2022 NBA Draft Part II

[SelfishPlayer]

Ivey has huge bust potential. I really don't see him as top 5

I understand your position. I called Kris Dunn and Markelle Fultz being busts during their last season in college. Ivey has the speed and pedigree to absolutely not be a bust. He is Russell Westbrook all over again and perhaps better. He can certainly be worse than a prime Westbrook, but that isn't a bust, Victor Oladipo, De'Aron Fox, etc aren't busts. It's too difficult for a perimeter player as fast as Ivey with his skills and aggression to be a bust.

Westbrook has the GOAT motor and he picked up passing skills while having a dream franchise setup for him to bloom.

Projecting Ivey to have that is just too much of a reach. I agree that he is Westbrook like, certainly more so than Oladipo and Fox. But what is less motor Russ with worse passing skills in the modern NBA? I have too much fear on Ivey to take him top 4 even. If I'm gambling at 4 then I'm taking Sharpe.

Why are his passing skills worse? Westbrook isn't a very skilled passer for a point guard. He accumulated assists by dominating the basketball. Put the ball in Ivey's hands for the entire game and his assist numbers increase like how Haliburton's assist numbers increased whenever he played PG for the Kings. Ben Simmons is for some reason considered a great passer but only averages 7.7 apg over his career. Ivey didn't play full time PG in college just like Westbrook.

[SelfishPlayer]

Jabari is a less talented JJJ because he is smaller and has displayed less versatility to play big to go along with his perimeter game.

[zimpy27]

I understand your position. I called Kris Dunn and Markelle Fultz being busts during their last season in college. Ivey has the speed and pedigree to absolutely not be a bust. He is Russell Westbrook all over again and perhaps better. He can certainly be worse than a prime Westbrook, but that isn't a bust, Victor Oladipo, De'Aron Fox, etc aren't busts. It's too difficult for a perimeter player as fast as Ivey with his skills and aggression to be a bust.

Westbrook has the GOAT motor and he picked up passing skills while having a dream franchise setup for him to bloom.

Projecting Ivey to have that is just too much of a reach. I agree that he is Westbrook like, certainly more so than Oladipo and Fox. But what is less motor Russ with worse passing skills in the modern NBA? I have too much fear on Ivey to take him top 4 even. If I'm gambling at 4 then I'm taking Sharpe.

Why are his passing skills worse? Westbrook isn't a very skilled passer for a point guard. He accumulated assists by dominating the basketball. Put the ball in Ivey's hands for the entire game and his assist numbers increase like how Haliburton's assist numbers increased whenever he played PG for the Kings. Ben Simmons is for some reason considered a great passer but only averages 7.7 apg over his career. Ivey didn't play full time PG in college just like Westbrook.

Ivey was the PG for Purdue this year though. Averaged 4 assist per 40 minutes.
Who do you think was the better PG?

Westbrook had Collison on his team as PG in college and still managed 5 assists per 40.

I think for context it's quite different. Westbrook definitely has better passing skills than Ivey

[SelfishPlayer]

Westbrook has the GOAT motor and he picked up passing skills while having a dream franchise setup for him to bloom.

Projecting Ivey to have that is just too much of a reach. I agree that he is Westbrook like, certainly more so than Oladipo and Fox. But what is less motor Russ with worse passing skills in the modern NBA? I have too much fear on Ivey to take him top 4 even. If I'm gambling at 4 then I'm taking Sharpe.

Why are his passing skills worse? Westbrook isn't a very skilled passer for a point guard. He accumulated assists by dominating the basketball. Put the ball in Ivey's hands for the entire game and his assist numbers increase like how Haliburton's assist numbers increased whenever he played PG for the Kings. Ben Simmons is for some reason considered a great passer but only averages 7.7 apg over his career. Ivey didn't play full time PG in college just like Westbrook.

Ivey was the PG for Purdue this year though. Averaged 4 assist per 40 minutes.
Who do you think was the better PG?

Westbrook had Collison on his team as PG in college and still managed 5 assists per 40.

I think for context it's quite different. Westbrook definitely has better passing skills than Ivey

Who played off guard with him?

[The Moose]

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[zimpy27]

Why are his passing skills worse? Westbrook isn't a very skilled passer for a point guard. He accumulated assists by dominating the basketball. Put the ball in Ivey's hands for the entire game and his assist numbers increase like how Haliburton's assist numbers increased whenever he played PG for the Kings. Ben Simmons is for some reason considered a great passer but only averages 7.7 apg over his career. Ivey didn't play full time PG in college just like Westbrook.

Ivey was the PG for Purdue this year though. Averaged 4 assist per 40 minutes.
Who do you think was the better PG?

Westbrook had Collison on his team as PG in college and still managed 5 assists per 40.

I think for context it's quite different. Westbrook definitely has better passing skills than Ivey

Who played off guard with him?

Sasha and Hunter

[SelfishPlayer]

Ivey was the PG for Purdue this year though. Averaged 4 assist per 40 minutes.
Who do you think was the better PG?

Westbrook had Collison on his team as PG in college and still managed 5 assists per 40.

I think for context it's quite different. Westbrook definitely has better passing skills than Ivey

Who played off guard with him?

Sasha and Hunter

Eric Hunter is an off guard?

[BoyzNTheHood]

My quick mock off the order is this:

Pelicans - Griffin :: Pels go for another 3+D guy

3+D without the D

[zimpy27]

Who played off guard with him?

Sasha and Hunter

Eric Hunter is an off guard?

When not on floor with Ivey he was on ball. When on floor with Ivey they shared it but Ivey was the predominant user

[SelfishPlayer]

Sasha and Hunter

Eric Hunter is an off guard?

When not on floor with Ivey he was on ball. When on floor with Ivey they shared it but Ivey was the predominant user

User doesn't denote point guard responsibilities.

[NO-KG-AI]

I'm not sure how much he's had age related shrinking, but Chet was pretty firmly taller than David Robinson, who was pretty easily taller than Smith and Banchero. I think Chet gets called 7', but he's actually a real 7', and he's going to tower over all these 6'10 guys in the league they call 7 footers.

Makes the picture where Victor Wembanyama dwarfs him even more jarring.

[God Squad]

I'm not sure how much he's had age related shrinking, but Chet was pretty firmly taller than David Robinson, who was pretty easily taller than Smith and Banchero. I think Chet gets called 7', but he's actually a real 7', and he's going to tower over all these 6'10 guys in the league they call 7 footers.

Makes the picture where Victor Wembanyama dwarfs him even more jarring.

I still think they're too tall/frail, and over 82 games I'd be worried about both.

[NO-KG-AI]

I'm not sure how much he's had age related shrinking, but Chet was pretty firmly taller than David Robinson, who was pretty easily taller than Smith and Banchero. I think Chet gets called 7', but he's actually a real 7', and he's going to tower over all these 6'10 guys in the league they call 7 footers.

Makes the picture where Victor Wembanyama dwarfs him even more jarring.

I still think they're too tall/frail, and over 82 games I'd be worried about both.

They definitely need to add weight. Weight is one of the things I'd be least worried about with any prospect though. Chet would be the skinniest person alive if Poku didn't exist though, it's a legit concern on whether he can ever gain a ton of weight.

[babyjax13]

Jabari is a less talented JJJ because he is smaller and has displayed less versatility to play big to go along with his perimeter game.

I feel like in high school he was more of a post player. I know it's harder to project from that, but I think there is more there than what we saw at Auburn.

[SelfishPlayer]

Jabari is a less talented JJJ because he is smaller and has displayed less versatility to play big to go along with his perimeter game.

I feel like in high school he was more of a post player. I know it's harder to project from that, but I think there is more there than what we saw at Auburn.

Perhaps, but JJJ has more weight and length to go along with greater shot blocking. Jabari's unimpressive shot blocking could simply be a result of having Kessler at the 5.

[CptCrunch]

The 'MSM' part of NBA loves Jabari Smith Jr. this year. They can echo the same talking points over and over while brushing aside any of his flaws as inconsequential. It's actually asinine at this point.

[Magicman125]

Jabari is a less talented JJJ because he is smaller and has displayed less versatility to play big to go along with his perimeter game.

Jabari Smith Jr does project to be a much better shooter than JJJ, which seems to be his most coveted skill. I do agree with you that Jabari seems more likely to be comfortable as a perimeter defender rather than an interior one at this point though.

[thelead]

Jabari is a less talented JJJ because he is smaller and has displayed less versatility to play big to go along with his perimeter game.

Jabari Smith Jr does project to be a much better shooter than JJJ, which seems to be his most coveted skill. I do agree with you that Jabari seems more likely to be comfortable as a perimeter defender rather than an interior one at this point though.

With all the switching that goes on in NBA defensive schemes, that is a huge advantage for Jabari IMO. For the Magic to be 'forced' to switch Isaac, Jabari, or Franz onto a guard would be pretty epic on defense... at least, theoretically.

[Magicman125]

I would loveee to see Jabari, and could easily be talked into Chet. Just no Paolo please. I know he's a bucket, but I value defense and the ability to shoot the 3 in who we pick.

[R-DAWG]

Assuming the big guys go picks 1-3 (although I could see Houston going with Jayden Ivey over Pablo), I could see Ivey sliding down to #7. He's obviously not a fit on the Kings roster, and both Detroit and Indiana have point guards/playmakers in Cunningham/Haliburton. Sure, you could make the case that Ivey would fit with each guy, but I don't think it's a slam dunk.

Assuming SAC passes on Ivey, I could see Detroit open for business trading the pick to someone who wants Ivey, allowing them to grab a wing lower in the lottery and add some future assets.