It's lotto day! Guess the pick!

[MagicFan101]

Honestly, I don’t plan to study for this draft.

I have some opinions on the players but my strongest opinion is that there likely is NOT a super star in this class. So just select someone they feel is found to a great piece to add to the roster and move on.

Franz, Chuma, Suggs, Cole late … grabbing WCJ. These moves give me confidence they can spot NBA quality talent. We will get a decent player.

I’m not going to stress myself out.

I think it's more of a case of it's harder to identify who can be a star, not that there won't be any. We absolutely don't know just like we didn't know guys like Giannis and Gobert and McCollum would be the best in 2013 despite it being a weaker draft to most people.

Even the Edwards-Wiseman-Ball draft was considered to be the weakest in a long time and two of those guys are already looking incredibly promising. If we mean Doncic-LeBron-Duncan level prospects, yeah, I agree, but talent wise.. the ceilings are open for any of these guys in the first round.

But yeah, most of these top 5 guys would be welcome additions.

Yes, the Doncic level “SUPER STAR” is what I am talking about. That is what this roster needs. I don’t see it in this class. Sure, there is always a chance a surprise like Giannis or Jokic or Kawhi pops out of the later picks but we know the names considered for #1 overall.


I 100% expect Jabari and Paolo to be excellent NBA players … just not Doncic / Duncan level. Chet worries me given his frame but the talent is there.

So my point is, I’m not going to stress myself out over this draft. We will be getting a very good player. Possibly a multi-year All-Star. That’s great!

We still need to push for a franchise SUPER STAR or we are going to be stuck first round exit mode as we were in the Vuc-era. Perhaps this pick pushes us back into relevancy enough that someone wants to take our $$$?

[MoMM]

Video was published 4 days ago on p3sportscience instagram page so i assume it's new one.

Last year they were working before draft with bunch of players including Scottie Barnes.

I assume they won't bulk him up fast because it would hinder his mobility . Also heavy lifting before esencially summer that means everything for prospect entering nba draft can hinder his draft stock. Shooting ball after heavy weights is a ****t. I still find it impossible to play basketball after workout in gym. Just no feeling whatsoever.

In general Chet's frame does not look like something where you could just add 40 pounds.

Chet does not avoid contact tho. But it's different going at college bigs who are normally 6'9- 230 pounds and playing 82 games of regular season where you have 6'9 -240 pounds players at wing, bunch of +200 pounds guards and bunch of +250 pounds center.

I don't care about his physical atributes as he tries to defend postups, i care about his physical atributes in terms of longjevity and not turning like Porzingis, who after ACL tear figured he is just about done with physicality since his health can't take punishment any more.

Well, Jabari is not that big too, 6'11'' and 215lbs? He is not big at all, so why don't people talk about it?

look at Jabari's Frame vs Chet's Frame.... who looks like they could put on 10-20lbs more muscle?

What about the legs? That's where most of the injuries happen.

[ogmagicfan]

Honestly, I don’t plan to study for this draft.

I have some opinions on the players but my strongest opinion is that there likely is NOT a super star in this class. So just select someone they feel is found to a great piece to add to the roster and move on.

Franz, Chuma, Suggs, Cole late … grabbing WCJ. These moves give me confidence they can spot NBA quality talent. We will get a decent player.

I’m not going to stress myself out.

I think it's more of a case of it's harder to identify who can be a star, not that there won't be any. We absolutely don't know just like we didn't know guys like Giannis and Gobert and McCollum would be the best in 2013 despite it being a weaker draft to most people.

Even the Edwards-Wiseman-Ball draft was considered to be the weakest in a long time and two of those guys are already looking incredibly promising. If we mean Doncic-LeBron-Duncan level prospects, yeah, I agree, but talent wise.. the ceilings are open for any of these guys in the first round.

But yeah, most of these top 5 guys would be welcome additions.

Yes, the Doncic level “SUPER STAR” is what I am talking about. That is what this roster needs. I don’t see it in this class. Sure, there is always a chance a surprise like Giannis or Jokic or Kawhi pops out of the later picks but we know the names considered for #1 overall.


I 100% expect Jabari and Paolo to be excellent NBA players … just not Doncic / Duncan level. Chet worries me given his frame but the talent is there.

So my point is, I’m not going to stress myself out over this draft. We will be getting a very good player. Possibly a multi-year All-Star. That’s great!

We still need to push for a franchise SUPER STAR or we are going to be stuck first round exit mode as we were in the Vuc-era. Perhaps this pick pushes us back into relevancy enough that someone wants to take our $$$?

I love the hindsight talk of Luka. I personally had Luka as #1 in the 2018 draft and was confident he was going to be a star, but a majority of posters on here were skeptical of him and scared of Euro flops specifically with Mario being a bust for us and his lack of athleticism.

Clearly other people in the NBA had the same worries because he wasn't the #1 pick.

So how do you know this draft can't have a player that ends up being a top 5-10 player in this league in their prime? You don't, nobody does. That's where scouting, development, & coaching comes into play.

[JBSouthpaw]

Video was published 4 days ago on p3sportscience instagram page so i assume it's new one.

Last year they were working before draft with bunch of players including Scottie Barnes.

I assume they won't bulk him up fast because it would hinder his mobility . Also heavy lifting before esencially summer that means everything for prospect entering nba draft can hinder his draft stock. Shooting ball after heavy weights is a ****t. I still find it impossible to play basketball after workout in gym. Just no feeling whatsoever.

In general Chet's frame does not look like something where you could just add 40 pounds.

Chet does not avoid contact tho. But it's different going at college bigs who are normally 6'9- 230 pounds and playing 82 games of regular season where you have 6'9 -240 pounds players at wing, bunch of +200 pounds guards and bunch of +250 pounds center.

I don't care about his physical atributes as he tries to defend postups, i care about his physical atributes in terms of longjevity and not turning like Porzingis, who after ACL tear figured he is just about done with physicality since his health can't take punishment any more.

Well, Jabari is not that big too, 6'11'' and 215lbs? He is not big at all, so why don't people talk about it?

look at Jabari's Frame vs Chet's Frame.... who looks like they could put on 10-20lbs more muscle?

Smith is a full year younger that Chet too.

[Skybox]

Well, Jabari is not that big too, 6'11'' and 215lbs? He is not big at all, so why don't people talk about it?

look at Jabari's Frame vs Chet's Frame.... who looks like they could put on 10-20lbs more muscle?

Smith is a full year younger that Chet too.

I'm out on Chet but I was listening to a podcast with Mike Schmitz (one of the few I really enjoy/respect) and he LOVES Chet. Specifically, his toughness and referenced his notes from a 2019 camp where he was battling an older, stronger Mobley but Chet was battling and picking himself back up with no apparent fear or intimidation. I like that, but maybe it's even worse because he won't shy away from NBA bodies that will crumble him...It'll be a long shot to convince me he's a #1 pick. I've no doubt he'll be good, but the physicality of the NBA just makes me put a ceiling on him-regardless of mental toughness and skill.

[pepe1991]

I think it's more of a case of it's harder to identify who can be a star, not that there won't be any. We absolutely don't know just like we didn't know guys like Giannis and Gobert and McCollum would be the best in 2013 despite it being a weaker draft to most people.

Even the Edwards-Wiseman-Ball draft was considered to be the weakest in a long time and two of those guys are already looking incredibly promising. If we mean Doncic-LeBron-Duncan level prospects, yeah, I agree, but talent wise.. the ceilings are open for any of these guys in the first round.

But yeah, most of these top 5 guys would be welcome additions.

Yes, the Doncic level “SUPER STAR” is what I am talking about. That is what this roster needs. I don’t see it in this class. Sure, there is always a chance a surprise like Giannis or Jokic or Kawhi pops out of the later picks but we know the names considered for #1 overall.


I 100% expect Jabari and Paolo to be excellent NBA players … just not Doncic / Duncan level. Chet worries me given his frame but the talent is there.

So my point is, I’m not going to stress myself out over this draft. We will be getting a very good player. Possibly a multi-year All-Star. That’s great!

We still need to push for a franchise SUPER STAR or we are going to be stuck first round exit mode as we were in the Vuc-era. Perhaps this pick pushes us back into relevancy enough that someone wants to take our $$$?

I love the hindsight talk of Luka. I personally had Luka as #1 in the 2018 draft and was confident he was going to be a star, but a majority of posters on here were skeptical of him and scared of Euro flops specifically with Mario being a bust for us and his lack of athleticism.

Clearly other people in the NBA had the same worries because he wasn't the #1 pick.

So how do you know this draft can't have a player that ends up being a top 5-10 player in this league in their prime? You don't, nobody does. That's where scouting, development, & coaching comes into play.

If you watched Luka and Mario before draft, you knew why Luka is was lock to be at worst Gordon Hayward type -allstar and why he should be 1st overall pick. Hezonja was bench energy guy, Luka was best player in second strongest league in nba. At age of 18.

Suns didn't draft him probably because they were getting roasted in media for Bender, Chriss, Josh Jackson draft fiascos, Kings because Vlade had beef with Luka's father. Hawks got wet pants when they heared they can trade for additional asset ( who turned into epic... Cam Reddish ) ....

[tiderulz]

look at Jabari's Frame vs Chet's Frame.... who looks like they could put on 10-20lbs more muscle?

Smith is a full year younger that Chet too.

I'm out on Chet but I was listening to a podcast with Mike Schmitz (one of the few I really enjoy/respect) and he LOVES Chet. Specifically, his toughness and referenced his notes from a 2019 camp where he was battling an older, stronger Mobley but Chet was battling and picking himself back up with no apparent fear or intimidation. I like that, but maybe it's even worse because he won't shy away from NBA bodies that will crumble him...It'll be a long shot to convince me he's a #1 pick. I've no doubt he'll be good, but the physicality of the NBA just makes me put a ceiling on him-regardless of mental toughness and skill.

ive mentioned on other threads, but can you imagine him doing a block at the rim like Theis did last night? i could easily envision him with a broken arm or wrist against the PF/C's trying that.

[basketballRob]

Smith is a full year younger that Chet too.

I'm out on Chet but I was listening to a podcast with Mike Schmitz (one of the few I really enjoy/respect) and he LOVES Chet. Specifically, his toughness and referenced his notes from a 2019 camp where he was battling an older, stronger Mobley but Chet was battling and picking himself back up with no apparent fear or intimidation. I like that, but maybe it's even worse because he won't shy away from NBA bodies that will crumble him...It'll be a long shot to convince me he's a #1 pick. I've no doubt he'll be good, but the physicality of the NBA just makes me put a ceiling on him-regardless of mental toughness and skill.

ive mentioned on other threads, but can you imagine him doing a block at the rim like Theis did last night? i could easily envision him with a broken arm or wrist against the PF/C's trying that.

Bruce Pearl thinks Jabari's frame will be able to add more weight.

Watch on YouTube

[yoyojw17]

Smith is a full year younger that Chet too.

I'm out on Chet but I was listening to a podcast with Mike Schmitz (one of the few I really enjoy/respect) and he LOVES Chet. Specifically, his toughness and referenced his notes from a 2019 camp where he was battling an older, stronger Mobley but Chet was battling and picking himself back up with no apparent fear or intimidation. I like that, but maybe it's even worse because he won't shy away from NBA bodies that will crumble him...It'll be a long shot to convince me he's a #1 pick. I've no doubt he'll be good, but the physicality of the NBA just makes me put a ceiling on him-regardless of mental toughness and skill.

ive mentioned on other threads, but can you imagine him doing a block at the rim like Theis did last night? i could easily envision him with a broken arm or wrist against the PF/C's trying that.

Feels like people had the same concern going into his college season.... and overall he showed that he could hold his own in most situations. Now.... yes... Embiid and Jokic's of the world won't be the best matchup... and that actually is facts for most players. lol.... thankfully we can put wendell on them to bang a lil.

Still not enough for me to write him off. Someone posted about a pau gasol comparison.... annnnnnnd he was just as skinny.... and filled out well at all. Yeah yeah... broad shoulders etc. I get that point. But... he has the dog in him that will let him fight all the way until he can stand toe to toe with them all.

[tiderulz]

I'm out on Chet but I was listening to a podcast with Mike Schmitz (one of the few I really enjoy/respect) and he LOVES Chet. Specifically, his toughness and referenced his notes from a 2019 camp where he was battling an older, stronger Mobley but Chet was battling and picking himself back up with no apparent fear or intimidation. I like that, but maybe it's even worse because he won't shy away from NBA bodies that will crumble him...It'll be a long shot to convince me he's a #1 pick. I've no doubt he'll be good, but the physicality of the NBA just makes me put a ceiling on him-regardless of mental toughness and skill.

ive mentioned on other threads, but can you imagine him doing a block at the rim like Theis did last night? i could easily envision him with a broken arm or wrist against the PF/C's trying that.

Feels like people had the same concern going into his college season.... and overall he showed that he could hold his own in most situations. Now.... yes... Embiid and Jokic's of the world won't be the best matchup... and that actually is facts for most players. lol.... thankfully we can put wendell on them to bang a lil.

Still not enough for me to write him off. Someone posted about a pau gasol comparison.... annnnnnnd he was just as skinny.... and filled out well at all. Yeah yeah... broad shoulders etc. I get that point. But... he has the dog in him that will let him fight all the way until he can stand toe to toe with them all.

look at his conference. very few big men that he had to challenge at the rim. I'm not writing him off, i just think he isnt SO MUCH better than the other prospects that it outweighs his risks.

but even beyond Embiid, most PF's are going to have 30-40 lbs on him his first year in the league. he is going to get tossed around like a rag doll. he didnt face that size and weight difference on a nightly basis at Gonzaga

[Black and Blue]

look at Jabari's Frame vs Chet's Frame.... who looks like they could put on 10-20lbs more muscle?

Smith is a full year younger that Chet too.

I'm out on Chet but I was listening to a podcast with Mike Schmitz (one of the few I really enjoy/respect) and he LOVES Chet. Specifically, his toughness and referenced his notes from a 2019 camp where he was battling an older, stronger Mobley but Chet was battling and picking himself back up with no apparent fear or intimidation. I like that, but maybe it's even worse because he won't shy away from NBA bodies that will crumble him...It'll be a long shot to convince me he's a #1 pick. I've no doubt he'll be good, but the physicality of the NBA just makes me put a ceiling on him-regardless of mental toughness and skill.

Great post. I think an important thing to have as context with all these draft experts is that they are going off of college tape and projecting how the player's style translates in the NBA. They are intentionally ignoring things that people who run an NBA have to consider, namely 1) game to game durability, 2) development time, 3) long term health, etc. It's not surprising they all love Chet because it's not their problem if he takes a while to get up to speed or is horribly injured 2 years from now. They can act surprised and say he had all the makings of a great player but injuries took that all away. Real NBA GMs have to deal with the consequences of a fuller picture.

Chet Holmgren is kind of like a hot girl that is **** crazy. All your buddies are telling you to marry her because of what they see, but you are saying, "I have to LIVE with this decision, guys!"

[RookieStar]

When was this? Can't see any dates. If this is recent, what the heck has his trainers been doing? I wouldve had him guzzling protein shakes and steak dinners everyday so he would look better than that.

I went through the comments I think it may have been from 4 days ago? But yeah I would've had him on a bulking diet, temporarily lowering his cardio after his time off after March Madness. But who am I, I'm not a trainer lol just someone who loves to workout

wow.. who was Dwight's trainer? The one in 1 summer who had him looking KG to DRob in 1 summer? They should get him just so they can parade Chet during workouts

[RookieStar]

I went through the comments I think it may have been from 4 days ago? But yeah I would've had him on a bulking diet, temporarily lowering his cardio after his time off after March Madness. But who am I, I'm not a trainer lol just someone who loves to workout

Video was published 4 days ago on p3sportscience instagram page so i assume it's new one.

Last year they were working before draft with bunch of players including Scottie Barnes.

I assume they won't bulk him up fast because it would hinder his mobility . Also heavy lifting before esencially summer that means everything for prospect entering nba draft can hinder his draft stock. Shooting ball after heavy weights is a ****t. I still find it impossible to play basketball after workout in gym. Just no feeling whatsoever.

In general Chet's frame does not look like something where you could just add 40 pounds.

Chet does not avoid contact tho. But it's different going at college bigs who are normally 6'9- 230 pounds and playing 82 games of regular season where you have 6'9 -240 pounds players at wing, bunch of +200 pounds guards and bunch of +250 pounds center.

I don't care about his physical atributes as he tries to defend postups, i care about his physical atributes in terms of longjevity and not turning like Porzingis, who after ACL tear figured he is just about done with physicality since his health can't take punishment any more.

Well, Jabari is not that big too, 6'11'' and 215lbs? He is not big at all, so why don't people talk about it?

I don't want to nitpick but... 6'11 really? I thought we all learned our lesson with that Cade fiasco last draft? Let's just say he is widely accepted as 6'9 and leave it at that. During measurements we finally can have proof on his actual height and if he is 6'11 in shoes then WOW, if he is 6'9 with shoes then that's fine as well.

[GelbeWand09]

Smith is a full year younger that Chet too.

I'm out on Chet but I was listening to a podcast with Mike Schmitz (one of the few I really enjoy/respect) and he LOVES Chet. Specifically, his toughness and referenced his notes from a 2019 camp where he was battling an older, stronger Mobley but Chet was battling and picking himself back up with no apparent fear or intimidation. I like that, but maybe it's even worse because he won't shy away from NBA bodies that will crumble him...It'll be a long shot to convince me he's a #1 pick. I've no doubt he'll be good, but the physicality of the NBA just makes me put a ceiling on him-regardless of mental toughness and skill.

Great post. I think an important thing to have as context with all these draft experts is that they are going off of college tape and projecting how the player's style translates in the NBA. They are intentionally ignoring things that people who run an NBA have to consider, namely 1) game to game durability, 2) development time, 3) long term health, etc. It's not surprising they all love Chet because it's not their problem if he takes a while to get up to speed or is horribly injured 2 years from now. They can act surprised and say he had all the makings of a great player but injuries took that all away. Real NBA GMs have to deal with the consequences of a fuller picture.

Chet Holmgren is kind of like a hot girl that is **** crazy. All your buddies are telling you to marry her because of what they see, but you are saying, "I have to LIVE with this decision, guys!"

I feel its the opposite. Most of these guys just go by fit without even knowing much about the teams. Hence, most of them have us taking Jabari because he can shoot or Banchero because we lack a 1 vs 1 player.
The hot girl analogy also fits much better for me to Paolo & Jabari. The iso-game & The Shooting are the fancy make-up hiding the much uglier face behind it (big wholes in the rest of there game/skills) (Sorry a bit dramatic ).

[Skybox]

ive mentioned on other threads, but can you imagine him doing a block at the rim like Theis did last night? i could easily envision him with a broken arm or wrist against the PF/C's trying that.

Feels like people had the same concern going into his college season.... and overall he showed that he could hold his own in most situations. Now.... yes... Embiid and Jokic's of the world won't be the best matchup... and that actually is facts for most players. lol.... thankfully we can put wendell on them to bang a lil.

Still not enough for me to write him off. Someone posted about a pau gasol comparison.... annnnnnnd he was just as skinny.... and filled out well at all. Yeah yeah... broad shoulders etc. I get that point. But... he has the dog in him that will let him fight all the way until he can stand toe to toe with them all.

look at his conference. very few big men that he had to challenge at the rim. I'm not writing him off, i just think he isnt SO MUCH better than the other prospects that it outweighs his risks.

but even beyond Embiid, most PF's are going to have 30-40 lbs on him his first year in the league. he is going to get tossed around like a rag doll. he didnt face that size and weight difference on a nightly basis at Gonzaga

Forget about the Embiid's of the world...Marcus Smart will fold him up

[yoyojw17]

Watch on YouTube

Was a good watch for those like me that weren't as well versed in the Auburn environment. Hopefully this just stimeyed his growth a little and the best is yet to come. Don't worry.... fultz, suggs, cole, and wagner will get you all open shots you need buddy.

[basketballRob]

I've heard the guard play at Auburn was bad and it looked like most of Jabari's shots were well defended.

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[JF5]

Now that the Magic are seemingly ensured of grabbing one of Chet/Jabari/Paolo, is there any chance they'll look to move Isaac to balance the roster?

I don't understand the need to trade Issac at this point. If they trade him its going to be for a not so good return. Then people are going to complain that we traded him for nothing.

Let this thing play out. If he returns and he's as strong of an impact player then his value rises and you can leverage that for better deals/packages for another player or he can be apart of the core. Also, this team needs good talent to help the team win games. Issac when he's on the floor is a plus player who plays within the system.

Making trades just for the sake of making trade with no actual greater purpose for a team like the Magic makes absolutely no sense. This is the talent allocation/development process right now. This team needs all the talent they can get. Worry about Fit/Contracts/Trades later.

[MagicFan101]

I think it's more of a case of it's harder to identify who can be a star, not that there won't be any. We absolutely don't know just like we didn't know guys like Giannis and Gobert and McCollum would be the best in 2013 despite it being a weaker draft to most people.

Even the Edwards-Wiseman-Ball draft was considered to be the weakest in a long time and two of those guys are already looking incredibly promising. If we mean Doncic-LeBron-Duncan level prospects, yeah, I agree, but talent wise.. the ceilings are open for any of these guys in the first round.

But yeah, most of these top 5 guys would be welcome additions.

Yes, the Doncic level “SUPER STAR” is what I am talking about. That is what this roster needs. I don’t see it in this class. Sure, there is always a chance a surprise like Giannis or Jokic or Kawhi pops out of the later picks but we know the names considered for #1 overall.


I 100% expect Jabari and Paolo to be excellent NBA players … just not Doncic / Duncan level. Chet worries me given his frame but the talent is there.

So my point is, I’m not going to stress myself out over this draft. We will be getting a very good player. Possibly a multi-year All-Star. That’s great!

We still need to push for a franchise SUPER STAR or we are going to be stuck first round exit mode as we were in the Vuc-era. Perhaps this pick pushes us back into relevancy enough that someone wants to take our $$$?

I love the hindsight talk of Luka. I personally had Luka as #1 in the 2018 draft and was confident he was going to be a star, but a majority of posters on here were skeptical of him and scared of Euro flops specifically with Mario being a bust for us and his lack of athleticism.

Clearly other people in the NBA had the same worries because he wasn't the #1 pick.

So how do you know this draft can't have a player that ends up being a top 5-10 player in this league in their prime? You don't, nobody does. That's where scouting, development, & coaching comes into play.

That class was loaded.

Ayton and Luka were my 1a/1b.

JJJ is the current NBA blocks leader and a fantastic player.

Trae is Trae. Nothing else needs to be said.

Bagley is the one bum but that’s what you get from the Kings.

Luka is the example I ran with from someone else’s post. Still, that year had high expectations and the hype where every team in the top 5 felt they had a shot at a SUPER STAR. A few did in fact get theirs and a few for some very good All Stars while one got a bum.

This draft does not have the same feeling. It feels like a draft where we are going to have some very good players and even an All Star or two at the top but no SUPER STARS.