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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
111
51%
Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
1
0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#161 » by ogmagicfan » Wed May 18, 2022 6:20 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Smith kind of reminds me of Jaren Jackson Jr in the NBA who is a bit smarter in terms of fouls but less of a defender. Really good range but doesn't create much. I don't know about getting assisted bucket guys with the #1 pick which would normally lead to Banchero but I am equally against those Beasly type of scoring 6'10 forwards without the range.


I agree in terms of not fouling as much, and being more of a perimeter defender than a rim protector, however offensively I believe they differ drastically. Jabari is better at creating off the dribble and creating his looks than JJ Jr already and has a quicker more methodical shot form (JJ Jr shot works, but we can agree it aint that pretty) which helps with making those difficult looks.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#162 » by GelbeWand09 » Wed May 18, 2022 6:21 pm

Bensational wrote:I feel like Banchero is the player I sleep on this draft who outperforms my expectations.

My question is, who will be the intended ball handler and playmaker? Who will be secondary and then third? Fultz > Franz > Suggs

Does Banchero change up that hierarchy? Where does he fit? Are the Magic ready to take the ball out of Suggs’ hands already?


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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#163 » by yoyojw17 » Wed May 18, 2022 6:33 pm

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GelbeWand09 wrote:I have Chet as the clear No.1 but i like Jabari too. Paolo would be a nightmare for me :lol:

I just think Chet not only got the higher upside, but also a easier path to become a top impact player than the other 2. Because he got all the skills & BBIQ necessary already. He just needs to stay healthy & add some pounds. Jabari just lacks skills that are super hard to learn at this age (dribbling/driving & passing). Paolo's combination of lack of length & instincts are super hard to overcome too to be at least not a negative defender + his offense lacks alot too, despite his skills. 3P shot / is he explosive enough to get by a NBA defender? / offensive efficiency.

Chet needs to add mass, the one thing every player in the leaque does over time. The others need to learn or refine skills. Thats much harder to do.

With you on this. He has everything you want in the position....and more. The only thing he's missing is the body. Might be tough to do... but... he's got the work ethic to do it... and the already has the mentality to put it to great use once he's acquired it.

Don't get me wrong too.... i do drool over Jabari's shooting and perimeter defense... and paolo's ability to get a bucket.... but Chet is all of those combined into one... just at varying degrees. But the foundation exists across the board. Mix that in with the JSuggs story/relationship and Orlando will be back on the map from a media standpoint.

look at the teams remaining, no real "elite" center there. This is a wings league now. as has been mentioned before, ive seen Orlando with a center as their best player. Gobert's team didnt advance. Philly didnt advance. Denver is out. KAT is out.

Smith not a traditional wing, but more than Chet.


And who says that I was thinking that our wing situation is set? I'm just going with who I think MIGHT be the better player. Mind you... I like jabari as well. And Chet isn't just a bigman... he's got intangibles that make him special. They could darn well throw money at Lavine for all i know. Save for beal next season. And i know many will say... "why would they do that?"... but in my opinion, this team is getting to the point where players are or will start taking note. Trade some of our players and assts to address the hole.

Needless to say... if we choose Smith... I will cheer him on to be the best darn player he can be.... as he learns how to dribble, pass, and shot create. I'm on the outside looking in... and they will have a better perspective than any of us will be. I like chet probably the most... but i've also made the case for everyone else at the top of the draft. Shoot... they shaedon sharpes name at one.... it will be unexpected ... but.. i'm gonna hope they did it for a reason.

We don't know who will bear the most fruits... till orlando drafts the person and "wraps their arms around him" lol

Whatever choice they do make... i'm sure it will be calculated. They as a FO will actually have to make a decision on their spectulations... while we get to flip flop most likely through it all. Just praying they make the best one possible.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#164 » by zaymon » Wed May 18, 2022 6:35 pm

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I doubt his ability to develop his 3 pt shot, and we already have terrible spacing. (basing this off of our like 28th/29th ranking in 3s this past season and his 33% 3pt and 73/74% FT shooting numbers in college)

I also think switchability on defense is hugely important and Paolo does not appear to have the defensive awareness or lateral quickness for that the same way Jabari does or even to a lesser degree, Chet.

I do agree we need a guy who can get a bucket, but it appears to me that Banchero will become closer to a Randle than he will a Tatum, which is hard to build around in today's NBA. Again, just my opinion.


While Tatum had better ft%, their 3 p% is almost the same 33,8% vs 34,2% and Banchero ended tournament on fire. Banchero has also significantly higher 2 p% and passing skill. On defense Banchero fouled a lot less. Julius Randle is much worse so i wont even write his stats. Lower tier of prospect.
I am impressed by Banchero impact on winning, making top 4 is a big deal as a freshman when you are first option.
Banchero stats suggest he could be better than Tatum in many aspects. Isnt it worth number 1 pick ?
Look at different amazing lineups we could pull up.
Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Isaac/WCJ
Fultz/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Isaac
Wagner/Okeke/Banchero/Isaac/ WCJ 8)


Is Banchero fast enough to play SF, or beat people off the dribble from the 3 pt line? I just see him more as an interior scorer, which is hard to do because I only trust Fultz to be able to make entry passes to him out of anyone on our roster, and fear he'll be too slow to blow by guys from the elbow at the NBA level.


Banchero is mainly perimeter scorer. Midrange, going to the rim.
He is not blazing fast but he is fluid with good footwork. I think he can lose some weight.

Regarding ball handlers we should treat it like Celtics. Smart, Brown, Tatum all 3 can handle. Same with Suggs, Wagner and Banchero.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#165 » by Magicman125 » Wed May 18, 2022 6:38 pm

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Magicman125 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
While Tatum had better ft%, their 3 p% is almost the same 33,8% vs 34,2% and Banchero ended tournament on fire. Banchero has also significantly higher 2 p% and passing skill. On defense Banchero fouled a lot less. Julius Randle is much worse so i wont even write his stats. Lower tier of prospect.
I am impressed by Banchero impact on winning, making top 4 is a big deal as a freshman when you are first option.
Banchero stats suggest he could be better than Tatum in many aspects. Isnt it worth number 1 pick ?
Look at different amazing lineups we could pull up.
Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Isaac/WCJ
Fultz/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Isaac
Wagner/Okeke/Banchero/Isaac/ WCJ 8)


Is Banchero fast enough to play SF, or beat people off the dribble from the 3 pt line? I just see him more as an interior scorer, which is hard to do because I only trust Fultz to be able to make entry passes to him out of anyone on our roster, and fear he'll be too slow to blow by guys from the elbow at the NBA level.


Banchero is mainly perimeter scorer. Midrange, going to the rim.
He is not blazing fast but he is fluid with good footwork. I think he can lose some weight.

Regarding ball handlers we should treat it like Celtics. Smart, Brown, Tatum all 3 can handle. Same with Suggs, Wagner and Banchero.


I guess I just am high on Fultz and like the idea of him being able to set up a knockdown shooter in Jabari.

I also doubt Suggs's ability to handle the ball, he was very prone to turnovers when driving this year. Hopefully just needs more time to adjust to NBA game speed and can work on his handles in the offseason. What you're describing sounds promising, but I'm definitely higher on Jabari and Chet than Paolo. Wouldn't mind a trade down for Paolo depending on what else we got from the trade partner (assuming OKC or HOU)
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#166 » by Xatticus » Wed May 18, 2022 6:39 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:With you on this. He has everything you want in the position....and more. The only thing he's missing is the body. Might be tough to do... but... he's got the work ethic to do it... and the already has the mentality to put it to great use once he's acquired it.

Don't get me wrong too.... i do drool over Jabari's shooting and perimeter defense... and paolo's ability to get a bucket.... but Chet is all of those combined into one... just at varying degrees. But the foundation exists across the board. Mix that in with the JSuggs story/relationship and Orlando will be back on the map from a media standpoint.

look at the teams remaining, no real "elite" center there. This is a wings league now. as has been mentioned before, ive seen Orlando with a center as their best player. Gobert's team didnt advance. Philly didnt advance. Denver is out. KAT is out.

Smith not a traditional wing, but more than Chet.


I can understand that & see the appeal & i'm happy with Jabari too but i just think Chet's gonna be a better player in case that Jabari doesnt learn to drive (which is one of the hardest things to learn).
I can make the same argument and say. Look its a dribble penetration game. Check the conference finals. You see Tatum, Brown, Butler, Doncic, Steph, Poole & not a oversized Klay or Rashard Lewis leading those teams.


Chet is just the much better basketball player at this point in time. What advantages does Jabari have? He is a better shooter. That's pretty much the whole of it. What does Chet do well? Pretty much everything.

I really don't care what other teams look like. I'm not taking a lesser player because some other team doesn't have a great 7-footer on their roster.

Chet is the guy you want. He isn't a guy trying to look like he is the guy you want.

Every year people try to talk themselves into guys that look like what you think a great basketball player should look like. Who are the legends? Larry Bird. Charles Barkley. Bill Walton. What matters isn't what you look like. What matters is whether or not you can play basketball.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#167 » by VFX » Wed May 18, 2022 6:44 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Almost all of Durant's points come from jump shots now and Jabari has an identical shooting form. I disagree that Jabari can't create, he creates jump shots.

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The issue is his ball handling and fluidity with it. He's a great shooter off the bounce or catch. The issue is what he does when NBA defenses close out on him. He didn't really show a great handle or counter moves to get him north-south. He's not a great passer or playmaker. So the question is, can he do anything other than shoot and shoot tough 3's and 2's? He's 18, and if you draft him, you hope he can add that part to this game. That's really what unlocks his potential as a 3 level scorer at his size in the mold of Chris Bosh or Paul George. Otherwise he is Rashard Lewis.


Agree with this assessment. It would actually be the first thing I look at if I'm the Magic - what is Smith's ability to develop in these areas and what is holding him back? The Magic would need to make sure to drill into his head from day 1 they expect more than spot up shooting with that #1 pick. Watching Durant and Kahwi tape will help greatly to round out his repetoire.

A lot is being made of Chet's body, rightly so, but I will also say I am concerned about foul trouble with him. Aspects of his game actually remind me of Mitchell Robinson, who took a long while to learn to stay on the floor with his athleticism and aggressiveness. This is not to say Chet can't overcome this like Robinson did, but it will limit his contributions out of the gate and pose perhaps his first serious mental hurdle.

One thing I will say: People need to stop using the Julius Randle comparison for Paolo because a MAJOR difference between them is effort and playstyle. Except for one single season, Randle has proven himself to be one of the laziest, most emotional, and at times selfish players in the NBA. While Paolo is not a good defender, he IS a willing defender, which Randle is not. Knicks fans would trade him for anything if his contract wasn't such an albatross. Body types are similar, but Paolo offers so much more than Randle right now and that speaks both to how good he is and how bad Randle is.

I have to reiterate how excited I am the Magic have the number 1 pick. While some people are annoyed we are number 1 in a year without a clear number 1, in my opinion the ability to choose between these 3 is an incredibly lucky spot to be in given each of their pluses and weaknesses. There is no automatically going with whomever is deemed worse by another team before them.

Also want to reiterate that although Smith is my preference, any of these three will majorly help the team and have a chance for stardom if they put the work in and are managed well by the team. Any fan who feels 100% percent certain at this point needs to look at Jokic and realize how truly random is draft process can be sometimes.


Good post.

I would hope with any of these picks that they would project to be WAY more than what they are currently on paper. Jabari has to prove he is more than a spot up guy from 3 at the next level. Chet has to show that his physical limitations wont prohibit the reasons why he is a top pick in this draft. Paolo has to show more effort on the defensive end and become more willing to rebound on the other side of the court. Maybe this is an energy issue, considering he has severe cramping concerns, due to overactive sweat glands. A lot of people haven't addressed that with him.

We can all find things about the prospects we do or don't like. At the end of the day what matters is how this roster looks on the court together. While all of these guys are bigs they all have vastly different play styles. A team with each of them looks completely different altogether. That usually wouldn't necessarily be the case, but as a #1 pick it absolutely will matter. If it didn't the selection isn't truly deserving of such a high pick.

It's kind of a blessing and a curse Orlando is the #1 pick in this draft. Sure, you always want the highest pick possible. I just don't know if this FO is capable of making the right pick with every single option on the board. Then again, It's not like they could go wrong with Chet, Jabari, or Paolo because none of them are truly consensus #1 and all have been widely speculated to be capable of being the top pick.

Smith is also my preference as of right now, but I really wouldn't care if they took Chet. Why? Because there is no dynamic offense initiating wing that we can compare to anyone in the playoffs currently. Maybe Wagner is that guy. Hopefully. The Jokic example is a weird one to use with this draft since this FO will undoubtedly choose between the aforementioned players and not a dark horse with the #1 pick. Maybe they move some other assets (TRoss/Fultz/combo of 2nds) to reach up to get Agbaji, Eason, Dieng, or Wendell Moore. Any of those guys would be a great addition with Chet/Paolo/or Jabari. If they did make that move I think it would be considered a home-run draft similar to last season.
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Post#168 » by JBSouthpaw » Wed May 18, 2022 6:46 pm

Yeah, I clearly favor Smith, but one thing I'm glad. The 2 we are looking at, no one questions either's motor.
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Post#169 » by swarlesbarkley » Wed May 18, 2022 6:50 pm

I know we shouldn't really consider our current roster at all when deciding on a #1 pick but with no clear #1 it might come down to what WeHam really think of Fultz and JI.

If they believe in Fultz as the long term solution at PG and primary playmaker - then Jabari seems like the obvious pick as a guy who he can consistently kick to for open 3s. If not, then maybe they go Paolo.

If they believe in JI long term, maybe they trade back and snag Ivey as the clear best fit for our current roster. If not, then picking Jabari or Paolo becomes much easier since JI has very little trade value as an asset unless he's playing like he did in 2020.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#170 » by tiderulz » Wed May 18, 2022 6:52 pm

zaymon wrote:
Magicman125 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
While Tatum had better ft%, their 3 p% is almost the same 33,8% vs 34,2% and Banchero ended tournament on fire. Banchero has also significantly higher 2 p% and passing skill. On defense Banchero fouled a lot less. Julius Randle is much worse so i wont even write his stats. Lower tier of prospect.
I am impressed by Banchero impact on winning, making top 4 is a big deal as a freshman when you are first option.
Banchero stats suggest he could be better than Tatum in many aspects. Isnt it worth number 1 pick ?
Look at different amazing lineups we could pull up.
Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Isaac/WCJ
Fultz/Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Isaac
Wagner/Okeke/Banchero/Isaac/ WCJ 8)


Is Banchero fast enough to play SF, or beat people off the dribble from the 3 pt line? I just see him more as an interior scorer, which is hard to do because I only trust Fultz to be able to make entry passes to him out of anyone on our roster, and fear he'll be too slow to blow by guys from the elbow at the NBA level.


Banchero is mainly perimeter scorer. Midrange, going to the rim.
He is not blazing fast but he is fluid with good footwork. I think he can lose some weight.

Regarding ball handlers we should treat it like Celtics. Smart, Brown, Tatum all 3 can handle. Same with Suggs, Wagner and Banchero.

well, Luka isnt fast either, but has no problem getting to the rim against anyone.
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Post#171 » by lt175 » Wed May 18, 2022 6:54 pm

Happy for you guys.
I guess it´s gonna be Chet or Smith probably.
I lean toward Smith. People keep talking about your FO being about wingspan, and finding the new Giannis, yet they took Suggs and Wagner last year. And Cole Anthony of all people in 2020.
I think they learned their lesson. They will not have a bias toward Chet because of his body type.
They will look at the shoot and the baskteball IQ. We´ll see what Suggs will become but Wagner is a damn homerun. So they know what they should look at for their prospects.
I think it´s gonna be Jabari Smith. A forward duo of Wagner and Smith is so good on paper.

And Remember you guys always take the right guy at one. Of course Shaq was the no brainer of the no brainers. But Penny and Howard? Different FO, I know but you could do worse with the one you had seriously.
The only sad thing is that the Magic has the first pick the year there´s not a lethal primary ballhandler at the top of the draft.
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Post#172 » by tiderulz » Wed May 18, 2022 6:54 pm

Magicman125 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
Magicman125 wrote:
Is Banchero fast enough to play SF, or beat people off the dribble from the 3 pt line? I just see him more as an interior scorer, which is hard to do because I only trust Fultz to be able to make entry passes to him out of anyone on our roster, and fear he'll be too slow to blow by guys from the elbow at the NBA level.


Banchero is mainly perimeter scorer. Midrange, going to the rim.
He is not blazing fast but he is fluid with good footwork. I think he can lose some weight.

Regarding ball handlers we should treat it like Celtics. Smart, Brown, Tatum all 3 can handle. Same with Suggs, Wagner and Banchero.


I guess I just am high on Fultz and like the idea of him being able to set up a knockdown shooter in Jabari.

I also doubt Suggs's ability to handle the ball, he was very prone to turnovers when driving this year. Hopefully just needs more time to adjust to NBA game speed and can work on his handles in the offseason. What you're describing sounds promising, but I'm definitely higher on Jabari and Chet than Paolo. Wouldn't mind a trade down for Paolo depending on what else we got from the trade partner (assuming OKC or HOU)

ideal scenario for me. OKC has to have #1 (Chet), they trade #2 and #12, we come out with Smith/Banchero and the best wing available at #12 (maybe Agbaji).
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Post#173 » by YosemiteSam » Wed May 18, 2022 6:57 pm

Some edited thoughts from Hollinger - he actually has Holmgren in a tier below Jabari and Banchero. Also, he hates this whole draft basically - what a year for us to win the lottery :roll:

1. Jabari Smith Jr. | 6-10 freshman |PF | Auburn

Smith is an unusual player for a top overall pick because he didn’t always dominate games athletically. He had unusually low rates of rebounds, blocks and steals for a prospect of this caliber and shot just 43.9 percent on 2s in SEC games.

So what’s the case for Smith? Let’s start with his jumper, which is just smooth as butter. Smith might have the best shooting form of any prospect I’ve evaluated since Michael Porter Jr. launching perfect parabolas toward the rim and having the footwork to get into this stroke during live play. At a legit 6-10, Smith can rise over anybody and launch, providing something of an offensive cheat code that should set up the rest of his game as he develops.

Meanwhile, his athletic gifts are also pretty significant. Smith can slide his feet like a guard, plus his length allows him to play a half step farther off dribblers and cut off any driving angles. He also rarely gets faked off his feet, a bugaboo for a lot of bigs who otherwise can hold up on switches. Quick, hard changes of direction occasionally leave him a step behind, but he also has the “catch-up” ability to get back in the play and block shots from behind.

Finally, there’s the age issue. With a May 2003 birthdate, Smith is six months younger than Banchero and a full year younger than Holmgren. He’s physically young too, as he’s still pretty clearly growing into his body. In a draft without a surefire future All-Star, he seems the one most likely to earn that honor.


2. Paolo Banchero | 6-10 freshman | PF | Duke

Prospect-wise, Banchero isn’t perfect. He’s not an elite athlete or a great defender, his arms are a bit short for a big, and his shooting stroke could stand to be more consistent (33.8 percent from 3 and 72.9 percent from the line). He’s a bit on the older side for a one-and-done, and his rates of steals and blocks are pretty sad for a lottery prospect.

Banchero is also an attacking, off-the-dribble shot creator at 6-10, and he’s not some shot-hunting pig either. He averaged an eye-opening 6.3 assists per 100 possessions last season, often acting as a de facto point guard for a Duke team that didn’t have a true lead guard. It’s pretty easy to envision a world in which he’s his team’s best or second-best offensive option. Defensively, Banchero’s lack of length gives him issues contesting shots and protecting the rim, which might limit his utility as a small-ball five. Otherwise, I thought his tape was pretty good.

Overall, he’s a fairly safe bet as a high-production four, one with plus offense and who can get to the point of being solid defensively.


4. Chet Holmgren | 7-1 freshman | C | Gonzaga

A lot of the concerns about Holmgren have to deal with his frame. At 7-1 and just 195 pounds, will he be more prone to injuries? Will he hold up to the pounding of a routine NBA game multiplied by 82? The visual is hard to ignore — he looks like somebody might break him in half. The real thing to wonder about with Holmgren is whether drafting a 7-1 center in the top five makes any sense unless he’s basically guaranteed to play in the All-Star game. Holmgren definitely has some huge positives — few bigs have shown as much juice off the dribble at a young age, his 3-point shot is already reliable enough to be a passable long-range floor spacer (39.0 percent from 3 as a freshman), and he finishes everything around the basket (73.7 percent on 2s). Holmgren also controls the paint like few others, with an absurd 12.6 percent block rate and 28.7 percent Defensive Rebound Rate.

Three issues prevent him from ranking higher. First, the skinny body really limits his ability to have any kind of post game, offensively he’s trending toward Myles Turner. Second, nobody talks about this, but Holmgren is a year older than most freshmen, with a May 2002 birthdate. For comparison, the next player on my board, Bennedict Mathurin, has played two years at Arizona but is a month younger than Holmgren. Lastly, the defensive tape is perhaps not quite as awesome as the stats might make you believe, particularly in switch situations. The Synergy stats say he performed well against isolations, but several of those plays featured missed bunnies at the rim, and the sample is small enough that it matters. Holmgren typically gave up a driving lane to one side and then relied on his length to contest at the summit, but often didn’t get there in time.

Because of that, this is probably the best slot for Holmgren. I’m not a huge fan of drafting centers, as you can tell, but the risk-reward equation turns more positive after the first three names are off the board.


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Post#174 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed May 18, 2022 7:01 pm

lt175 wrote:Happy for you guys.
I guess it´s gonna be Chet or Smith probably.
I lean toward Smith. People keep talking about your FO being about wingspan, and finding the new Giannis, yet they took Suggs and Wagner last year. And Cole Anthony of all people in 2020.
I think they learned their lesson. They will not have a bias toward Chet because of his body type.
They will look at the shoot and the baskteball IQ. We´ll see what Suggs will become but Wagner is a damn homerun. So they know what they should look at for their prospects.
I think it´s gonna be Jabari Smith. A forward duo of Wagner and Smith is so good on paper.

And Remember you guys always take the right guy at one. Of course Shaq was the no brainer of the no brainers. But Penny and Howard? Different FO, I know but you could do worse with the one you had seriously.
The only sad thing is that the Magic has the first pick the year there´s not a lethal primary ballhandler at the top of the draft.


Smith and Wagner could be our version of Tatum/Brown.
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Post#175 » by Bergmaniac » Wed May 18, 2022 7:01 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:I know we shouldn't really consider our current roster at all when deciding on a #1 pick but with no clear #1 it might come down to what WeHam really think of Fultz and JI.

If they believe in Fultz as the long term solution at PG and primary playmaker - then Jabari seems like the obvious pick as a guy who he can consistently kick to for open 3s. If not, then maybe they go Paolo.

The fit with Fultz shouldn't play any part in the decision who to draft. You don't select a number 1 pick based on their fit with a player like Fultz who won't start on most NBA teams.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#176 » by swarlesbarkley » Wed May 18, 2022 7:02 pm

YosemiteSam wrote:Some edited thoughts from Hollinger - he actually has Holmgren in a tier below Jabari and Banchero. Also, he hates this whole draft basically - what a year for us to win the lottery :roll:

1. Jabari Smith Jr. | 6-10 freshman |PF | Auburn

Smith is an unusual player for a top overall pick because he didn’t always dominate games athletically. He had unusually low rates of rebounds, blocks and steals for a prospect of this caliber and shot just 43.9 percent on 2s in SEC games.

So what’s the case for Smith? Let’s start with his jumper, which is just smooth as butter. Smith might have the best shooting form of any prospect I’ve evaluated since Michael Porter Jr. launching perfect parabolas toward the rim and having the footwork to get into this stroke during live play. At a legit 6-10, Smith can rise over anybody and launch, providing something of an offensive cheat code that should set up the rest of his game as he develops.

Meanwhile, his athletic gifts are also pretty significant. Smith can slide his feet like a guard, plus his length allows him to play a half step farther off dribblers and cut off any driving angles. He also rarely gets faked off his feet, a bugaboo for a lot of bigs who otherwise can hold up on switches. Quick, hard changes of direction occasionally leave him a step behind, but he also has the “catch-up” ability to get back in the play and block shots from behind.

Finally, there’s the age issue. With a May 2003 birthdate, Smith is six months younger than Banchero and a full year younger than Holmgren. He’s physically young too, as he’s still pretty clearly growing into his body. In a draft without a surefire future All-Star, he seems the one most likely to earn that honor.


2. Paolo Banchero | 6-10 freshman | PF | Duke

Prospect-wise, Banchero isn’t perfect. He’s not an elite athlete or a great defender, his arms are a bit short for a big, and his shooting stroke could stand to be more consistent (33.8 percent from 3 and 72.9 percent from the line). He’s a bit on the older side for a one-and-done, and his rates of steals and blocks are pretty sad for a lottery prospect.

Banchero is also an attacking, off-the-dribble shot creator at 6-10, and he’s not some shot-hunting pig either. He averaged an eye-opening 6.3 assists per 100 possessions last season, often acting as a de facto point guard for a Duke team that didn’t have a true lead guard. It’s pretty easy to envision a world in which he’s his team’s best or second-best offensive option. Defensively, Banchero’s lack of length gives him issues contesting shots and protecting the rim, which might limit his utility as a small-ball five. Otherwise, I thought his tape was pretty good.

Overall, he’s a fairly safe bet as a high-production four, one with plus offense and who can get to the point of being solid defensively.


4. Chet Holmgren | 7-1 freshman | C | Gonzaga

A lot of the concerns about Holmgren have to deal with his frame. At 7-1 and just 195 pounds, will he be more prone to injuries? Will he hold up to the pounding of a routine NBA game multiplied by 82? The visual is hard to ignore — he looks like somebody might break him in half. The real thing to wonder about with Holmgren is whether drafting a 7-1 center in the top five makes any sense unless he’s basically guaranteed to play in the All-Star game. Holmgren definitely has some huge positives — few bigs have shown as much juice off the dribble at a young age, his 3-point shot is already reliable enough to be a passable long-range floor spacer (39.0 percent from 3 as a freshman), and he finishes everything around the basket (73.7 percent on 2s). Holmgren also controls the paint like few others, with an absurd 12.6 percent block rate and 28.7 percent Defensive Rebound Rate.

Three issues prevent him from ranking higher. First, the skinny body really limits his ability to have any kind of post game, offensively he’s trending toward Myles Turner. Second, nobody talks about this, but Holmgren is a year older than most freshmen, with a May 2002 birthdate. For comparison, the next player on my board, Bennedict Mathurin, has played two years at Arizona but is a month younger than Holmgren. Lastly, the defensive tape is perhaps not quite as awesome as the stats might make you believe, particularly in switch situations. The Synergy stats say he performed well against isolations, but several of those plays featured missed bunnies at the rim, and the sample is small enough that it matters. Holmgren typically gave up a driving lane to one side and then relied on his length to contest at the summit, but often didn’t get there in time.

Because of that, this is probably the best slot for Holmgren. I’m not a huge fan of drafting centers, as you can tell, but the risk-reward equation turns more positive after the first three names are off the board.


Hollinger: My top 20 players for the 2022 NBA Draft


Who was #3? Ivey?
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#177 » by GelbeWand09 » Wed May 18, 2022 7:03 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
Black and Blue wrote:
Def Swami wrote:The issue is his ball handling and fluidity with it. He's a great shooter off the bounce or catch. The issue is what he does when NBA defenses close out on him. He didn't really show a great handle or counter moves to get him north-south. He's not a great passer or playmaker. So the question is, can he do anything other than shoot and shoot tough 3's and 2's? He's 18, and if you draft him, you hope he can add that part to this game. That's really what unlocks his potential as a 3 level scorer at his size in the mold of Chris Bosh or Paul George. Otherwise he is Rashard Lewis.


Agree with this assessment. It would actually be the first thing I look at if I'm the Magic - what is Smith's ability to develop in these areas and what is holding him back? The Magic would need to make sure to drill into his head from day 1 they expect more than spot up shooting with that #1 pick. Watching Durant and Kahwi tape will help greatly to round out his repetoire.

A lot is being made of Chet's body, rightly so, but I will also say I am concerned about foul trouble with him. Aspects of his game actually remind me of Mitchell Robinson, who took a long while to learn to stay on the floor with his athleticism and aggressiveness. This is not to say Chet can't overcome this like Robinson did, but it will limit his contributions out of the gate and pose perhaps his first serious mental hurdle.

One thing I will say: People need to stop using the Julius Randle comparison for Paolo because a MAJOR difference between them is effort and playstyle. Except for one single season, Randle has proven himself to be one of the laziest, most emotional, and at times selfish players in the NBA. While Paolo is not a good defender, he IS a willing defender, which Randle is not. Knicks fans would trade him for anything if his contract wasn't such an albatross. Body types are similar, but Paolo offers so much more than Randle right now and that speaks both to how good he is and how bad Randle is.

I have to reiterate how excited I am the Magic have the number 1 pick. While some people are annoyed we are number 1 in a year without a clear number 1, in my opinion the ability to choose between these 3 is an incredibly lucky spot to be in given each of their pluses and weaknesses. There is no automatically going with whomever is deemed worse by another team before them.

Also want to reiterate that although Smith is my preference, any of these three will majorly help the team and have a chance for stardom if they put the work in and are managed well by the team. Any fan who feels 100% percent certain at this point needs to look at Jokic and realize how truly random is draft process can be sometimes.


Good post.

I would hope with any of these picks that they would project to be WAY more than what they are currently on paper. Jabari has to prove he is more than a spot up guy from 3 at the next level. Chet has to show that his physical limitations wont prohibit the reasons why he is a top pick in this draft. Paolo has to show more effort on the defensive end and become more willing to rebound on the other side of the court. Maybe this is an energy issue, considering he has severe cramping concerns, due to overactive sweat glands. A lot of people haven't addressed that with him.

We can all find things about the prospects we do or don't like. At the end of the day what matters is how this roster looks on the court together. While all of these guys are bigs they all have vastly different play styles. A team with each of them looks completely different altogether. That usually wouldn't necessarily be the case, but as a #1 pick it absolutely will matter. If it didn't the selection isn't truly deserving of such a high pick.

It's kind of a blessing and a curse Orlando is the #1 pick in this draft. Sure, you always want the highest pick possible. I just don't know if this FO is capable of making the right pick with every single option on the board. Then again, It's not like they could go wrong with Chet, Jabari, or Paolo because none of them are truly consensus #1 and all have been widely speculated to be capable of being the top pick.

Smith is also my preference as of right now, but I really wouldn't care if they took Chet. Why? Because there is no dynamic offense initiating wing that we can compare to anyone in the playoffs currently. Maybe Wagner is that guy. Hopefully. The Jokic example is a weird one to use with this draft since this FO will undoubtedly choose between the aforementioned players and not a dark horse with the #1 pick. Maybe they move some other assets (TRoss/Fultz/combo of 2nds) to reach up to get Agbaji, Eason, Dieng, or Wendell Moore. Any of those guys would be a great addition with Chet/Paolo/or Jabari. If they did make that move I think it would be considered a home-run draft similar to last season.


New York is probably the most likely team to trade out or down & Thibs loves vets.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#178 » by VFX » Wed May 18, 2022 7:10 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
Black and Blue wrote:
Agree with this assessment. It would actually be the first thing I look at if I'm the Magic - what is Smith's ability to develop in these areas and what is holding him back? The Magic would need to make sure to drill into his head from day 1 they expect more than spot up shooting with that #1 pick. Watching Durant and Kahwi tape will help greatly to round out his repetoire.

A lot is being made of Chet's body, rightly so, but I will also say I am concerned about foul trouble with him. Aspects of his game actually remind me of Mitchell Robinson, who took a long while to learn to stay on the floor with his athleticism and aggressiveness. This is not to say Chet can't overcome this like Robinson did, but it will limit his contributions out of the gate and pose perhaps his first serious mental hurdle.

One thing I will say: People need to stop using the Julius Randle comparison for Paolo because a MAJOR difference between them is effort and playstyle. Except for one single season, Randle has proven himself to be one of the laziest, most emotional, and at times selfish players in the NBA. While Paolo is not a good defender, he IS a willing defender, which Randle is not. Knicks fans would trade him for anything if his contract wasn't such an albatross. Body types are similar, but Paolo offers so much more than Randle right now and that speaks both to how good he is and how bad Randle is.

I have to reiterate how excited I am the Magic have the number 1 pick. While some people are annoyed we are number 1 in a year without a clear number 1, in my opinion the ability to choose between these 3 is an incredibly lucky spot to be in given each of their pluses and weaknesses. There is no automatically going with whomever is deemed worse by another team before them.

Also want to reiterate that although Smith is my preference, any of these three will majorly help the team and have a chance for stardom if they put the work in and are managed well by the team. Any fan who feels 100% percent certain at this point needs to look at Jokic and realize how truly random is draft process can be sometimes.


Good post.

I would hope with any of these picks that they would project to be WAY more than what they are currently on paper. Jabari has to prove he is more than a spot up guy from 3 at the next level. Chet has to show that his physical limitations wont prohibit the reasons why he is a top pick in this draft. Paolo has to show more effort on the defensive end and become more willing to rebound on the other side of the court. Maybe this is an energy issue, considering he has severe cramping concerns, due to overactive sweat glands. A lot of people haven't addressed that with him.

We can all find things about the prospects we do or don't like. At the end of the day what matters is how this roster looks on the court together. While all of these guys are bigs they all have vastly different play styles. A team with each of them looks completely different altogether. That usually wouldn't necessarily be the case, but as a #1 pick it absolutely will matter. If it didn't the selection isn't truly deserving of such a high pick.

It's kind of a blessing and a curse Orlando is the #1 pick in this draft. Sure, you always want the highest pick possible. I just don't know if this FO is capable of making the right pick with every single option on the board. Then again, It's not like they could go wrong with Chet, Jabari, or Paolo because none of them are truly consensus #1 and all have been widely speculated to be capable of being the top pick.

Smith is also my preference as of right now, but I really wouldn't care if they took Chet. Why? Because there is no dynamic offense initiating wing that we can compare to anyone in the playoffs currently. Maybe Wagner is that guy. Hopefully. The Jokic example is a weird one to use with this draft since this FO will undoubtedly choose between the aforementioned players and not a dark horse with the #1 pick. Maybe they move some other assets (TRoss/Fultz/combo of 2nds) to reach up to get Agbaji, Eason, Dieng, or Wendell Moore. Any of those guys would be a great addition with Chet/Paolo/or Jabari. If they did make that move I think it would be considered a home-run draft similar to last season.


New York is probably the most likely team to trade out or down & Thibs loves vets.


Great! I don't know how pricey #11 would be though. That's a fairly high pick for merely TRoss.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#179 » by lt175 » Wed May 18, 2022 7:12 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:
lt175 wrote:Happy for you guys.
I guess it´s gonna be Chet or Smith probably.
I lean toward Smith. People keep talking about your FO being about wingspan, and finding the new Giannis, yet they took Suggs and Wagner last year. And Cole Anthony of all people in 2020.
I think they learned their lesson. They will not have a bias toward Chet because of his body type.
They will look at the shoot and the baskteball IQ. We´ll see what Suggs will become but Wagner is a damn homerun. So they know what they should look at for their prospects.
I think it´s gonna be Jabari Smith. A forward duo of Wagner and Smith is so good on paper.

And Remember you guys always take the right guy at one. Of course Shaq was the no brainer of the no brainers. But Penny and Howard? Different FO, I know but you could do worse with the one you had seriously.
The only sad thing is that the Magic has the first pick the year there´s not a lethal primary ballhandler at the top of the draft.


Smith and Wagner could be our version of Tatum/Brown.


More like a more athletic Turkoglu/Lewis combo.
I saw a lot of comparisons between Smith and Rashard Lewis and people being a little bit down on Jabari because of that.
Jabari Smith was actually a really good defender with Auburn I thought. If you´re telling me he´s Rashard Lewis with the potential to be a strong defender, that´s pretty great.
Prime Rashard Lewis in modern NBA would have been a hell of a scorer with his shoot and post up play.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#180 » by Magicman125 » Wed May 18, 2022 7:15 pm

lt175 wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:
lt175 wrote:Happy for you guys.
I guess it´s gonna be Chet or Smith probably.
I lean toward Smith. People keep talking about your FO being about wingspan, and finding the new Giannis, yet they took Suggs and Wagner last year. And Cole Anthony of all people in 2020.
I think they learned their lesson. They will not have a bias toward Chet because of his body type.
They will look at the shoot and the baskteball IQ. We´ll see what Suggs will become but Wagner is a damn homerun. So they know what they should look at for their prospects.
I think it´s gonna be Jabari Smith. A forward duo of Wagner and Smith is so good on paper.

And Remember you guys always take the right guy at one. Of course Shaq was the no brainer of the no brainers. But Penny and Howard? Different FO, I know but you could do worse with the one you had seriously.
The only sad thing is that the Magic has the first pick the year there´s not a lethal primary ballhandler at the top of the draft.


Smith and Wagner could be our version of Tatum/Brown.


More like a more athletic Turkoglu/Lewis combo.
I saw a lot of comparisons between Smith and Rashard Lewis and people being a little bit down on Jabari because of that.
Jabari Smith was actually a really good defender with Auburn I thought. If you´re telling me he´s Rashard Lewis with the potential to be a strong defender, that´s pretty great.
Prime Rashard Lewis in modern NBA would have been a hell of a scorer with his shoot and post up play.


Agreed, I thought we never used Rashard's post game enough when he was with the Magic back in the day.

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