Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[saloonyk8]

Would do Capela + either Huerter or Bogi (+ maybe the Charlotte pick if needed).
Ayton and OO seem playable together in spurts which opens up minutes for OO and gives some flexibility at the backup 4 where not being able to play OO with CC really exposed us when Collins/Gallo were injured or if we had foul trouble. OO developing a passable J will only add to that.

There are some things that I don't understand at all on some posts above, including yours, and the main thing is:
how can we want to trade Capela+Bogi+pick for Ayton?

Don't you remember that one of the best game of the season, with two teams fighting with energy to get the win, was ATL Vs PHX?
And that ATL won the game?

And now, we would trade 2 of our best players and a pick for one of this team?
Even if younger, I don't see how Ayton would make this team better if it cost Capela+Bogi+pick

Not to say that I won't move Bogi, especially as a filler, so anybody that isn't a top player.
If this team want to contend, they need someone like Bogi, who isn't afraid and did a lot of good 4th quarter. He's basically our Ginobili, being way better than a lot of other guys with the same kind of contract

Just think also that if Trae didn't walk on a ref foot last year, ATL may have reach the NBA Finals and might have beaten PHX
Capela+Huerter or Capela+pick is more than enough, and if it's just about making an better offer than other teams, then don't do any offer, we don't have to be in the middle of a bidding war for a RFA, we know that it always requires overpaying to getting them.

The Bogi singing was good, because SAC doesn't wanted to pay a lot, and we got him at a fair contract, but going after Ayton with 2 stater caliber players and a pick looks just insane IMO

My only major contention is that I think you are overrating our players. capella can't shoot 3s and can't D up on the perimeter (like "modern" bigs), he also generated no offense on his own... And he's not a top 10 defensive center. Is he even a top 50 NBA player? It's conceivable he would be benched in 4th quarter of playoff games due to matchups.

Bogi is good offensive player but he's not ideal running mate next to defensively challenged Trae...and he's hurt a lot. Is he a top 50 player?

I can tell you Ayton is easily a top 30 player and has the potential to be a lot higher...he has the tools to be like Jaren Jackson, so I'm pretty high on Ayton

[saloonyk8]

What you'll think about this deal framework?

Atlanta gets
Jerami Grant, Malcolm Brogdon

Detroit gets
John Collins

Indiana gets
Gallinari
Cory Joseph
FRP

[Jamaaliver]

Be more specific.

Who is providing the first round pick?
From what year?
Is it protected?

What you'll think about this deal framework?

Atlanta gets
Jerami Grant, Malcolm Brogdon

Detroit gets
John Collins

Indiana gets
Gallinari
Cory Joseph
FRP

[saloonyk8]

Be more specific.

Who is providing the first round pick?
From what year?
Is it protected?

What you'll think about this deal framework?

Atlanta gets
Jerami Grant, Malcolm Brogdon

Detroit gets
John Collins

Indiana gets
Gallinari
Cory Joseph
FRP

Let's say it's the hornets FRP protected from us or this year's FRP from us...I don't think Detroit will be giving up picks

[tbhawksfan1]

I would trade this year's pick or Char pick too. This team is young enough for a while. Got to develop the guys we have now. Jalen needs to be a priority. I think that Nate really wasted a season in a lot of respects. Terrible record and over-all performance. Very little deveopment or progress from young players. Players seeming to have a regression season.

What I don't want to see is a desperation trade. The only trade I want is a trade where we can say that we got a good deal.

I would offer Cap, this year's first and Charlotte pick to get in on Ayton. I would also be ok with Brogdon on a good deal, but we would have to trade matching salary which means giving up talent to get him.

I think that it's going to be a difficult offseason for Travis

[Jamaaliver]

What you'll think about this deal framework?

Atlanta gets
Jerami Grant, Malcolm Brogdon

Detroit gets
John Collins

Indiana gets
Gallinari
Cory Joseph
FRP -- Let's say it's the hornets FRP protected from us or this year's FRP from us...

This is a good trade. It makes us more competitive, fills in roster holes and appeals to all teams.

I would hesitate a bit because it doesn't move us into contender territory. We're not getting All Stars or All NBA players. We'd likely jump into the top-6 next season. Maybe win a playoff series in the process. But we're still lacking elite talent even with the additions of Grant and Brogdon.

I might aim a little higher for Collins and that Gallinari contract.

But, again, this is a good trade.

Capela,
Grant
Bogdanovic
Brogdon
Trae

is a really good starting five.

Hunter, Huerter, Okongwu, C Joseph off the bench is a great set of backups.



Is that enough to get us past Boston, Miami or Milwaukee?

[jayu70]

What you'll think about this deal framework?

Atlanta gets
Jerami Grant, Malcolm Brogdon

Detroit gets
John Collins

Indiana gets
Gallinari
Cory Joseph
FRP -- Let's say it's the hornets FRP protected from us or this year's FRP from us...

This is a good trade. It makes us more competitive, fills in roster holes and appeals to all teams.

I would hesitate a bit because it doesn't move us into contender territory. We're not getting All Stars or All NBA players. We'd likely jump into the top-6 next season. Maybe win a playoff series in the process. But we're still lacking elite talent even with the additions of Grant and Brogdon.

I might aim a little higher for Collins and that Gallinari contract.

But, again, this is a good trade.

Capela,
Grant
Bogdanovic
Brogdon
Trae

is a really good starting five.

Hunter, Huerter, Okongwu, C Joseph off the bench is a great set of backups.



Is that enough to get us past Boston, Miami or Milwaukee?

A few things:
1. makes us a small team
2. Bogi's knee is a concern, he won't hold up all season long as a full time SF (he played SG last season with Huerter playing and guarding SFs),
3. Brogdon's injury concerns looms large
4. Grant - he's on an expiring and looking for a pay day - How much should we pay to retain him and/or should we? Who is going to rebound the ball besides Capela, Grant is a 4 rpg guy, and I think he'll go back to the 12 ppg he was in DEN and OKC, not the 20ppg green light scorer we are seeing in Detroit.

[saloonyk8]

I was trying to make a trade to make us more defensively versatile. I think we would start Capella, Grant, Hunter, Brogdon, and Trae.... That way we get some versatile defenders in Grant/Hunter/Brogdon... obviously we need Hunter to be more consistent.

The other thing is we still keep future picks and still have OO, Hunter who could be centerpiece if future star XYZ trades. I also wanted to open up minutes for OO and JJ. I'm actually hoping there's an opportunity to move Capella in the next year so we can just hand it over to OO

[muzzhawk]

Would do Capela + either Huerter or Bogi (+ maybe the Charlotte pick if needed).
Ayton and OO seem playable together in spurts which opens up minutes for OO and gives some flexibility at the backup 4 where not being able to play OO with CC really exposed us when Collins/Gallo were injured or if we had foul trouble. OO developing a passable J will only add to that.

There are some things that I don't understand at all on some posts above, including yours, and the main thing is:
how can we want to trade Capela+Bogi+pick for Ayton?

Don't you remember that one of the best game of the season, with two teams fighting with energy to get the win, was ATL Vs PHX?
And that ATL won the game?

And now, we would trade 2 of our best players and a pick for one of this team?
Even if younger, I don't see how Ayton would make this team better if it cost Capela+Bogi+pick

Not to say that I won't move Bogi, especially as a filler, so anybody that isn't a top player.
If this team want to contend, they need someone like Bogi, who isn't afraid and did a lot of good 4th quarter. He's basically our Ginobili, being way better than a lot of other guys with the same kind of contract

Just think also that if Trae didn't walk on a ref foot last year, ATL may have reach the NBA Finals and might have beaten PHX
Capela+Huerter or Capela+pick is more than enough, and if it's just about making an better offer than other teams, then don't do any offer, we don't have to be in the middle of a bidding war for a RFA, we know that it always requires overpaying to getting them.

The Bogi singing was good, because SAC doesn't wanted to pay a lot, and we got him at a fair contract, but going after Ayton with 2 stater caliber players and a pick looks just insane IMO

I'm not really sure of the relevance of a 1 game sample against Phoenix when we had everything to play for and they had nothing to play for.

Capela's offensive limitations are a problem for this team (eg inability to shoot outside of 3ft, shoot FTs or be comfortable with the ball outside of the paint).
Firstly, he is extremely dependent on Trae and the PnR to be any threat. Miami has shown that you can take that away from Trae, which effectively takes two players out of the game. In order for Trae to become an effective off-ball player, he needs teammates who can draw the defense.
He also creates inflexibility in the rotation as OO can't play any minutes at the 4 while Capela is on the court - resulting in more minutes for Hunter & TLC at the 4. The domino effect is that we really struggle to deal with any foul trouble to Collins or Hunter.
We're a better team with Capela than without him, but he's not a good enough defender to make up for this. I feel like there's a ceiling on this team with him and I'd prefer to stick with Okongwu as he's younger, cheaper and Capela has more trade value.

OTOH, Ayton does everything Capela does with a lot more offensive versatility. He's a capable passer, has a decent jumpshot meaning you have to respect him out to the perimeter and you can't foul him off the floor. He's got fluid enough footwork to run sets for him through the post.

Adding a pick is circumstantial, in context of other roster moves available to get a perimeter scorer. I'd prefer to move Huerter over Bogi for the reasons you've stated above.

[D21]

It wouldn't be a bad trade, but I would keep Grant in the overrated players category

[Jamaaliver]

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[saloonyk8]

Any interest in trading into the top-5 of the draft?

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I don't know how good Ivey is but I really wanted hawks to trade to get Halliburton in the draft couple years ago

[Jamaaliver]

This is the more likely trade partner for us. POR either wants to trade Lillard or trade to get help for Lillard.

#7 pick is likely in play either way.

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[tbhawksfan1]

What you'll think about this deal framework?

Atlanta gets
Jerami Grant, Malcolm Brogdon

Detroit gets
John Collins

Indiana gets
Gallinari
Cory Joseph
FRP -- Let's say it's the hornets FRP protected from us or this year's FRP from us...

This is a good trade. It makes us more competitive, fills in roster holes and appeals to all teams.

I would hesitate a bit because it doesn't move us into contender territory. We're not getting All Stars or All NBA players. We'd likely jump into the top-6 next season. Maybe win a playoff series in the process. But we're still lacking elite talent even with the additions of Grant and Brogdon.

I might aim a little higher for Collins and that Gallinari contract.

But, again, this is a good trade.

Capela,
Grant
Bogdanovic
Brogdon
Trae

is a really good starting five.

Hunter, Huerter, Okongwu, C Joseph off the bench is a great set of backups.



Is that enough to get us past Boston, Miami or Milwaukee?

The And one was an accident Jamaal. Just to be clear. The trade is fine. JC and Gallo for Grant Brogdan sure maybe. But there is no way that both Bogs are starting in front of Hunter

[tbhawksfan1]

If Hunter can stay healthy and Nate can coach a modern NBA team that exploits the talent on the team, Hunter could easily become a #2

[tbhawksfan1]

We're about to lose Gallo anyway, so the deal is JC and Gallo's money for Brogden and Grant. If money isn't a factor, I see this as a positive trade.

It's not a homerun, but any trade that improves the team is a good trade

[D21]

If Hunter can stay healthy and Nate can coach a modern NBA team that exploits the talent on the team, Hunter could easily become a #2

That's right, but the problem now looks more like "if Hunter is ready to bring energy on both ends" more than staying healthy, because after the first one, the management was not good and brought him back at least two times sooner than they should have, and I'm afraid his lack of energy came from that, not wanting to be injured again.
If they took their time, he certainly wouldn't have played some games in the end of regular season last year, and maybe not in the playoffs at all.
At the start of this last season, he should came back later too.

So we don't know if he's injury prone, or he would have got one injury, came back when really healthy and stay healthy after that.
He certainly prefer to play with less energy, not be as good as he can, and loose a bit on his future contract for that, than playing at 100% of his potential, risking another injury, and loosing a lot more.

I didn't like how management acted for several players regarding injuries, and especially for Hunter.

[saloonyk8]

If Hunter can stay healthy and Nate can coach a modern NBA team that exploits the talent on the team, Hunter could easily become a #2

This reminds me of the time I used to think Cam was going to be an MVP eventually lol

[muzzhawk]

If Hunter can stay healthy and Nate can coach a modern NBA team that exploits the talent on the team, Hunter could easily become a #2

This reminds me of the time I used to think Cam was going to be an MVP eventually lol

Haha. I see what you mean but Reddish as he was a really tantalising prospect. But he never looked interested in playing in a way that you could trust him.

Hunter has all the building blocks of a good isolation scorer. He needs to tighten up his handles to help him take advantage of those attributes more, and probably develop a really strong turnaround fade/jumper that most of the elite wing scorers have as a bailout. It's not unreasonable to think he could develop into a Middleton, Ingram, early DeRozan, Rudy Gay type scorer scoring 18-20ppg.

I definitely would not be trading him unless it was part of a package for a genuine star and I would not be sending him to the bench. If anything, I'd be increasing his usage and letting him grow through his mistakes. Of all players on the roster his development has the most influence on our ability to contend.

[saloonyk8]

If Hunter can stay healthy and Nate can coach a modern NBA team that exploits the talent on the team, Hunter could easily become a #2

This reminds me of the time I used to think Cam was going to be an MVP eventually lol

Haha. I see what you mean but Reddish as he was a really tantalising prospect. But he never looked interested in playing in a way that you could trust him.

Hunter has all the building blocks of a good isolation scorer. He needs to tighten up his handles to help him take advantage of those attributes more, and probably develop a really strong turnaround fade/jumper that most of the elite wing scorers have as a bailout. It's not unreasonable to think he could develop into a Middleton, Ingram, early DeRozan, Rudy Gay type scorer scoring 18-20ppg.

I definitely would not be trading him unless it was part of a package for a genuine star and I would not be sending him to the bench. If anything, I'd be increasing his usage and letting him grow through his mistakes. Of all players on the roster his development has the most influence on our ability to contend.

I agree with that. I think his ceiling is similar to Rudy Gay. The other player I think could still breakout is OO. Otherwise there's not much on the roster that says possible future All Star.

The trades I have proposed generally are trying to keep Hunter and OO.