Offseason Plan

[pcbothwel]

Our "garbage team":

In 2018-19 we went 32-50. Memphis went 33-49. We were -2.9 ppg vs the league. They were -2.6.

They got a new FO that Spring. So did we. It's 3 years later, & Memphis is a powerhouse, while the Washington Wizards this year were -3.4 ppg vs. the league.

Lolol...how disingenuous of you.
How about a little context:
1) In the 2018 draft, The Grizzlies picked 4th and grabbed JJJ while we picked 15th and drafted Troy Brown. So heading into the 18-19 season the Grizz already had a raw, high ceiling player in JJJ.
2) After 18-19, We were lined up to pick 6th and the Grizzlies 8th. However, The Lotto gods dropped us to 9th and the Grizz jumped to 2nd. Im sure they would look a lot different if they drafted Coby White instead Ja Freakin' Morant.

I mean, The Hornets and Pistons both NEEDED PG's as part of their rebuild. The Hornets were supposed to pick 8th, but jumped 5 spots up to 3 and got LaMelo...while the Pistons dropped from 5 to 7 and got Hayes.

Are the TWolves a great team now because they moved up to #1 and got Ant? What if they were stuck at 3/4 instead and Ant + Ball were gone. Only to be left with Wiseman, Pat Williams, Okoro, Okongwu, Hayes, or Toppin.

Memphis appears to be a great young team with a bright future... but dont gloss over the luck they have witnessed by getting Ja.

[FAH1223]

Our "garbage team":

In 2018-19 we went 32-50. Memphis went 33-49. We were -2.9 ppg vs the league. They were -2.6.

They got a new FO that Spring. So did we. It's 3 years later, & Memphis is a powerhouse, while the Washington Wizards this year were -3.4 ppg vs. the league.

Lolol...how disingenuous of you.
How about a little context:
1) In the 2018 draft, The Grizzlies picked 4th and grabbed JJJ while we picked 15th and drafted Troy Brown. So heading into the 18-19 season the Grizz already had a raw, high ceiling player in JJJ.
2) After 18-19, We were lined up to pick 6th and the Grizzlies 8th. However, The Lotto gods dropped us to 9th and the Grizz jumped to 2nd. Im sure they would look a lot different if they drafted Coby White instead Ja Freakin' Morant.

I mean, The Hornets and Pistons both NEEDED PG's as part of their rebuild. The Hornets were supposed to pick 8th, but jumped 5 spots up to 3 and got LaMelo...while the Pistons dropped from 5 to 7 and got Hayes.

Are the TWolves a great team now because they moved up to #1 and got Ant? What if they were stuck at 3/4 instead and Ant + Ball were gone. Only to be left with Wiseman, Pat Williams, Okoro, Okongwu, Hayes, or Toppin.

Memphis appears to be a great young team with a bright future... but dont gloss over the luck they have witnessed by getting Ja.

Besides Ja... look at the moves the 34-year old Zach Kleiman has made in 3 years.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/executives/kleimza99x.html

MASTERCLASS

[Kanyewest]

Our "garbage team":

In 2018-19 we went 32-50. Memphis went 33-49. We were -2.9 ppg vs the league. They were -2.6.

They got a new FO that Spring. So did we. It's 3 years later, & Memphis is a powerhouse, while the Washington Wizards this year were -3.4 ppg vs. the league.

Lolol...how disingenuous of you.
How about a little context:
1) In the 2018 draft, The Grizzlies picked 4th and grabbed JJJ while we picked 15th and drafted Troy Brown. So heading into the 18-19 season the Grizz already had a raw, high ceiling player in JJJ.
2) After 18-19, We were lined up to pick 6th and the Grizzlies 8th. However, The Lotto gods dropped us to 9th and the Grizz jumped to 2nd. Im sure they would look a lot different if they drafted Coby White instead Ja Freakin' Morant.

I mean, The Hornets and Pistons both NEEDED PG's as part of their rebuild. The Hornets were supposed to pick 8th, but jumped 5 spots up to 3 and got LaMelo...while the Pistons dropped from 5 to 7 and got Hayes.

Are the TWolves a great team now because they moved up to #1 and got Ant? What if they were stuck at 3/4 instead and Ant + Ball were gone. Only to be left with Wiseman, Pat Williams, Okoro, Okongwu, Hayes, or Toppin.

Memphis appears to be a great young team with a bright future... but dont gloss over the luck they have witnessed by getting Ja.

Although the Grizzlies still seem to be a very good team without Ja Morant- they had a 20-5 record without him in the regular season (although only 1-2 without him against the Warriors.

But yeah, I believe the Grizzlies had significantly more draft capital as a result of trading Gasol and Conley than Washington (hence why they were able to get Morant and Clarke). And much more cap space and less terrible contracts (see John Wall). Still an excellent job by their front office.

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Our "garbage team":

In 2018-19 we went 32-50. Memphis went 33-49. We were -2.9 ppg vs the league. They were -2.6.

They got a new FO that Spring. So did we. It's 3 years later, & Memphis is a powerhouse, while the Washington Wizards this year were -3.4 ppg vs. the league.

Lolol...how disingenuous of you.
How about a little context:
1) In the 2018 draft, The Grizzlies picked 4th and grabbed JJJ while we picked 15th and drafted Troy Brown. So heading into the 18-19 season the Grizz already had a raw, high ceiling player in JJJ.
2) After 18-19, We were lined up to pick 6th and the Grizzlies 8th. However, The Lotto gods dropped us to 9th and the Grizz jumped to 2nd. Im sure they would look a lot different if they drafted Coby White instead Ja Freakin' Morant.

I mean, The Hornets and Pistons both NEEDED PG's as part of their rebuild. The Hornets were supposed to pick 8th, but jumped 5 spots up to 3 and got LaMelo...while the Pistons dropped from 5 to 7 and got Hayes.

Are the TWolves a great team now because they moved up to #1 and got Ant? What if they were stuck at 3/4 instead and Ant + Ball were gone. Only to be left with Wiseman, Pat Williams, Okoro, Okongwu, Hayes, or Toppin.

Memphis appears to be a great young team with a bright future... but dont gloss over the luck they have witnessed by getting Ja.

Actually, I'd made that point in a previous post -- but, you are certainly right that drafting Morant accelerated their rebuild enormously. I wouldn't say the same about JJJ.

OTOH, they also weren't carrying a boat anchor contract like John's.

My point wasn't that we haven't done exactly what Memphis has done or improved as much as Memphis. My point was that we are no better than we were back then -- worse, if anything. We won 32 games back then. This year we won 35 games. Our ppg deficit is worse than it was back then.

Are you suggesting that all is going well? Not much difference between the job we've done in 3 years & the job Memphis has done? We're really just about as good as Miami? Or whatever you think about this miserable failure of a franchise.

Btw, did I call you disingenuous? Did I LOLOL you? Or did I merely disagree with you & state my reasons?

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...I believe the Grizzlies had significantly more draft capital as a result of trading Gasol and Conley than Washington (hence why they were able to get Morant and Clarke)....

If you have a few minutes, why don't you compare how they managed the 2020 draft with how we managed it....

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

IOW -- this is not a good team, to which you add a player in the draft so that you can keep growing. & add a player with the mle so you can shore up a position where maybe you're getting a little old. & maybe make a trade to balance your roster a little differently.

Nor is this a young team rebuilding itself -- like Houston or Detroit.

Nor is this an average team that is having some bum luck. No, the truth is that if you replaced every single player on this team with someone who is NBA average at his position, we'd be better not worse.

IOW, this is an awful team.

It's a team to which you add as much overall talent as you possibly can as quickly as you can & from as many directions as possible -- in the draft or by any other means. & it really doesn't matter who has to go in order to make that possible.

If Tommy can't manage the draft better than he has, then it's Tommy who has to go.

Trade Beal for a bad deal just to reset. Beal for Wall or Westbrook. YEAH, I would.
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Ideally, any Beal trade would involve Donovan Mitchell. I would also acquire Victor Oladipo and Dez Wells plus Garrison Mathews.

One of Rui/Kuzma needs to go.

DAY'RON SHARPE was underutilized this season.
JALEN "Sticks' SMITH proved me right and PHOENIX VERY VERY WRONG.

The way to rapid reload is to move Beal's bloated deal and to money ball the rest. Value players who exceed to contract and who are HUNGRY will help the team move forward.

Porzingis is TALL but NOT NECESSARILY a C. Dallas is sure NOT MISSING KP as they play tonight game 1 WCF.

TAKE THIS FROM ME FWIW:

1.Pair Kristaps with a passing big who can score inside (Day'Ron via trade with Brooklyn) and Trevion Williams via rd2 selection.
2. ACQUIRE JALEN SMITH who is JUST WHAT I SAID HE WOULD BE....Good!

pick a dogged undrafted PG or SG....Doclinkin's guy Isaiah Mosley?

THE PICK NEEDS TO BE EASON OR A SUPERSTAR to be.


I think Kessler will be BETTER THAN GAFFORD and wouldn't be afraid to trade Gafford BECAUSE THE WIZARDS HAVE RELEGATED his contribution with KP at C.

That's all for now...sorry if a little disjointed.

[Endless Loop]

Didn't know where to post this, couldn't find the official Corey Kispert thread.

Anyway, how is it that Bones Hyland made the second team All-Rookie over Kispert? Is he really a better player?

[FAH1223]

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Mayo talks about Rui extension or not… at 22 minutes in.

[badinage]

Didn't know where to post this, couldn't find the official Corey Kispert thread.

Anyway, how is it that Bones Hyland made the second team All-Rookie over Kispert? Is he really a better player?

He1l no.

But he was surprising early, when Kispert wasn’t.

Kispert came on very strong in the last quarterish of the season. But impressions were already formed at the 50-game mark.

[trast66]

Didn't know where to post this, couldn't find the official Corey Kispert thread.

Anyway, how is it that Bones Hyland made the second team All-Rookie over Kispert? Is he really a better player?

He1l no.

But he was surprising early, when Kispert wasn’t.

Kispert came on very strong in the last quarterish of the season. But impressions were already formed at the 50-game mark.

Kispert did not receive one vote. https://pr.nba.com/2021-22-kia-nba-all-rookie-team/

[nate33]

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Mayo talks about Rui extension or not… at 22 minutes in.

He talks about the Wizards trading back, but to be clear, he doesn't mean trading back PIF-style for multiple picks. He means trading the #10 for a vet PG and a late pick. Or as I like to call it, The Aaron Holiday.

[Frichuela]

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Mayo talks about Rui extension or not… at 22 minutes in.

He talks about the Wizards trading back, but to be clear, he doesn't mean trading back PIF-style for multiple picks. He means trading the #10 for a vet PG and a late pick. Or as I like to call it, The Aaron Holiday.

Agreed. I am afraid so..

A trade scenario I could tolerate is our #10+Kuzma for #13+Rozier. Scary Terry is signed for 4 more years, shoots well from 3 and despite being 6' 1", has a long wingspan and can play defense (decent steal numbers). His assist to TO ratio is pretty good too.

Now, why would Charlotte do it? The only reason I can see is if they i) like Kuzma and more importantly ii) they like a prospect at #10 very much, and fear would be gone by #13. Maybe it is one of the centers or someone like Jeremy Sochan?

On our side, we may think Tari Eason or Dyson Daniels will be there at #13.

Rozier/Vet PG
Beal/Kispert
KCP/Deni
Hachimura/Eason
Porzinga/Gafford

[dckingsfan]

I still think adding another forward is a mistake unless you think he is really that much better than the guards available.

Kispert, KCP, Deni and Hachimura are all there. Where are you going to get the minutes for this new forward.

I think it pretty clear that Wes is not going to play any of those at SG other than a few spot minutes.

My guess is that Tommy will select the best guard available unless there is someone he is coveting that drops to him.

My 1/2 cent...

[nate33]

I still think adding another forward is a mistake unless you think he is really that much better than the guards available.

Kispert, KCP, Deni and Hachimura are all there. Where are you going to get the minutes for this new forward.

I think it pretty clear that Wes is not going to play any of those at SG other than a few spot minutes.

My guess is that Tommy will select the best guard available unless there is someone he is coveting that drops to him.

My 1/2 cent...

If the BPA is a forward, then take the forward. However, if we add a forward (like Sochan or Eason) I would absolutely be in favor of trading either Kuzma or Rui for a guard.

I'm also totally fine with selecting from one of the many guards that are likely to be on the board when we pick: Mathurin, Daniels, Davis, Agbaji, though I'm lower on Agbaji because of his age. He strikes me as a smart pick in the late teens for a team who is already in playoff contention and wants useful role players at a low cost, but I don't think he has star upside. At #10, I want a guy who at least has some hope of being an All-Star one day.

[Ruzious]

Our "garbage team":

In 2018-19 we went 32-50. Memphis went 33-49. We were -2.9 ppg vs the league. They were -2.6.

They got a new FO that Spring. So did we. It's 3 years later, & Memphis is a powerhouse, while the Washington Wizards this year were -3.4 ppg vs. the league.

Lolol...how disingenuous of you.
How about a little context:
1) In the 2018 draft, The Grizzlies picked 4th and grabbed JJJ while we picked 15th and drafted Troy Brown. So heading into the 18-19 season the Grizz already had a raw, high ceiling player in JJJ.
2) After 18-19, We were lined up to pick 6th and the Grizzlies 8th. However, The Lotto gods dropped us to 9th and the Grizz jumped to 2nd. Im sure they would look a lot different if they drafted Coby White instead Ja Freakin' Morant.

I mean, The Hornets and Pistons both NEEDED PG's as part of their rebuild. The Hornets were supposed to pick 8th, but jumped 5 spots up to 3 and got LaMelo...while the Pistons dropped from 5 to 7 and got Hayes.

Are the TWolves a great team now because they moved up to #1 and got Ant? What if they were stuck at 3/4 instead and Ant + Ball were gone. Only to be left with Wiseman, Pat Williams, Okoro, Okongwu, Hayes, or Toppin.

Memphis appears to be a great young team with a bright future... but dont gloss over the luck they have witnessed by getting Ja.

Actually, I'd made that point in a previous post -- but, you are certainly right that drafting Morant accelerated their rebuild enormously. I wouldn't say the same about JJJ.

I would. JJJ is inconsistent offensively and rebounding, but he's the key to their defense. Notice Memphis is better athletically at evey position than the wiz. That starts with the ability to move JJJ around between PF and center.

[gambitx777]

Read on Twitter

Mayo talks about Rui extension or not… at 22 minutes in.

He talks about the Wizards trading back, but to be clear, he doesn't mean trading back PIF-style for multiple picks. He means trading the #10 for a vet PG and a late pick. Or as I like to call it, The Aaron Holiday.

Agreed. I am afraid so..

A trade scenario I could tolerate is our #10+Kuzma for #13+Rozier. Scary Terry is signed for 4 more years, shoots well from 3 and despite being 6' 1", has a long wingspan and can play defense (decent steal numbers). His assist to TO ratio is pretty good too.

Now, why would Charlotte do it? The only reason I can see is if they i) like Kuzma and more importantly ii) they like a prospect at #10 very much, and fear would be gone by #13. Maybe it is one of the centers or someone like Jeremy Sochan?

On our side, we may think Tari Eason or Dyson Daniels will be there at #13.

Rozier/Vet PG
Beal/Kispert
KCP/Deni
Hachimura/Eason
Porzinga/Gafford

Something I thought of
KCP, Rui, #10
For
Terry, 13 and 15

Terry is a decent starting PG but he's making a lot of money hes on a 4 year 20+ a year contract. Moving up to ten getting a pretty decent young guy in Rui and saving 80 mill ish over the next few years is a pretty good move for them

We can then take our picks at 13 and 15 or continue to trade back and add value.
Say 13 and 56 for 20 and 25 from SA and 15 for 30, and our 2023 first back from OKC

We then truned KCP Rui and #10 In to terry and 4 firsts. Not a bad day at the office I'd say.

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[DCZards]

I still think adding another forward is a mistake unless you think he is really that much better than the guards available.

Kispert, KCP, Deni and Hachimura are all there. Where are you going to get the minutes for this new forward.

I think it pretty clear that Wes is not going to play any of those at SG other than a few spot minutes.

My guess is that Tommy will select the best guard available unless there is someone he is coveting that drops to him.

My 1/2 cent...

I hear ya. When you’re drafting at 10 the BPA is usually a close call between 3-4 players. No reason not to take need into account at that point.

[TGW]

Offseason plan? LOL there is no plan. Beg Beal to resign and reach for a mediocre point guard like last year.

As long as the leftover stench of Grunfeld continues to be decision makers, this team will continue to stink.

[payitforward]

Didn't know where to post this, couldn't find the official Corey Kispert thread.

Anyway, how is it that Bones Hyland made the second team All-Rookie over Kispert? Is he really a better player?

What does this media project have to do w/ how good a player anyone is? Or even with how well anyone played? Answer: nothing.

Cunningham & Green were absolutely awful. Giddey & Dosunmu were far better than anyone on the first team except Barnes. Kispert was better than Hyland, & he was also better than Duarte.

Where's Austin Reaves? He was absolutely terrific. Where's Jose Alvarado?

[payitforward]

...certainly right that drafting Morant accelerated their rebuild enormously. I wouldn't say the same about JJJ.

I would. JJJ is inconsistent offensively and rebounding, but he's the key to their defense. Notice Memphis is better athletically at every position than the wiz. That starts with the ability to move JJJ around between PF and center.

I was pretty sure you'd chime in on this, Ruzious -- I know you have a very high opinion of the guy.

But Jackson is not "inconsistent" offensively, Ruz. He's bad offensively. & he's not "inconsistent" as a rebounder. He's a bad rebounder.

A PF/Center who posts a .535 TS% while being 3d on his team in FGAs per 40 minutes, & is also both a sub-par offensive rebounder & turns the ball over more than average -- while registering just over half as many assists as average -- has a whole lot to make up for with his defense.

Committing 35% more fouls than average for a PF/Center, while collecting 84% as many defensive rebounds as an average PF/C, doesn't strike me as a good start on that.

It's certainly true that he blocks a lot of shots.

If there is other interesting data that casts a different light on JJJ's play, I'd be interested to see it & & open to changing my view.