Might be time to let go of our championship delusions?

[Laimbeer]

Maybe we should embrace a goal of becoming a good team that can make the playoffs, even make a little noise? Tanking has gotten so tiresome. Yet we seem to take a superstars/titles or nothing attitude. I'm thinking of teams like the Cavs and before this season, the Pacers. The Bulls, too. They built good teams and turned their back on an all or nothing approach.

The days of building a Bad Boys or Goin' to Work title are gone. You need superstars and they aren't walking through that door. The elite players have so much sway. And the lottery is set up in such a way getting that really high pick can be elusive, even if you're awful. Getting a LeBron or Giannis is like getting struck by lightning.

In all honesty, there isn't a franchise in the NBA in a worse position. You look at youth, talent, ability to attract free agents, proven management - can you think of one?

I personally won't freak out if Weaver moves us toward being a 45-50 win team with moves that make us better yet really reduce the number of lottery balls.

[Manocad]

You think the Pistons are in the worst position in the NBA? Seriously?

[Laimbeer]

You think the Pistons are in the worst position in the NBA? Seriously?

Okay, give me a couple teams. I'm open to it.

[El Chivo]

You think the Pistons are in the worst position in the NBA? Seriously?

Okay, give me a couple teams. I'm open to it.

Sacramento, Washington, New York, Orlando, Charlotte, San Antonio and I'm not finished yet.

[Cowology]

You have lost your damn mind.

[Manocad]

You think the Pistons are in the worst position in the NBA? Seriously?

Okay, give me a couple teams. I'm open to it.

You're apparently open to excessive use of hallucinogens as well.

[JNewton]

Did you sleep through the 2010s decade? The moves the last two seasons have been more promising than anything in the prior ~15 years. With that said, moving down in this year's lottery was certainly disappointing and I honestly wouldn't be opposed to tanking again next year, although I expect enough growth from Cade and this summer's moves alone that it would take something drastic for the Pistons to be a bottom three team next season. However, Troy Weaver (even with the missed Killian pick - and I'm not of the opinion that he can't still be capable in the NBA) has shown to be the best drafting GM the Pistons have had since what, McCloskey?

[Pharaoh]

Maybe we should embrace a goal of becoming a good team that can make the playoffs, even make a little noise? Tanking has gotten so tiresome. Yet we seem to take a superstars/titles or nothing attitude. I'm thinking of teams like the Cavs and before this season, the Pacers. The Bulls, too. They built good teams and turned their back on an all or nothing approach.

The days of building a Bad Boys or Goin' to Work title are gone. You need superstars and they aren't walking through that door. The elite players have so much sway. And the lottery is set up in such a way getting that really high pick can be elusive, even if you're awful. Getting a LeBron or Giannis is like getting struck by lightning.

In all honesty, there isn't a franchise in the NBA in a worse position. You look at youth, talent, ability to attract free agents, proven management - can you think of one?

I personally won't freak out if Weaver moves us toward being a 45-50 win team with moves that make us better yet really reduce the number of lottery balls.

IF the goal is not to win a championship then yeah nah I'm out.

Do I think it's easy? Of course not.

But I'd rather we look at what Boston have done with Tatum & Brown and what Miami has done with Jimmy & Bam and attempt to be that than settle for the late Joe years or the SVG years.

You wanna talk about the FO? Troy Weaver has done nothing to reduce the rep he arrived with - he was/is still the up and coming executive.

Imagine we draft Murray at #5 and he's a Jimmy Butler kinda player. Him + Cade + Bey + Grant can be a very good team real quick.

It ain't over cause of the Lottery drawing.

We're still just getting started

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[bstein14]

Pistons were 100% in the worst, bottom of the league position when Weaver took over 2 seasons ago. Blake's contract combined with no assets that could get us anything. He literally traded everything away and got a couple of 2nd rounders only.

Now they are still near the bottom, but they are certainly not at the very bottom. Sacramento moved up this draft and have an all-star PF in Sabonis, but overall they are more stuck at being a bad team.

I'd take our position right now over Washington, Indiana, Sacramento and Houston.

Orlando we might have been over as well if last night's lottery bounced a different way, but with them getting the #1 pick combined with being a warm state that has no state income tax they likely are in a better spot than us. They also hit on a good player last season with Wagner. New York is only better because they are also New York. They are a destination even if they haven't landed much for FAs.

We need a good growth year from Cade, Bey and Stewart and we jump a few more teams. We need to pick the right guy at #5 and we need to land the right FA with our $$$ and we jump a few more teams. I could easily see us being in a better position than 9 to 10 other teams in this league a year from now if we make the right moves and get the right people.

[Homelander87]

Last night was borderline back breaking, we really needed to secure a top 3 pick and get one of the big 3.

[mattao313]

I don't think where in a terrible spot but I can see them try to build a playoff team not looking at like championship or bust. I can understand why they'd think that way too.

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[theBigLip]

We are on a upward trajectory since Weaver came. Good young core, no **** contracts, cap space, etc.

Just because we didn't get a top 3 pick last night doesn't mean all is gloom. We can still get a GREAT player. Maybe this complicates the Grant trade a bit, but I'm confident we can make something happen.

How about this for a "worse" team than us - Portland. Sure, they have Dame, but the clock is ticking, they don't have a lot of moves to make like we do. Getting stuck in the middle is no fun.

[Snakebites]

I mean, yeah, I felt the gut punch when I saw that Pistons logo when the 5th pick was pulled too.

But yeesh, this is out of control. Championship teams aren't built overnight. And they become playoff teams first. This isn't either/or proposition. I think you always have to have the goal to win a championship-it's only a matter of time table. Doesn't mean you necessarily get there- obviously the majority of teams fall short.

And it's totally possible we get a star at 5. There's quality talent there. Nobody had Scottie Barnes as a clear star at this point in the process- he was on the outside looking in with what appeared to be a clear top 3/4 in the draft. No idea if we'll be the team to find that guy, but we could be.

[tmorgan]

This was a good year to slip. Last year was a good year to get lucky.

I don’t get the pessimism at all.

[NYPiston]

What a ridiculous thread. Stuff like this almost makes me want to delete my account and never post here again.

The Pistons drop from 3 to 5 in a lottery with no surefire franchise player a year after they draft the best player in the draft and a true franchise player and see some nice development from some other young players with plenty of cap space headed into the offseason and a #5 pick and all of a sudden it's doom and gloom with some and all hope is lost?
I get not being happy about 2 lottery spots but jeez, get a grip.

[Invictus88]

Might be time to just sell the Pistons to folks in Seattle and not pay attention to the NBA anymore?

Seriously. If your goal isn't to eventually try and contend for a championship then what are you doing?

Please Please Please Please Please Troy Weaver if you are somehow on these boards just ignore the OP. It's this mentality that has continued to have us toil in treadmill purgatory for decades. They ARE the problem. I cannot and will not ever relate to this line of thinking. Just. No.

[mattao313]

Might be time to just sell the Pistons to folks in Seattle and not pay attention to the NBA anymore?

Seriously. If your goal isn't to eventually try and contend for a championship then what are you doing?

Please Please Please Please Please Troy Weaver if you are somehow on these boards just ignore the OP. It's this mentality that has continued to have us toil in treadmill purgatory for decades. They ARE the problem. I cannot and will not ever relate to this line of thinking. Just. No.

Meh while I want a championship no doubt. It's a difference between fighting for the 8th seed every year and actually having a mid to high seeded team that can actually win a series or 2.

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[buzzkilloton]

Wait did you miss all those years of us trying to be a good team and make the playoffs and not win a title?

This is the aftermath of the Blake Griffin trade of us "trying to be a playoff team and not win a title" which before Blake we did the Jackson/Drummond which again we were a playoff team with no chance at a title.

We have Cade fkn Cunningham and the 5 pick in the draft. This is the most bullish ive been on the pistons since we had Billups. Build through the draft build for a title. As the old saying goes "Rome wasnt built in one day" we are early into the rebuild!

[Invictus88]

Might be time to just sell the Pistons to folks in Seattle and not pay attention to the NBA anymore?

Seriously. If your goal isn't to eventually try and contend for a championship then what are you doing?

Please Please Please Please Please Troy Weaver if you are somehow on these boards just ignore the OP. It's this mentality that has continued to have us toil in treadmill purgatory for decades. They ARE the problem. I cannot and will not ever relate to this line of thinking. Just. No.

Meh while I want a championship no doubt. It's a difference between fighting for the 8th seed every year and actually having a mid to high seeded team that can actually win a series or 2.

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I don't grok this at all. What's the difference between fighting for 8th seed every year and having a mid to high seeded team that can win a series or 2? What are you referring to here?

[mattao313]

Might be time to just sell the Pistons to folks in Seattle and not pay attention to the NBA anymore?

Seriously. If your goal isn't to eventually try and contend for a championship then what are you doing?

Please Please Please Please Please Troy Weaver if you are somehow on these boards just ignore the OP. It's this mentality that has continued to have us toil in treadmill purgatory for decades. They ARE the problem. I cannot and will not ever relate to this line of thinking. Just. No.

Meh while I want a championship no doubt. It's a difference between fighting for the 8th seed every year and actually having a mid to high seeded team that can actually win a series or 2.

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I don't grok this at all. What's the difference between fighting for 8th seed every year and having a mid to high seeded team that can win a series or 2? What are you referring to here?

Would you rather have the Andre Drummond Reggie Jackson teams or current Dallas Mavs type team is what I mean

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