2022 NBA Draft Part II

[MartinsIzAfraud]

lol

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playing devil's advocate.....

When you've got a smooth Jumpshot and can shoot over just about anyone why would you need a stepback?

[jman3134]

Smaller lane and less spacing.

[clyde21]

not a perfect fit because Magic already have Franz, but you take Jabari and run, figure out the fit later. Bari's clearly the best player in the class.

[rapstarter]

Kinda surprising that Jabari only had 15 dunks this season.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Kinda surprising that Jabari only had 15 dunks this season.

he was mildly allergic to the paint during his frosh season.

[Big J]

Paolo seems like more of a “star” than Jabari or Chet if that makes sense. He could easily be a Carmelo type guy in the NBA. Jabari & Chet seemed destined to be great number 2’s.

[Duke4life831]

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So Im curious for those who still have Duren over Mark Williams. How and why? Mark Williams is bigger and longer than Rudy Gobert. Mark Williams has freak measurements even in the NBA. Then you throw in his mobility and just his overall defensive awareness and timing.

Im just having a hard time understanding the Duren > Williams thoughts, especially now that we have accurate measurements for Mark and they're freakish.

[DirtyDez]

Good feet and a 9’5” reach. That’s a nice combo for Koloko.

[CptCrunch]

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So Im curious for those who still have Duren over Mark Williams. How and why? Mark Williams is bigger and longer than Rudy Gobert. Mark Williams has freak measurements even in the NBA. Then you throw in his mobility and just his overall defensive awareness and timing.

Im just having a hard time understanding the Duren > Williams thoughts, especially now that we have accurate measurements for Mark and they're freakish.

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More reach than Gobert. Gobert was at 9'7". Arms a bit shorter, but shoulder a bit taller than Gobert.

This dude has freak measurables. Literally measuring 2 inches taller than listed at Duke.

[LofJ]

Williams is a drop coverage big, he can't effectively guard out on the perimeter. See the ACC championship game against VT for tape on him getting killed when had to defend in space. Duren on the other hand has both the size and athleticism to succeed as both a drop coverage big and defending out in space. He has a higher defensive ceiling.

[Duke4life831]

Williams is a drop coverage big, he can't effectively guard out on the perimeter. See the ACC championship game against VT for tape on him getting killed when had to defend in space. Duren on the other hand has both the size and athleticism to succeed as both a drop coverage big and defending out in space. He has a higher defensive ceiling.

Ive seen plenty of Mark Williams, he is much much more than just a drop coverage big. Also have seen plenty of Jalen Duren, he wasn't doing all that good defending inside or out on the perimeter.

I get it, Duren is a bulky athlete. That's about it though. He didnt show any great defensive awareness and timing. I get his best comp is most likely Bam, but Bam showed that he was on another tier when it came to his defensive versatility as a freshman compared to Duren.

[wegotthabeet]

This class looks pretty weak at the top not going to lie. It's safe to say the top 4 picks from last year would all go #1 this year.

[LofJ]

Williams is a drop coverage big, he can't effectively guard out on the perimeter. See the ACC championship game against VT for tape on him getting killed when had to defend in space. Duren on the other hand has both the size and athleticism to succeed as both a drop coverage big and defending out in space. He has a higher defensive ceiling.

Ive seen plenty of Mark Williams, he is much much more than just a drop coverage big. Also have seen plenty of Jalen Duren, he wasn't doing all that good defending inside or out on the perimeter.

I get it, Duren is a bulky athlete. That's about it though. He didnt show any great defensive awareness and timing. I get his best comp is most likely Bam, but Bam showed that he was on another tier when it came to his defensive versatility as a freshman compared to Duren.

Gobert is mostly a drop coverage big, most guys that size are. It isn't an indictment on Williams, you don't have to use much imagination to see him being one of the best rim protectors in the league. I'd be very happy if he ends up in Charlotte.

That said while he has pretty good foot speed, he just isn't going to be defending out in space in the NBA. He won't be abused to the point where he has to sit (at least not until the playoffs), but he doesn't have the defensive versatility that guys like Bam, Draymond, and Robert Williams have.

As for Duren he had better stats almost across the board compared to Bam. He was the number one prospect in the 2022 class before he reclassified for a reason. He's a special, special athlete and that's always going to get the attention of NBA teams. I think it's also important to note that he's only 18 and he's already shown a plus offensive skill passing from the high post. There's a lot to like about him, it isn't crazy at all to like him more a bit more than Williams.

[Catchall]

Jabari is a less talented JJJ because he is smaller and has displayed less versatility to play big to go along with his perimeter game.

On the other hand, he's more mobile and fluid on the perimeter than JJJ, and he's a more natural shooter.

[Catchall]

Williams is a drop coverage big, he can't effectively guard out on the perimeter. See the ACC championship game against VT for tape on him getting killed when had to defend in space. Duren on the other hand has both the size and athleticism to succeed as both a drop coverage big and defending out in space. He has a higher defensive ceiling.

Ive seen plenty of Mark Williams, he is much much more than just a drop coverage big. Also have seen plenty of Jalen Duren, he wasn't doing all that good defending inside or out on the perimeter.

I get it, Duren is a bulky athlete. That's about it though. He didnt show any great defensive awareness and timing. I get his best comp is most likely Bam, but Bam showed that he was on another tier when it came to his defensive versatility as a freshman compared to Duren.

Gobert is mostly a drop coverage big, most guys that size are. It isn't an indictment on Williams, you don't have to use much imagination to see him being one of the best rim protectors in the league. I'd be very happy if he ends up in Charlotte.

That said while he has pretty good foot speed, he just isn't going to be defending out in space in the NBA. He won't be abused to the point where he has to sit (at least not until the playoffs), but he doesn't have the defensive versatility that guys like Bam, Draymond, and Robert Williams have.

As for Duren he had better stats almost across the board compared to Bam. He was the number one prospect in the 2022 class before he reclassified for a reason. He's a special, special athlete and that's always going to get the attention of NBA teams. I think it's also important to note that he's only 18 and he's already shown a plus offensive skill passing from the high post. There's a lot to like about him, it isn't crazy at all to like him more a bit more than Williams.

Duren has shown a bit of handle, passing and mid-range touch that Williams hasn't shown. That's why he draws some comps to Bam at UK. Williams is the Mutombo archetype, pure rim protector and rim roller.

[Duke4life831]

Williams is a drop coverage big, he can't effectively guard out on the perimeter. See the ACC championship game against VT for tape on him getting killed when had to defend in space. Duren on the other hand has both the size and athleticism to succeed as both a drop coverage big and defending out in space. He has a higher defensive ceiling.

Ive seen plenty of Mark Williams, he is much much more than just a drop coverage big. Also have seen plenty of Jalen Duren, he wasn't doing all that good defending inside or out on the perimeter.

I get it, Duren is a bulky athlete. That's about it though. He didnt show any great defensive awareness and timing. I get his best comp is most likely Bam, but Bam showed that he was on another tier when it came to his defensive versatility as a freshman compared to Duren.

Gobert is mostly a drop coverage big, most guys that size are. It isn't an indictment on Williams, you don't have to use much imagination to see him being one of the best rim protectors in the league. I'd be very happy if he ends up in Charlotte.

That said while he has pretty good foot speed, he just isn't going to be defending out in space in the NBA. He won't be abused to the point where he has to sit (at least not until the playoffs), but he doesn't have the defensive versatility that guys like Bam, Draymond, and Robert Williams have.

As for Duren he had better stats almost across the board compared to Bam. He was the number one prospect in the 2022 class before he reclassified for a reason. He's a special, special athlete and that's always going to get the attention of NBA teams. I think it's also important to note that he's only 18 and he's already shown a plus offensive skill passing from the high post. There's a lot to like about him, it isn't crazy at all to like him more a bit more than Williams.

Yes and Mark is far more mobile than Gobert. Am I saying Mark is going to be a guy that can defend 1-5? Of course not, but he's also not limited to just a drop coverage role either. Ya there is a difference between foot speed between Mark and guys like Draymond and Bam, dont think there is much difference between him and Robert Williams though. Rob is the better leaper but foot speed Im not seeing much of a difference there. And I was extremely high on Rob coming out of college (still am), I had him as my 10th best player in that class pre draft.

My point is as special of an athlete as Duren is, Mark is just as special if not more when it comes to his physical measurements. So both guys have freak aspects to their game. My point is, one of them actually adds on high level timing, awareness, and discipline to go with their freak physical gifts.

And Im not talking about the stats between Bam and Duren as freshman. One played in the SEC and the other played in the AAC, we are talking 2 very different levels of quality of opposition. Bam from an awareness and defensive discipline standpoint was on a completely different level than Duren was last year.

[BlazersBroncos]

David Roddy is a big, big boy.

6'6, 260lbs.

[Duke4life831]

Ive seen plenty of Mark Williams, he is much much more than just a drop coverage big. Also have seen plenty of Jalen Duren, he wasn't doing all that good defending inside or out on the perimeter.

I get it, Duren is a bulky athlete. That's about it though. He didnt show any great defensive awareness and timing. I get his best comp is most likely Bam, but Bam showed that he was on another tier when it came to his defensive versatility as a freshman compared to Duren.

Gobert is mostly a drop coverage big, most guys that size are. It isn't an indictment on Williams, you don't have to use much imagination to see him being one of the best rim protectors in the league. I'd be very happy if he ends up in Charlotte.

That said while he has pretty good foot speed, he just isn't going to be defending out in space in the NBA. He won't be abused to the point where he has to sit (at least not until the playoffs), but he doesn't have the defensive versatility that guys like Bam, Draymond, and Robert Williams have.

As for Duren he had better stats almost across the board compared to Bam. He was the number one prospect in the 2022 class before he reclassified for a reason. He's a special, special athlete and that's always going to get the attention of NBA teams. I think it's also important to note that he's only 18 and he's already shown a plus offensive skill passing from the high post. There's a lot to like about him, it isn't crazy at all to like him more a bit more than Williams.

Duren has shown a bit of handle, passing and mid-range touch that Williams hasn't shown. That's why he draws some comps to Bam at UK. Williams is the Mutombo archetype, pure rim protector and rim roller.

Duren averaged 1.6 assists per 40 compared to Mark's 1.2 per 40. I also disagree when it coms to touch on their shot as well. Duren was a 62% FT shooter this year while Mark was a 72% FT shooter. I also dont see the mid range touch either

Duren:
Non at the rim 2s: 36% (on 30 makes)
2pt shot jumpers: 37%

Mark:
Non at the rim 2s: 43% (on 20 makes)
2pt shot jumpers: 39%

[SeattleJazzFan]

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So Im curious for those who still have Duren over Mark Williams. How and why? Mark Williams is bigger and longer than Rudy Gobert. Mark Williams has freak measurements even in the NBA. Then you throw in his mobility and just his overall defensive awareness and timing.

Im just having a hard time understanding the Duren > Williams thoughts, especially now that we have accurate measurements for Mark and they're freakish.

i probably take Williams over Duren, but it's close. to answer your question however, Duren is considerably stronger than Williams and that matters for a lot of draft evaluators. he's also a full two years younger than williams and that tends to matter as well.

it would also be interesting to see a comparison of their athletic testing numbers.

[MotownMadness]

I like Williams more then Duren as well. Duren just gives me Drummond vibes for some reason lol