG had a down year and people trying to ship him off. Siakam back to playing great and people value him like crazy. This is typical sell low, and hold high behaviour.

Adjusted for contract, OG and Siakam are not that different in impact to our team's winning.
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Post#1338 » by grant101 » Wed May 18, 2022 3:25 am

DelAbbot wrote:This board suffers from recency bias and endowment bias in the worst way. OG had a down year and people trying to ship him off. Siakam back to playing great and people value him like crazy. This is typical sell low, and hold high behaviour.

Adjusted for contract, OG and Siakam are not that different in impact to our team's winning.


I don't think they should be trying to trade OG. He's awesome and would start on pretty much any team in the league and is on a great contract. I just think it's worthwhile to try to find a potential star primary creator - perhaps the hardest kind of player to land. I think Ivey has a chance, and OG might be the cost. The fact that the Kings would have to include Barnes would make the bitter pill a little easier to swallow.
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Post#1339 » by Bruin » Wed May 18, 2022 3:31 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:
Gavin_TDThree wrote:I have a feeling that the kings pick (4th) and the trailblazers pick (7th) will be available. Both teams seem interested in winning. Does OG get you the 4th pick? Ivey, Davis, or Sharpe would look nice on this team


i think OG and future first.

Considering this draft isn’t considered to be all that great, I think OG alone is enough for 7. I’d actually be hesitant to even do OG for it but would do it if it gets us Shaedon.

Doubt Portland can get a better return than a guy like OG. They’d be lucky if they manage to develop the 7th pick into a guy as good as OG
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Post#1340 » by DelAbbot » Wed May 18, 2022 3:36 am

grant101 wrote:
DelAbbot wrote:This board suffers from recency bias and endowment bias in the worst way. OG had a down year and people trying to ship him off. Siakam back to playing great and people value him like crazy. This is typical sell low, and hold high behaviour.

Adjusted for contract, OG and Siakam are not that different in impact to our team's winning.


I don't think they should be trying to trade OG. He's awesome and would start on pretty much any team in the league and is on a great contract. I just think it's worthwhile to try to find a potential star primary creator - perhaps the hardest kind of player to land. I think Ivey has a chance, and OG might be the cost. The fact that the Kings would have to include Barnes would make the bitter pill a little easier to swallow.


How about we ship out both FVV and GTJ instead of one OG

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