2022 NBA Draft Part II

[CP War Hawks]

Browsing through the measurables, I see a few guys that rise up the boards from their 2nd rd projections: Justin Lewis, Jalen Williams, Harper Jr., and Roddy.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Browsing through the measurables, I see a few guys that rise up the boards from their 2nd rd projections: Justin Lewis, Jalen Williams, Harper Jr., and Roddy.

not sure it moves the needle much for me - especially for Harper. i think he was guy whose length was apparent, but that doesn't change the fact he's a huge fat ass with an inconsistent jump shot (and a low release). i think with his production and an improved (senior season - you hope that isn't a fluke) 3pt% he's a guy you could take a flyer on in the second round - but i thought that before the measurements.

but seriously, how did Ron Harper's kid get damn fat? dude was always on the thin side - especially as a younger player.

[jman3134]

Someone please explain Gabriele Procida's measurements: 6'7 3/4'' w/ a 6'8 wingspan, but a 8'10 standing reach, the same as Leonard Miller and Dalen Terry, who both have 7' wingspans. Are his shoulders nose level? Or, more likely, they got something wrong.

[gipper08]

Ivey was the PG for Purdue this year though. Averaged 4 assist per 40 minutes.
Who do you think was the better PG?

Westbrook had Collison on his team as PG in college and still managed 5 assists per 40.

I think for context it's quite different. Westbrook definitely has better passing skills than Ivey

Ivey was not the PG for Purdue. He was the SF. I am pretty sure he did play one second at point.

Yes, he has high bust potential.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Someone please explain Gabriele Procida's measurements: 6'7 3/4'' w/ a 6'8 wingspan, but a 8'10 standing reach, the same as Leonard Miller and Dalen Terry, who both have 7' wingspans. Are his shoulders nose level? Or, more likely, they got something wrong.

there is some weird standing reach measurement like it seems every draft and it is so weird. i have no explanation.

(edit) to add to the confusion regarding standing reach, procida's hands are also ultra small. 8" hands. so he's not even getting extra height from big hands/long fingers - lol.

[CP War Hawks]

Harper needs to tighten up on the diet of course. Draymond was the same way pre draft and it broadened his athletic ceiling once he got on top of it.

I wouldn't touch him with a first, but he can find a good home in the 2nd rd considering he probably wasn't going to get drafted or late rd filler.

[jman3134]

Someone please explain Gabriele Procida's measurements: 6'7 3/4'' w/ a 6'8 wingspan, but a 8'10 standing reach, the same as Leonard Miller and Dalen Terry, who both have 7' wingspans. Are his shoulders nose level? Or, more likely, they got something wrong.

there is some weird standing reach measurement like it seems every draft and it is so weird. i have no explanation.

(edit) to add to the confusion regarding standing reach, procida's hands are also ultra small. 8" hands. so he's not even getting extra height from big hands/long fingers - lol.

The body fat %'s are the most glaringly hilarious thing wrong with the measurements, off by ~7% on each measurement. But, those are off across the board.

But, this height/wingspan/standing reach measurement here makes next to 0 sense and there is no reasonable explanation.

Tough to compare apples to apples when you have outliers like this. Also 3.8% body fat for Procida. With that level of body fat, the guy belongs in a hospital, not on a basketball court.

[DaddyCool19]

Maybe they mixed up his standing reach with another player? Maybe Kendall Brown? That guy is 0,5 inch taller and his eingspan is 3 inches longer but his reach is 3 inches shorter

[Duke4life831]

So will any team touch Trevor Keels in the 1st round? His athletic testing went horrible today (Drew Timme out performing him...). Below average measurements for a "big guard" 6'4 and with a 6'7 wingspan, to go with a horrible 13.5% body fat.

No clue how he is even near some 1st round discussions in some mock drafts.

[MalonesElbows]

Someone please explain Gabriele Procida's measurements: 6'7 3/4'' w/ a 6'8 wingspan, but a 8'10 standing reach, the same as Leonard Miller and Dalen Terry, who both have 7' wingspans. Are his shoulders nose level? Or, more likely, they got something wrong.

Players have tanked this measurement in the past to make their vertical leap measure higher. Is it a smart thing to do? Not sure.

[NO-KG-AI]

Kofi Cockburn's 293 pounds at 8% bodyfat is sick lol.

I really wanted to see the top guys measurements. It's always those guys that don't want to get measured, and then also grow 3 inches in their first NBA Season :/

[shangrila]

So far...

Winners:
Dominick Barlow - 6-10 with a 7-3 wingspan is nice. He's a fairly interesting sleeper for me.
Dyson Daniels - Nearly 6-8 in shoes, even without an amazing wingspan, gives him some nice positional versatility
Tari Eason - Big hands, good wingspan and height. Just a confirmation that he's the prototype of what you look for in this kind of archetype.
Nikola Jovic - 6-11 gives him some real chance at guarding bigs once he puts some weight on. Might soothe some of the defensive concerns.
Wendell Moore - 7ft wingspan on a 6-5.5 frame is nice.
Gabriele Procida - Freakishly tall shoulders
Mark Williams - Those measurements are insane, but expected
Patrick Baldwin - 6-10 with a 7-1 wingspan gives him that combo forward, maybe even small ball 5 versatility.

Losers:
T-Rex Arms - Braun and Besson measuring with shorter wingspans than their height isn't great. Not necessarily a death sentence but not great either.
Drew Timme - I don't get what he's doing here to begin with honestly but 15.7% fat for a 6-9 guy?
Short 2 Guards - Rollins (6-3) and Terquavion (6-4) probably needed to be a lot taller if they wanted to be full time 2s. Even as combos both are going to have to find the perfect fit to even make it in the league and that's far from a guarantee.

Weird:
Roddy - 261 with only 11.6% fat is bizarre on a 6-6 guy.
Matthew Mayer - Conversely, 216 with 11.1% fat on a 6-9 guy is also weird.
Gabriele Procide - Seriously, wtf is up with those shoulders?

There's probably more but that's what stood out to me.

[Duke4life831]

Kofi Cockburn's 293 pounds at 8% bodyfat is sick lol.

I really wanted to see the top guys measurements. It's always those guys that don't want to get measured, and then also grow 3 inches in their first NBA Season :/

Yup, I guarantee by the start of the season we will hear from teams that Jabari or Paolo have grown to be legit 7 footers...

[Duke4life831]

So far...

Winners:
Dominick Barlow - 6-10 with a 7-3 wingspan is nice. He's a fairly interesting sleeper for me.
Dyson Daniels - Nearly 6-8 in shoes, even without an amazing wingspan, gives him some nice positional versatility
Tari Eason - Big hands, good wingspan and height. Just a confirmation that he's the prototype of what you look for in this kind of archetype.
Nikola Jovic - 6-11 gives him some real chance at guarding bigs once he puts some weight on. Might soothe some of the defensive concerns.
Wendell Moore - 7ft wingspan on a 6-5.5 frame is nice.
Gabriele Procida - Freakishly tall shoulders
Mark Williams - Those measurements are insane, but expected
Patrick Baldwin - 6-10 with a 7-1 wingspan gives him that combo forward, maybe even small ball 5 versatility.

Losers:
T-Rex Arms - Braun and Besson measuring with shorter wingspans than their height isn't great. Not necessarily a death sentence but not great either.
Drew Timme - I don't get what he's doing here to begin with honestly but 15.7% fat for a 6-9 guy?
Short 2 Guards - Rollins (6-3) and Terquavion (6-4) probably needed to be a lot taller if they wanted to be full time 2s. Even as combos both are going to have to find the perfect fit to even make it in the league and that's far from a guarantee.

Weird:
Roddy - 261 with only 11.6% fat is bizarre on a 6-6 guy.
Matthew Mayer - Conversely, 216 with 11.1% fat on a 6-9 guy is also weird.
Gabriele Procide - Seriously, wtf is up with those shoulders?

There's probably more but that's what stood out to me.

Id throw in Trevor Keels as well. Drew Timme out performed him in the athletic tests. When Drew Timme is out performing a guard in the athletic tests, you know its not going well. Then also throw in the only having a 6'7 wingspan and a 13+% body fat.

[jman3134]

Someone please explain Gabriele Procida's measurements: 6'7 3/4'' w/ a 6'8 wingspan, but a 8'10 standing reach, the same as Leonard Miller and Dalen Terry, who both have 7' wingspans. Are his shoulders nose level? Or, more likely, they got something wrong.

Players have tanked this measurement in the past to make their vertical leap measure higher. Is it a smart thing to do? Not sure.

Not sure that is what is happening though because most of them are ballpark within range and he is a random outlier. If your theory was correct, then everyone would have had to tank the measurement except Procida.

[BoyzNTheHood]

So far...

Winners:
Dominick Barlow - 6-10 with a 7-3 wingspan is nice. He's a fairly interesting sleeper for me.
Dyson Daniels - Nearly 6-8 in shoes, even without an amazing wingspan, gives him some nice positional versatility
Tari Eason - Big hands, good wingspan and height. Just a confirmation that he's the prototype of what you look for in this kind of archetype.
Nikola Jovic - 6-11 gives him some real chance at guarding bigs once he puts some weight on. Might soothe some of the defensive concerns.
Wendell Moore - 7ft wingspan on a 6-5.5 frame is nice.
Gabriele Procida - Freakishly tall shoulders
Mark Williams - Those measurements are insane, but expected
Patrick Baldwin - 6-10 with a 7-1 wingspan gives him that combo forward, maybe even small ball 5 versatility.

Losers:
T-Rex Arms - Braun and Besson measuring with shorter wingspans than their height isn't great. Not necessarily a death sentence but not great either.
Drew Timme - I don't get what he's doing here to begin with honestly but 15.7% fat for a 6-9 guy?
Short 2 Guards - Rollins (6-3) and Terquavion (6-4) probably needed to be a lot taller if they wanted to be full time 2s. Even as combos both are going to have to find the perfect fit to even make it in the league and that's far from a guarantee.

Weird:
Roddy - 261 with only 11.6% fat is bizarre on a 6-6 guy.
Matthew Mayer - Conversely, 216 with 11.1% fat on a 6-9 guy is also weird.
Gabriele Procide - Seriously, wtf is up with those shoulders?

There's probably more but that's what stood out to me.

Jalen Williams 7 foot wingspan on his 6'5" body is an outlier as well.

[CptCrunch]

You guys need to stop focusing on body fat % from NBA combines. Their methodology is pure bunk when viewed as absolute numbers. The only thing that should matter is that if someone is < 10% with NBA measurement, their body is fine without too much fat. You get into the 15% range, they are a basically fatty with too much excess fat deposit (think Jokic at beginning of season every year).

Interpret these body fat % on a relative scale, not in absolute terms.

[jman3134]

Measurement winners:
Mark Williams 7'2, 7'6 1/2'' wingspan, 9'9 standing reach (same as Rudy Gobert)
Jalen Williams 6'5 3/4'', 7'2 1/4'' wingspan, 8'9 1/2'' Standing Reach
Patrick Baldwin 6'10 1/4'', 7'1 3/4'' wingspan, 9'2 1/2'' standing reach
Walker Kessler 7'1, 7'4 1/4'' wingspan, 9'5 standing reach
Dominick Barlow 6'9 3/4'', 7'3 wingspan, 9'0 1/2'' standing reach
Iverson Molinar 6'3 1/4'', 6'8 wingspan, 8'5 standing reach
MarJon Beauchamp 6'6 1/2'', 7'0 3/4'' wingspan, 8'10 standing reach
Dalen Terry 6'7 1/4'', 7'0 3/4'' wingspan, 8'10 standing reach
Dyson Daniels 6'7 1/2'', 6'10 1/2'' wingspan, 8'9 standing reach

[CptCrunch]

On a related note, it is difficult to not express how insane Mark Williams' measurements are.

True 7+ foot center with a 9'9" standing reach. That is the 2nd highest reach record after Tacko Fall. I believe below is a complete list of players with 9'5.5"+ reach in recorded combine history.

Fall: 10'2.5"
Williams: 9'9"
Podkolzin (???): 9'8"
Bamba: 9'7.5"
Bol Bol: 9'7.5"
Gobert: 9'7"
McGee: 9'6.5"
Jordan: 9'6.5"
Haywood: 9'5.5"

The top of the list seems pretty bust proof in terms of getting a starting center. Mark Williams moves better than all of these players, maybe aside from McGee.

[jman3134]

You guys need to stop focusing on body fat % from NBA combines. Their methodology is pure bunk when viewed as absolute numbers. The only thing that should matter is that if someone is < 10% with NBA measurement, their body is fine without too much fat. You get into the 15% range, they are a basically fatty with too much excess fat deposit (think Jokic at beginning of season every year).

Interpret these body fat % on a relative scale, not in absolute terms.

I posted that I think normalized if you tack on 7% to the NBA numbers, this gives you a legit range of what they are on an absolute basis. Some of the results are pretty impressive on a relative scale. Anyone sub 15% body fat (7% in the NBA Combine numbers) is really in incredible shape for a pro athlete.

A lot of it doesn't matter because sometimes playing weight might be different than what they cut to reach these metrics. I think it depends on play style (see Luka/prime Harden).