2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5061 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed May 18, 2022 2:01 am

BIGJ1ER wrote:The Celtics already having 42 paint points says alot about the different caliber of rim protection between Miami and Milwaukee (along with defensive schemes tbf).

If they're going to able to attack the paint that relentlessly, then things are going to be tough for Miami.

Not sure why the Heat aren't playing Robinson, he's not amazing defensively but they need help offensively, and he was playable against Boston a few years ago.

Also Herro seemingly matching up well against Boston (if the trend from the 2020 series continues) is interesting, on paper you'd think Boston would do a really good job against him.


I was shocked in the GB thread about Milwaukee people were talking about the Bucks defense struggling. It goes to show for a lot of fans the issue is always money spent on defense is wasted and better on offense.

Milwaukee RS DRTG: 111.8
Boston RS ORTG: 114.4
Boston Expected ORTG: 113.1


Boston ORTG vs Milwaukee: 109.8
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Post#5062 » by BIGJ1ER » Wed May 18, 2022 2:08 am

Boston also placing Jaylen Brown one pass away from Tatum has really been effective at countering Miami's aggresive defence.

Miami posted 105 a Ortg in the half court in the first half which surprised me somewhat.

I'm not sure what Rob's Shot contest stats are, but my lord visually he just seems to fly at shooters and bounce like a pogo stick against floaters and layups near the rim, seems so intimidating to shoot over. Such an interesting player.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5063 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 18, 2022 2:10 am

eminence wrote:I don't love the initial idea of a mid-season tournament, but I'd need a lot more details to say much.


I think culturally, it might take a while.

It's seeped into the culture for soccer in Europe, and it's not limited to just the premier league of the country. The lower leagues also compete in it.

There's medium-based incentives too for those cups, but I don't know how the NBA will handle that.
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Post#5064 » by The-Power » Wed May 18, 2022 2:12 am

GSP wrote:Prolly should be some talk about Frank.

Yes, please. I love Ntilikina. I overrated him around draft time because I thought his offense was further along / had more upside. But the way he carries himself – plays with effort, no drama, humble – makes me root for him hard even as a role player. It feels like every year I made a comment about how I hope the Warriors can get him for cheap. I'd be beyond excited for him if he finds a consistent role with the Mavs going forward (or, if not, I hope Bob Myers is attentive to the situation).
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Post#5065 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 18, 2022 2:17 am

Heat came to play in the 3rd quarter.

Butler is quietly again having another superb game.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5066 » by MartinToVaught » Wed May 18, 2022 2:19 am

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I can tell from your posts you have a problems with the current NBA but you also don't like Silver's solutions. Do you have any solutions to offer?


I love a mid-season tournament with real incentives. It really helps break a season into two parts [All-star game too late].


The incentives have to be things fans care about. The problem with the regular season is a significant subset of fans only care about championships so they need to create a tournament with an outcome fans care about.

Problem is, I don't see what incentives they could possibly come up with to make fans care about this tournament other than having it affect seeding/HCA in the real playoffs. And everyone (rightfully) hated it when the MLB tried something like that with the All-Star Game. And it would further decrease the meaning of the regular season, which is the exact problem this is supposed to be solving.
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Post#5067 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed May 18, 2022 2:20 am

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eminence wrote:I don't love the initial idea of a mid-season tournament, but I'd need a lot more details to say much.


I think culturally, it might take a while.

It's seeped into the culture for soccer in Europe, and it's not limited to just the premier league of the country. The lower leagues also compete in it.

There's medium-based incentives too for those cups, but I don't know how the NBA will handle that.


Paul Krugman, a Jewish economist which is relevant later in my post, wrote an article years about his thought process. One item in it that has always stayed with me was titled "listen to the Gentiles." Basically he makes a point of trying to listen to people whose customs differs from himself.

I don't know if Silver's idea will work but he consistently shows an ability to consider policies from different leagues in different countries. That speaks very positively of him.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5068 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed May 18, 2022 2:20 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:
eminence wrote:I don't love the initial idea of a mid-season tournament, but I'd need a lot more details to say much.


I think culturally, it might take a while.

It's seeped into the culture for soccer in Europe, and it's not limited to just the premier league of the country. The lower leagues also compete in it.

There's medium-based incentives too for those cups, but I don't know how the NBA will handle that.


People just hate it because it's different. If the Play-In tournament existed for 30 years people would be jerking off in anticipation for it
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Post#5069 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 18, 2022 2:22 am

Butler has taken over in the 3rd quarter.
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Post#5070 » by BIGJ1ER » Wed May 18, 2022 2:25 am

Miami's defence has tightened up.

Butler overplaying the passing lane on that Tatum to brown one pass away play b2b shows a third quarter counter Spo has seemingly made to adjust for Boston's offensive positioning there.
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Post#5071 » by Peregrine01 » Wed May 18, 2022 2:39 am

Tatum has played the complete opposite of what he did in the first half.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5072 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 18, 2022 2:41 am

Butler 31-7-3 with 5 steals. 13 shots to score that 31 and +23.

He's a frigging amazing player man.
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Post#5073 » by Colbinii » Wed May 18, 2022 2:43 am

BIGJ1ER wrote:Miami's defence has tightened up.

Butler overplaying the passing lane on that Tatum to brown one pass away play b2b shows a third quarter counter Spo has seemingly made to adjust for Boston's offensive positioning there.


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Post#5074 » by Colbinii » Wed May 18, 2022 2:44 am

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GSP wrote:Prolly should be some talk about Frank.

Yes, please. I love Ntilikina. I overrated him around draft time because I thought his offense was further along / had more upside. But the way he carries himself – plays with effort, no drama, humble – makes me root for him hard even as a role player. It feels like every year I made a comment about how I hope the Warriors can get him for cheap. I'd be beyond excited for him if he finds a consistent role with the Mavs going forward (or, if not, I hope Bob Myers is attentive to the situation).


I dont understand why he can't play a Bruce Brown Role.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5075 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed May 18, 2022 2:48 am

Colbinii wrote:
BIGJ1ER wrote:Miami's defence has tightened up.

Butler overplaying the passing lane on that Tatum to brown one pass away play b2b shows a third quarter counter Spo has seemingly made to adjust for Boston's offensive positioning there.


One of the best coaches ever and little weaknesses as a coach.



Season long view
1. He's showed he can coach teams loaded with super elite players.
2. He's showed he can coach teams that are going through rebuilds and keeping them treading water

Small Picture view
1. He's great at in-game adjustments
2. He's great at game to game adjustments
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5076 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed May 18, 2022 2:48 am

Boston doesn't have the versatility to deal with Miami missing two starters. Hope Smart and Horford can make it for game 2.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5077 » by Colbinii » Wed May 18, 2022 2:51 am

sp6r=underrated wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
BIGJ1ER wrote:Miami's defence has tightened up.

Butler overplaying the passing lane on that Tatum to brown one pass away play b2b shows a third quarter counter Spo has seemingly made to adjust for Boston's offensive positioning there.


One of the best coaches ever and little weaknesses as a coach.



Season long view
1. He's showed he can coach teams loaded with super elite players.
2. He's showed he can coach teams that are going through rebuilds and keeping them treading water

Small Picture view
1. He's great at in-game adjustments
2. He's great at game to game adjustments


Yup--Heat lead the playoffs in +/- in 3rd quarter for a reason.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5078 » by BIGJ1ER » Wed May 18, 2022 2:53 am

Al Horford is going to be super valuable to breaking the Zone that Miami used in the third quarter, I think he has an argument as Boston's second best player (Think Brown is overrated in general though) so his loss can't be understated.

Luckily for Boston, the 2 games he's projected to miss are the away games, so all isn't lost, and if they can steal one without him they're looking very good.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5079 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed May 18, 2022 2:56 am

BIGJ1ER wrote:Al Horford is going to be super valuable to breaking the Zone that Miami used in the third quarter, I think he has an argument as Boston's second best player (Think Brown is overrated in general though) so his loss can't be understated.

Luckily for Boston, the 2 games he's projected to miss are the away games, so all isn't lost, and if they can steal one without him they're looking very good.


Winning 4 quarters sounds like a tall task against Miami. What's Smart's time table?
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5080 » by jalengreen » Wed May 18, 2022 2:58 am

this game is far from over

really dumb fouls from the heat spoonfeeding the celtics points

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