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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
111
51%
Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
1
0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
Total votes: 216

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Post#121 » by Knightro » Wed May 18, 2022 3:57 pm

thelead wrote:Those measurements are going to hurt him. It's not 'undersized' but it also doesn't build him up as a guy that can get his shot up whenever if his skills aren't elite. He's Jalen Green's height without the same type of speed... Interesting.


I mentioned this last year with Keon Johnson too, but I would bet any amount of money I could that Sharpe intentionally tanked his standing reach measurement to juice his vertical leap measurement.

Mathurin's standing reach is 8'8" on a 6'9" wingspan
Sharpe's standing reach is 8'7 1/2" on a 6'11" 1/2 wingspan

How is that possible? Sharpe didn't stretch his standing reach as much as he could because they subtract that number when they measure max vertical.

Long story short, get ready for a huge vertical leap number from Sharpe.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#122 » by basketballRob » Wed May 18, 2022 3:58 pm

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Sharpe is very likely going to be listed at 6'4" in the NBA if they continue with barefoot measurements.

Those measurements are going to hurt him. It's not 'undersized' but it also doesn't build him up as a guy that can get his shot up whenever if his skills aren't elite. He's Jalen Green's height without the same type of speed... Interesting.
He's got 4 inches of wingspan and 25 lbs. on Green.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#123 » by basketballRob » Wed May 18, 2022 3:59 pm

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thelead wrote:Those measurements are going to hurt him. It's not 'undersized' but it also doesn't build him up as a guy that can get his shot up whenever if his skills aren't elite. He's Jalen Green's height without the same type of speed... Interesting.


I mentioned this last year with Keon Johnson too, but I would bet any amount of money I could that Sharpe intentionally tanked his standing reach measurement to juice his vertical leap measurement.

Mathurin's standing reach is 8'8" on a 6'9" wingspan
Sharpe's standing reach is 8'7 1/2" on a 6'11" 1/2 wingspan

How is that possible? Sharpe didn't stretch his standing reach as much as he could because they subtract that number when they measure max vertical.

Long story short, get ready for a huge vertical leap number from Sharpe.
Some players have higher shoulders.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#124 » by LDNMagic90 » Wed May 18, 2022 3:59 pm

You have to ask yourself these questions in regards to Chet's body:

1) Can you trust his body to bang against players that are developed and at their peak or near peak.
2) Do we think with his frame can he add a lot of weight to it?
3) How much is his functional strength going to hold, just cause he is skinny does not mean he can't use his strength to his advantage.
4) Is he the guy we need? We need scoring at the end of the day more than anything
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#125 » by Knightro » Wed May 18, 2022 4:01 pm

basketballRob wrote:Some players have higher shoulders.


Sure. But I'm skeptical of any player who knows they're going to put up an eye popping vertical number. Magically they all seem to have a lower than expected standing reach :lol:

It's because they usually don't stretch out as much as they can.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#126 » by Knightro » Wed May 18, 2022 4:04 pm

It doesn't appear any of the tippy top guys got measured. No measurements for Chet, Jabari, Paolo, Ivey, Murray.
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Post#127 » by OrlandO » Wed May 18, 2022 4:09 pm

jabari running away with the poll makes me think weltman will pick chet
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#128 » by zaymon » Wed May 18, 2022 4:16 pm

I am suprised by the poll. I was very high on Smith before the season. Athletic had him at 10 and i had him in my top 5. I am still high on Smith but not number 1 high !
I am a fan of Holmgren, he is tough and seems to love basketball, but... watching NBA playoffs for last few years you cant deny that strength is even more important than lenght and shot creation tops almost all and you cant havr too many.

Enter Paolo Banchero, 6'10 wing with fluid athletecism, smooth handle, great footwork, ability to get to the rim and create own shot in the midrange or further.
His biggest flaw is defense, but its actually not that bad. Effort doesnt seem to be the issue given times he ended up with cramps. I think he gained too much weight, he is at 245. Great defenders with similar height were around 225 in college.
I would not be the biggest fan if Banchero wasnt such a gifted passer. He is very adept at driving to the rim and passing to open shooters. He will be even more dangerous with nba spacing.
My upside comps are Jason Tatum and Grant Hill so its nothing to sneeze at.
I am suprised he has so few votes. He is in a tier of his own on my board
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#129 » by Bensational » Wed May 18, 2022 4:25 pm

I’ll be happy with either Chet or Jabari. I’m equally high on both and don’t have a favourite.

I’d also be cool with Ivey, Murray or Banchero if we made trade downs for them. I’d get behind Sharpe, but I’m presently highly skeptical.
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Post#130 » by Magicman125 » Wed May 18, 2022 4:30 pm

zaymon wrote:I am suprised by the poll. I was very high on Smith before the season. Athletic had him at 10 and i had him in my top 5. I am still high on Smith but not number 1 high !
I am a fan of Holmgren, he is tough and seems to love basketball, but... watching NBA playoffs for last few years you cant deny that strength is even more important than lenght and shot creation tops almost all and you cant havr too many.

Enter Paolo Banchero, 6'10 wing with fluid athletecism, smooth handle, great footwork, ability to get to the rim and create own shot in the midrange or further.
His biggest flaw is defense, but its actually not that bad. Effort doesnt seem to be the issue given times he ended up with cramps. I think he gained too much weight, he is at 245. Great defenders with similar height were around 225 in college.
I would not be the biggest fan if Banchero wasnt such a gifted passer. He is very adept at driving to the rim and passing to open shooters. He will be even more dangerous with nba spacing.
My upside comps are Jason Tatum and Grant Hill so its nothing to sneeze at.
I am suprised he has so few votes. He is in a tier of his own on my board


I doubt his ability to develop his 3 pt shot, and we already have terrible spacing. (basing this off of our like 28th/29th ranking in 3s this past season and his 33% 3pt and 73/74% FT shooting numbers in college)

I also think switchability on defense is hugely important and Paolo does not appear to have the defensive awareness or lateral quickness for that the same way Jabari does or even to a lesser degree, Chet.

I do agree we need a guy who can get a bucket, but it appears to me that Banchero will become closer to a Randle than he will a Tatum, which is hard to build around in today's NBA. Again, just my opinion.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#131 » by JojoSlimbiid » Wed May 18, 2022 4:33 pm

Smith kind of reminds me of Jaren Jackson Jr in the NBA who is a bit smarter in terms of fouls but less of a defender. Really good range but doesn't create much. I don't know about getting assisted bucket guys with the #1 pick which would normally lead to Banchero but I am equally against those Beasly type of scoring 6'10 forwards without the range.
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Post#132 » by Nyce_1 » Wed May 18, 2022 4:46 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Smith kind of reminds me of Jaren Jackson Jr in the NBA who is a bit smarter in terms of fouls but less of a defender. Really good range but doesn't create much. I don't know about getting assisted bucket guys with the #1 pick which would normally lead to Banchero but I am equally against those Beasly type of scoring 6'10 forwards without the range.

I like the JJJ comparison. JJJ with less defense and a better shooter.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#133 » by ChosenSavior » Wed May 18, 2022 4:49 pm

Bensational wrote:I’ll be happy with either Chet or Jabari. I’m equally high on both and don’t have a favourite.

I’d also be cool with Ivey, Murray or Banchero if we made trade downs for them. I’d get behind Sharpe, but I’m presently highly skeptical.


I feel the exact same way.
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Post#134 » by tiderulz » Wed May 18, 2022 4:55 pm

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GelbeWand09 wrote:I have Chet as the clear No.1 but i like Jabari too. Paolo would be a nightmare for me :lol:

I just think Chet not only got the higher upside, but also a easier path to become a top impact player than the other 2. Because he got all the skills & BBIQ necessary already. He just needs to stay healthy & add some pounds. Jabari just lacks skills that are super hard to learn at this age (dribbling/driving & passing). Paolo's combination of lack of length & instincts are super hard to overcome too to be at least not a negative defender + his offense lacks alot too, despite his skills. 3P shot / is he explosive enough to get by a NBA defender? / offensive efficiency.

Chet needs to add mass, the one thing every player in the leaque does over time. The others need to learn or refine skills. Thats much harder to do.

With you on this. He has everything you want in the position....and more. The only thing he's missing is the body. Might be tough to do... but... he's got the work ethic to do it... and the already has the mentality to put it to great use once he's acquired it.

Don't get me wrong too.... i do drool over Jabari's shooting and perimeter defense... and paolo's ability to get a bucket.... but Chet is all of those combined into one... just at varying degrees. But the foundation exists across the board. Mix that in with the JSuggs story/relationship and Orlando will be back on the map from a media standpoint.

look at the teams remaining, no real "elite" center there. This is a wings league now. as has been mentioned before, ive seen Orlando with a center as their best player. Gobert's team didnt advance. Philly didnt advance. Denver is out. KAT is out.

Smith not a traditional wing, but more than Chet.
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Post#135 » by Def Swami » Wed May 18, 2022 4:56 pm

basketballRob wrote:Almost all of Durant's points come from jump shots now and Jabari has an identical shooting form. I disagree that Jabari can't create, he creates jump shots.

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The issue is his ball handling and fluidity with it. He's a great shooter off the bounce or catch. The issue is what he does when NBA defenses close out on him. He didn't really show a great handle or counter moves to get him north-south. He's not a great passer or playmaker. So the question is, can he do anything other than shoot and shoot tough 3's and 2's? He's 18, and if you draft him, you hope he can add that part to this game. That's really what unlocks his potential as a 3 level scorer at his size in the mold of Chris Bosh or Paul George. Otherwise he is Rashard Lewis.
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Post#136 » by basketballRob » Wed May 18, 2022 4:59 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Smith kind of reminds me of Jaren Jackson Jr in the NBA who is a bit smarter in terms of fouls but less of a defender. Really good range but doesn't create much. I don't know about getting assisted bucket guys with the #1 pick which would normally lead to Banchero but I am equally against those Beasly type of scoring 6'10 forwards without the range.
It seems like an awful lot of those jumpers are created. That was my big knock on Ivey. If you pack the paint and guard him closely on the perimeter he gives you nothing. Smith gets his jumpshot off with defenders draped on him.

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Post#137 » by tiderulz » Wed May 18, 2022 5:01 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:I don't believe Chet would have had the year Jabari did in the SEC personally. If it were me, I would take Jabari, but Hammond tends to love extreme length, so he may take Chet.

he wouldnt have. look at the big men in the WCC. they were 6'7 or less in height
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Post#138 » by magicfan217 » Wed May 18, 2022 5:04 pm

I think the Magic need to go with Banchero. When you are picking #1 you have to get a legit #1 option. Maybe that guy isn't in this draft...but it appears to me that the guy who has the BEST chance to be THAT GUY is Banchero. Jabari Smith seems like the "Safe" choice...there is no DOUBT he's going to be an elite roll player type...but you have to ask does he have the creation skills needed to be a #1 or even #2 option on an NBA championship level roster? I don't know. I have a hard time thinking he's got that kind of ceiling.
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Post#139 » by Def Swami » Wed May 18, 2022 5:06 pm

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Post#140 » by tiderulz » Wed May 18, 2022 5:07 pm

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thelead wrote:Those measurements are going to hurt him. It's not 'undersized' but it also doesn't build him up as a guy that can get his shot up whenever if his skills aren't elite. He's Jalen Green's height without the same type of speed... Interesting.


I mentioned this last year with Keon Johnson too, but I would bet any amount of money I could that Sharpe intentionally tanked his standing reach measurement to juice his vertical leap measurement.

Mathurin's standing reach is 8'8" on a 6'9" wingspan
Sharpe's standing reach is 8'7 1/2" on a 6'11" 1/2 wingspan

How is that possible? Sharpe didn't stretch his standing reach as much as he could because they subtract that number when they measure max vertical.

Long story short, get ready for a huge vertical leap number from Sharpe.

depends on shoulder width. narrow shoulders could give higher standing reach

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