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[Chanel Bomber]

Can we also look at the fact that Miami DNPCD'd Duncan Robinson yet again, despite the 5 year $90 million contract (including player option), because they have better options at the guard position. Meanwhile, we're sh*t scared of benching Fournier and his 4 year $73 million deal (including team option) - not DNPCDing him, just benching in favor of Grimes or a better fit in the starting rotation - because it would somehow destroy his value around the league. I don't know.

I don’t think Fournier was playing because of his contract - at least not fully. I just think Thibodeau loves veterans - any veterans - over younger players. At the end of the day he is riding vets over kids regardless of what any stats show him.

Fournier played less than RJ, and Grimes's minutes were rising to almost an equal amount before he got hurt.

The only two players who didn't see minutes are Cam - who's not as good as Fournier - and Obi, who's stuck behind Randle, the Knicks' All-NBA 2nd team PF the year prior.

[3toheadmelo]

Good to see Grant Williams and melos team lose.

Guan0 rooting for his heatles

[aq_ua]

Can we also look at the fact that Miami DNPCD'd Duncan Robinson yet again, despite the 5 year $90 million contract (including player option), because they have better options at the guard position. Meanwhile, we're sh*t scared of benching Fournier and his 4 year $73 million deal (including team option) - not DNPCDing him, just benching in favor of Grimes or a better fit in the starting rotation - because it would somehow destroy his value around the league. I don't know.

I don’t think Fournier was playing because of his contract - at least not fully. I just think Thibodeau loves veterans - any veterans - over younger players. At the end of the day he is riding vets over kids regardless of what any stats show him.

Fournier played less than RJ, and Grimes's minutes were rising to almost an equal amount before he got hurt.

The only two players who didn't see minutes are Cam - who's not as good as Fournier - and Obi, who's stuck behind Randle, the Knicks' All-NBA 2nd team PF the year prior.

Grimes got minutes because RJ got hurt, not as a replacement for Fournier's minutes. Fournier is a career 30mpg player and that's exactly what he got last year, even though a lot of those minutes were just not a good fit with the lineup. Also, do we know for a fact that Cam isn't as good as Fournier? Maybe not as good a three point shooter, but in other facets of the game? How do we really know if we don't play him? Lots of questions there.

[Chanel Bomber]

I don’t think Fournier was playing because of his contract - at least not fully. I just think Thibodeau loves veterans - any veterans - over younger players. At the end of the day he is riding vets over kids regardless of what any stats show him.

Fournier played less than RJ, and Grimes's minutes were rising to almost an equal amount before he got hurt.

The only two players who didn't see minutes are Cam - who's not as good as Fournier - and Obi, who's stuck behind Randle, the Knicks' All-NBA 2nd team PF the year prior.

Grimes got minutes because RJ got hurt, not as a replacement for Fournier's minutes. Fournier is a career 30mpg player and that's exactly what he got last year, even though a lot of those minutes were just not a good fit with the lineup. Also, do we know for a fact that Cam isn't as good as Fournier? Maybe not as good a three point shooter, but in other facets of the game? How do we really know if we don't play him? Lots of questions there.

We know because Cam sucked in Atlanta and was outplayed by Hunter, Huerter, Bogie and washed Gallo. The upside is there, but in terms of actual production, he's not a good player yet.

Grimes had a solid spot in the rotation when he got hurt. Grimes's playing time naturally expanded when RJ got hurt (you're right) because the injury cleared about 35 minutes a game in the wing rotation. He was still averaging over 20 minutes a game in 2022 before RJ's injury, which is decently high for a late first round pick rookie. Only 7.1 fewer minutes than Fournier from 1 January to 17 February (so not counting the stretch where his minutes spiked). Do I wish these minutes were swapped? Yes. But they are hardly worthy of the fans' outrage in my opinion.

[G_K_F]

Fournier played less than RJ, and Grimes's minutes were rising to almost an equal amount before he got hurt.

The only two players who didn't see minutes are Cam - who's not as good as Fournier - and Obi, who's stuck behind Randle, the Knicks' All-NBA 2nd team PF the year prior.

Grimes got minutes because RJ got hurt, not as a replacement for Fournier's minutes. Fournier is a career 30mpg player and that's exactly what he got last year, even though a lot of those minutes were just not a good fit with the lineup. Also, do we know for a fact that Cam isn't as good as Fournier? Maybe not as good a three point shooter, but in other facets of the game? How do we really know if we don't play him? Lots of questions there.

We know because Cam sucked in Atlanta and was outplayed by Hunter, Huerter, Bogie and washed Gallo. The upside is there, but in terms of actual production, he's not a good player yet.

Grimes had a solid spot in the rotation when he got hurt. Grimes's playing time naturally expanded when RJ got hurt (you're right) because the injury cleared about 35 minutes a game in the wing rotation. He was still averaging over 20 minutes a game in 2022 before RJ's injury, which is decently high for a late first round pick rookie. Only 7.1 fewer minutes than Fournier from 1 January to 17 February (so not counting the stretch where his minutes spiked). Hardly worthy of the fans' outrage in my opinion.

Worth plenty of outrage.

Burks was playing 40 mpg while younger players were barely playing or playing in Westchester.

Taj Gibson was being given heavy minutes over Obi and Sims.

Looks like you’re in the apology stage of the Thibodeau era.

Of course, I’m not here to argue about it because Thibodeau will be fired within the next 1.5 years and Leon Rose will also be eventually replaced with another yes man - maybe even Perry himself.

[Chanel Bomber]

Grimes got minutes because RJ got hurt, not as a replacement for Fournier's minutes. Fournier is a career 30mpg player and that's exactly what he got last year, even though a lot of those minutes were just not a good fit with the lineup. Also, do we know for a fact that Cam isn't as good as Fournier? Maybe not as good a three point shooter, but in other facets of the game? How do we really know if we don't play him? Lots of questions there.

We know because Cam sucked in Atlanta and was outplayed by Hunter, Huerter, Bogie and washed Gallo. The upside is there, but in terms of actual production, he's not a good player yet.

Grimes had a solid spot in the rotation when he got hurt. Grimes's playing time naturally expanded when RJ got hurt (you're right) because the injury cleared about 35 minutes a game in the wing rotation. He was still averaging over 20 minutes a game in 2022 before RJ's injury, which is decently high for a late first round pick rookie. Only 7.1 fewer minutes than Fournier from 1 January to 17 February (so not counting the stretch where his minutes spiked). Hardly worthy of the fans' outrage in my opinion.

Worth plenty of outrage.

Burks was playing 40 mpg while younger players were barely playing or playing in Westchester.

Taj Gibson was being given heavy minutes over Obi and Sims.

Looks like you’re in the apology stage of the Thibodeau era.

Of course, I’m not here to argue about it because Thibodeau will be fired within the next 1.5 years and Leon Rose will also be eventually replaced with another yes man - maybe even Perry himself.

Different roles.

Burks was the point guard and was tasked to bring some semblance of organization in the offense. Putting Grimes or Cam in that position would have been unfair to them and counterproductive for their development. We can debate about Burks vs IQ, but IQ's playing time was consistent despite his struggles which persisted through most of the season.

Taj played at center. Thibs doesn't view Obi as a 5 because he's less effective at protecting the rim. I agree with the criticism that Thibs is too dogmatic about rim protection, and that he should play Obi at the 5 more. I've been consistent about that criticism. Taj also provides some semblance of spacing at the 5, which is supposedly what RJ needs to succeed, so what do we want? If only the young players played, some would be used as scapegoats for the defense of others' favorites. It's inevitable. Negative energy and frustration have to be offloaded when you don't accept that the roster sucks and we lack talent.

I'm no fan of Thibs, and I don't make excuses for him in the areas where I find him to be lacking in competence, or mad. But this demonization of Thibs and the sweeping gdneralization that he "doesn't play the youth" are too extreme and suspiciously convenient in my opinion.

More minutes doesn't mean better development anyway.

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[Capn'O]

Didn't realize there was a game. Whoops.

Horford is so huge for the Celtics.

Do you think he deserves to make the HOF?

He's been a winner his entire career. I would take him over a lot of so-called stars. It's a close call if the Celtics make the Finals in my opinion.

Love Horford but I don't. He's like a souped up Horry. Even his last name. You're correct that a chip this year strengthens the case substantially.

[Obi-One]

I remember when I thought getting Phil Jackson was our version of the Heat getting Pat Riley, smh

[Jimmit79]

I remember when I thought getting Phil Jackson was our version of the Heat getting Pat Riley, smh

It could have been if Dolan didn't make Mills his GM and cheaped out on kerr. Dolan only hired Phil to make him a scapegoat from day one all media where talking about Phil's paycheck yet we don't hear a word of how much Perry Mills Leon WWW are making.

[Reign23]

We know because Cam sucked in Atlanta and was outplayed by Hunter, Huerter, Bogie and washed Gallo. The upside is there, but in terms of actual production, he's not a good player yet.

Grimes had a solid spot in the rotation when he got hurt. Grimes's playing time naturally expanded when RJ got hurt (you're right) because the injury cleared about 35 minutes a game in the wing rotation. He was still averaging over 20 minutes a game in 2022 before RJ's injury, which is decently high for a late first round pick rookie. Only 7.1 fewer minutes than Fournier from 1 January to 17 February (so not counting the stretch where his minutes spiked). Hardly worthy of the fans' outrage in my opinion.

Worth plenty of outrage.

Burks was playing 40 mpg while younger players were barely playing or playing in Westchester.

Taj Gibson was being given heavy minutes over Obi and Sims.

Looks like you’re in the apology stage of the Thibodeau era.

Of course, I’m not here to argue about it because Thibodeau will be fired within the next 1.5 years and Leon Rose will also be eventually replaced with another yes man - maybe even Perry himself.

Different roles.

Burks was the point guard and was tasked to bring some semblance of organization in the offense. Putting Grimes or Cam in that position would have been unfair to them and counterproductive for their development. We can debate about Burks vs IQ, but IQ's playing time was consistent despite his struggles which persisted through most of the season.

Taj played at center. Thibs doesn't view Obi as a 5 because he's less effective at protecting the rim. I agree with the criticism that Thibs is too dogmatic about rim protection, and that he should play Obi at the 5 more. I've been consistent about that criticism. Taj also provides some semblance of spacing at the 5, which is supposedly what RJ needs to succeed, so what do we want? If only the young players played, some would be used as scapegoats for the defense of others' favorites. It's inevitable. Negative energy and frustration have to be offloaded when you don't accept that the roster sucks and we lack talent.

I'm no fan of Thibs, and I don't make excuses for him in the areas where I find him to be lacking in competence, or mad. But this demonization of Thibs and the sweeping gdneralization that he "doesn't play the youth" are too extreme and suspiciously convenient in my opinion.

More minutes doesn't mean better development anyway.

I am getting to the point that i believe you are either thibs or related to him

[Reign23]

Fournier played less than RJ, and Grimes's minutes were rising to almost an equal amount before he got hurt.

The only two players who didn't see minutes are Cam - who's not as good as Fournier - and Obi, who's stuck behind Randle, the Knicks' All-NBA 2nd team PF the year prior.

Grimes got minutes because RJ got hurt, not as a replacement for Fournier's minutes. Fournier is a career 30mpg player and that's exactly what he got last year, even though a lot of those minutes were just not a good fit with the lineup. Also, do we know for a fact that Cam isn't as good as Fournier? Maybe not as good a three point shooter, but in other facets of the game? How do we really know if we don't play him? Lots of questions there.

We know because Cam sucked in Atlanta and was outplayed by Hunter, Huerter, Bogie and washed Gallo. The upside is there, but in terms of actual production, he's not a good player yet.

Grimes had a solid spot in the rotation when he got hurt. Grimes's playing time naturally expanded when RJ got hurt (you're right) because the injury cleared about 35 minutes a game in the wing rotation. He was still averaging over 20 minutes a game in 2022 before RJ's injury, which is decently high for a late first round pick rookie. Only 7.1 fewer minutes than Fournier from 1 January to 17 February (so not counting the stretch where his minutes spiked). Do I wish these minutes were swapped? Yes. But they are hardly worthy of the fans' outrage in my opinion.

I think about making this my sig.
"the vet played way more minutes than the rookie!!"
"NOO the rookie only played 7.1 fewer minutes from january 1st to february the 17th"

jesus, chanel. Please stop

[Chanel Bomber]

Worth plenty of outrage.

Burks was playing 40 mpg while younger players were barely playing or playing in Westchester.

Taj Gibson was being given heavy minutes over Obi and Sims.

Looks like you’re in the apology stage of the Thibodeau era.

Of course, I’m not here to argue about it because Thibodeau will be fired within the next 1.5 years and Leon Rose will also be eventually replaced with another yes man - maybe even Perry himself.

Different roles.

Burks was the point guard and was tasked to bring some semblance of organization in the offense. Putting Grimes or Cam in that position would have been unfair to them and counterproductive for their development. We can debate about Burks vs IQ, but IQ's playing time was consistent despite his struggles which persisted through most of the season.

Taj played at center. Thibs doesn't view Obi as a 5 because he's less effective at protecting the rim. I agree with the criticism that Thibs is too dogmatic about rim protection, and that he should play Obi at the 5 more. I've been consistent about that criticism. Taj also provides some semblance of spacing at the 5, which is supposedly what RJ needs to succeed, so what do we want? If only the young players played, some would be used as scapegoats for the defense of others' favorites. It's inevitable. Negative energy and frustration have to be offloaded when you don't accept that the roster sucks and we lack talent.

I'm no fan of Thibs, and I don't make excuses for him in the areas where I find him to be lacking in competence, or mad. But this demonization of Thibs and the sweeping gdneralization that he "doesn't play the youth" are too extreme and suspiciously convenient in my opinion.

More minutes doesn't mean better development anyway.

I am getting to the point that i believe you are either thibs or related to him

I never wanted him hired. I never thought he was the COY. I never considered him more than an average/decent coach when everybody was crowning him.

I just don't think he's this anti-youth devil that some people are painting him as. That's a simplistic caricature that helps find a convenient scapegoat. Because it's harder to accept that our youth might not be that good vs a coach who's nearing retirement. Most of our young players play anyway.

[G_K_F]

Different roles.

Burks was the point guard and was tasked to bring some semblance of organization in the offense. Putting Grimes or Cam in that position would have been unfair to them and counterproductive for their development. We can debate about Burks vs IQ, but IQ's playing time was consistent despite his struggles which persisted through most of the season.

Taj played at center. Thibs doesn't view Obi as a 5 because he's less effective at protecting the rim. I agree with the criticism that Thibs is too dogmatic about rim protection, and that he should play Obi at the 5 more. I've been consistent about that criticism. Taj also provides some semblance of spacing at the 5, which is supposedly what RJ needs to succeed, so what do we want? If only the young players played, some would be used as scapegoats for the defense of others' favorites. It's inevitable. Negative energy and frustration have to be offloaded when you don't accept that the roster sucks and we lack talent.

I'm no fan of Thibs, and I don't make excuses for him in the areas where I find him to be lacking in competence, or mad. But this demonization of Thibs and the sweeping gdneralization that he "doesn't play the youth" are too extreme and suspiciously convenient in my opinion.

More minutes doesn't mean better development anyway.

I am getting to the point that i believe you are either thibs or related to him

I never wanted him hired. I never thought he was the COY. I never considered him more than an average/decent coach when everybody was crowning him.

I just don't think he's this anti-youth devil that some people are painting him as. That's a simplistic caricature that helps find a convenient scapegoat. Because it's harder to accept that our youth might not be that good vs a coach who's nearing retirement. Most of our young players play anyway.

The youth are still better than Alec Burks, Fournier, Noel, Taj, etc.

You may disagree but Grimes, Reddish, Obi, Quickley, etc are at lease on par with those players. Which is not saying much but the point remains.

Both things can be true - that our youth isn't great and that our coach is a hasbeen with a terrible system. The term "great" doesn't mean the players suck. It's that none are future All Stars but they will be good role players in the league. Thibodeau also might still be a relevant coach in the league if he coached a veteran-laden team like the Lakers or someone of that ilk. He would do more with those teams than he would here.

As is typically the case, the Knicks have a mismatched roster and coach even with the President of the team being Thibodeau's good friend. Somehow incompetence always finds the Knicks in various ways.

[Chanel Bomber]

Grimes got minutes because RJ got hurt, not as a replacement for Fournier's minutes. Fournier is a career 30mpg player and that's exactly what he got last year, even though a lot of those minutes were just not a good fit with the lineup. Also, do we know for a fact that Cam isn't as good as Fournier? Maybe not as good a three point shooter, but in other facets of the game? How do we really know if we don't play him? Lots of questions there.

We know because Cam sucked in Atlanta and was outplayed by Hunter, Huerter, Bogie and washed Gallo. The upside is there, but in terms of actual production, he's not a good player yet.

Grimes had a solid spot in the rotation when he got hurt. Grimes's playing time naturally expanded when RJ got hurt (you're right) because the injury cleared about 35 minutes a game in the wing rotation. He was still averaging over 20 minutes a game in 2022 before RJ's injury, which is decently high for a late first round pick rookie. Only 7.1 fewer minutes than Fournier from 1 January to 17 February (so not counting the stretch where his minutes spiked). Do I wish these minutes were swapped? Yes. But they are hardly worthy of the fans' outrage in my opinion.

I think about making this my sig.
"the vet played way more minutes than the rookie!!"
"NOO the rookie only played 7.1 fewer minutes from january 1st to february the 17th"

jesus, chanel. Please stop

Ok.

Thibs is the devil and deserves to be executed in front of MSG.

He didn't play the 25th pick in the draft more than 20 minutes per game to start the season. What a piece of ****. Everybody knows you need to give the keys to the youth early and play them heavy minutes out the gates, otherwise they are doomed and their development is ruined. See Jimmy Butler, player for the Guangdong Tigers. Grimes only averaged 20+ minutes in 2022 before he got hurt. So Thibs hates kids. Clearly. Makes perfect sense.

Too bad RJ only played 10 minutes a game. His shooting percentages and his unselfishness and his elite defense suggest that he should be playing a lot more. Oh and Mitch, doesn't even play! What a waste of DPOY potential. Such a shame that Thibs benched IQ after a week because he was shooting poorly.

Let's stone him.

[Reign23]

Different roles.

Burks was the point guard and was tasked to bring some semblance of organization in the offense. Putting Grimes or Cam in that position would have been unfair to them and counterproductive for their development. We can debate about Burks vs IQ, but IQ's playing time was consistent despite his struggles which persisted through most of the season.

Taj played at center. Thibs doesn't view Obi as a 5 because he's less effective at protecting the rim. I agree with the criticism that Thibs is too dogmatic about rim protection, and that he should play Obi at the 5 more. I've been consistent about that criticism. Taj also provides some semblance of spacing at the 5, which is supposedly what RJ needs to succeed, so what do we want? If only the young players played, some would be used as scapegoats for the defense of others' favorites. It's inevitable. Negative energy and frustration have to be offloaded when you don't accept that the roster sucks and we lack talent.

I'm no fan of Thibs, and I don't make excuses for him in the areas where I find him to be lacking in competence, or mad. But this demonization of Thibs and the sweeping gdneralization that he "doesn't play the youth" are too extreme and suspiciously convenient in my opinion.

More minutes doesn't mean better development anyway.

I am getting to the point that i believe you are either thibs or related to him

I never wanted him hired. I never thought he was the COY. I never considered him more than an average/decent coach when everybody was crowning him.

I just don't think he's this anti-youth devil that some people are painting him as. That's a simplistic caricature that helps find a convenient scapegoat. Because it's harder to accept that our youth might not be that good vs a coach who's nearing retirement. Most of our young players play anyway.

I can't discuss this with you anymore, homie. I don't get why you are still fighting this fight despite the numbers and every poster disagreeing with you.

[Ghetto Gospel]

We know because Cam sucked in Atlanta and was outplayed by Hunter, Huerter, Bogie and washed Gallo. The upside is there, but in terms of actual production, he's not a good player yet.

Grimes had a solid spot in the rotation when he got hurt. Grimes's playing time naturally expanded when RJ got hurt (you're right) because the injury cleared about 35 minutes a game in the wing rotation. He was still averaging over 20 minutes a game in 2022 before RJ's injury, which is decently high for a late first round pick rookie. Only 7.1 fewer minutes than Fournier from 1 January to 17 February (so not counting the stretch where his minutes spiked). Do I wish these minutes were swapped? Yes. But they are hardly worthy of the fans' outrage in my opinion.

I think about making this my sig.
"the vet played way more minutes than the rookie!!"
"NOO the rookie only played 7.1 fewer minutes from january 1st to february the 17th"

jesus, chanel. Please stop

Ok.

Thibs is the devil and deserves to be executed in front of MSG.

He didn't play the 25th pick in the draft more than 20 minutes per game to start the season. What a piece of ****. Everybody knows you need to give the keys to the youth early and play them heavy minutes out the gates, otherwise they are doomed and their development is ruined. See Jimmy Butler, player for the Guangdong Tigers. Grimes only averaged 20+ minutes in 2022 before he got hurt. So Thibs hates kids. Clearly. Makes perfect sense.

Too bad RJ only played 10 minutes a game. His shooting percentages and his unselfishness and his elite defense suggest that he should be playing a lot more. Oh and Mitch, doesn't even play! What a waste of DPOY potential. Such a shame that Thibs benched IQ after a week because he was shooting poorly.

Let's stone him.

+1, as much **** as he gets for not playing youth, I think he just has his guys that he likes and generally plays regardless of how they perform. See RJ at the beginning of last year and this year when he was absolute trash.

[Chanel Bomber]

I am getting to the point that i believe you are either thibs or related to him

I never wanted him hired. I never thought he was the COY. I never considered him more than an average/decent coach when everybody was crowning him.

I just don't think he's this anti-youth devil that some people are painting him as. That's a simplistic caricature that helps find a convenient scapegoat. Because it's harder to accept that our youth might not be that good vs a coach who's nearing retirement. Most of our young players play anyway.

I can't discuss this with you anymore, homie. I don't get why you are still fighting this fight despite the numbers and every poster disagreeing with you.

If you find yourself agreeing with the majority of Knicks fans, then you know you're probably wrong.

See KP, see Frank, see Randle ("MVP! MVP!), see Thibs ("Coach of the year! One of the best in the NBA! Culture!"), see Phil, see Leon, see 50-burger, see RJ, see booing Melo. Etcetera, etcetera.

Knicks fans are the most delusional fanbase in all of sports.

Grimes played. RJ played. IQ played. Mitch played. Obi yes was stuck behind Randle - Thibs should play him at the 5 more. Cam isn't good and is stuck behind a logjam on the wings that the FO should have addressed. Are we going to beach about freaking McBride? Seriously?

[Reign23]

I never wanted him hired. I never thought he was the COY. I never considered him more than an average/decent coach when everybody was crowning him.

I just don't think he's this anti-youth devil that some people are painting him as. That's a simplistic caricature that helps find a convenient scapegoat. Because it's harder to accept that our youth might not be that good vs a coach who's nearing retirement. Most of our young players play anyway.

I can't discuss this with you anymore, homie. I don't get why you are still fighting this fight despite the numbers and every poster disagreeing with you.

If you find yourself agreeing with the majority of Knicks fans, then you know you're probably wrong.

See KP, see Frank, see Randle ("MVP! MVP!), see Thibs ("Coach of the year! One of the best in the NBA! Culture!"), see Phil, see Leon, see 50-burger, see RJ, see booing Melo. Etcetera, etcetera.

Knicks fans are the most delusional fanbase in all of sports.

Grimes played. RJ played. IQ played. Mitch played. Obi yes was stuck behind Randle - Thibs should play him at the 5 more. Cam isn't good and is stuck behind a logjam on the wings that the FO should have addressed. Are we going to beach about freaking McBride? Seriously?

ok, then I have one last question for you, since their minutes were almost close for 30 days or so. if grimes comes into camp in good shape and obv not a rookie anymore… who is playing the least minutes next season out of burks, fournier and grimes?

[Chanel Bomber]

I can't discuss this with you anymore, homie. I don't get why you are still fighting this fight despite the numbers and every poster disagreeing with you.

If you find yourself agreeing with the majority of Knicks fans, then you know you're probably wrong.

See KP, see Frank, see Randle ("MVP! MVP!), see Thibs ("Coach of the year! One of the best in the NBA! Culture!"), see Phil, see Leon, see 50-burger, see RJ, see booing Melo. Etcetera, etcetera.

Knicks fans are the most delusional fanbase in all of sports.

Grimes played. RJ played. IQ played. Mitch played. Obi yes was stuck behind Randle - Thibs should play him at the 5 more. Cam isn't good and is stuck behind a logjam on the wings that the FO should have addressed. Are we going to beach about freaking McBride? Seriously?

ok, then I have one last question for you, since their minutes were almost close for 30 days or so. if grimes comes into camp in good shape and obv not a rookie anymore… who is playing the least minutes next season out of burks, fournier and grimes?

Then I think there's no excuse to play Grimes fewer minutes than Fournier. As far as who will play the most minutes, I can't predict that. But I hope Grimes plays more than Fournier, or at least closer to 30 minutes per game. I think the latter matters more, especially if he plays well like he did in 2022.

Burks played in a different role so it's hardly comparable. From secondary shot creator of a bench unit (a role in which he excelled by the way) to emergency starting point guard, a role a player like him should never be expected to take on (I blame the FO for this). Grimes is not expected to assume either of those roles.