2022 NBA Draft Part II

[shangrila]

Yup a standing reach 2" taller than Rudy Gobert. He is in the true freak tier.

underrated in sooooo many ways in general. Williams is going to be a high quality big in the league.

I dont think he will be underrated for too long. I think he most likely ends up being a top 10 pick.

If I’m Detroit I’d be taking a long look at him at 5 honestly.

[shangrila]

So far...

Winners:
Dominick Barlow - 6-10 with a 7-3 wingspan is nice. He's a fairly interesting sleeper for me.
Dyson Daniels - Nearly 6-8 in shoes, even without an amazing wingspan, gives him some nice positional versatility
Tari Eason - Big hands, good wingspan and height. Just a confirmation that he's the prototype of what you look for in this kind of archetype.
Nikola Jovic - 6-11 gives him some real chance at guarding bigs once he puts some weight on. Might soothe some of the defensive concerns.
Wendell Moore - 7ft wingspan on a 6-5.5 frame is nice.
Gabriele Procida - Freakishly tall shoulders
Mark Williams - Those measurements are insane, but expected
Patrick Baldwin - 6-10 with a 7-1 wingspan gives him that combo forward, maybe even small ball 5 versatility.

Losers:
T-Rex Arms - Braun and Besson measuring with shorter wingspans than their height isn't great. Not necessarily a death sentence but not great either.
Drew Timme - I don't get what he's doing here to begin with honestly but 15.7% fat for a 6-9 guy?
Short 2 Guards - Rollins (6-3) and Terquavion (6-4) probably needed to be a lot taller if they wanted to be full time 2s. Even as combos both are going to have to find the perfect fit to even make it in the league and that's far from a guarantee.

Weird:
Roddy - 261 with only 11.6% fat is bizarre on a 6-6 guy.
Matthew Mayer - Conversely, 216 with 11.1% fat on a 6-9 guy is also weird.
Gabriele Procide - Seriously, wtf is up with those shoulders?

There's probably more but that's what stood out to me.

Id throw in Trevor Keels as well. Drew Timme out performed him in the athletic tests. When Drew Timme is out performing a guard in the athletic tests, you know its not going well. Then also throw in the only having a 6'7 wingspan and a 13+% body fat.

Keels is the kind of guy where the idea is better than the actual player.

I’d love a rugged, tough combo guard that can hit open shots, move the ball and play defence. But Keels isn’t really hitting shots, isn’t a great defender and the passing is just ok.

[eminence]

The measurements on Williams are great and I'd be looking at him with a top 10 pick, but I think his mobility is getting overhyped here. He's in the same mobility bracket as Gobert, McGee and DeAndre are/were certainly more mobile than in their younger years.

[Onus]

The measurements on Williams are great and I'd be looking at him with a top 10 pick, but I think his mobility is getting overhyped here. He's in the same mobility bracket as Gobert, McGee and DeAndre are/were certainly more mobile than in their younger years.

Yea if i remember correctly didn't gobert have really good lane agility score? But Williams should def go higher than currently projected. He's going to be able to anchor a great defense and if he can punish teams for going small he should be fine.

[jman3134]

Spoiler:

Am I the only guy who thinks Lofton Jr will be one of the better players in this draft?

This would not shock me at all. He bucks the typical mold and this usually means many are slow to catch on. The guy is a baller, but there are still huge question marks on his ability to stay on the floor from a defensive standpoint. He had quite a few foul calls at the G League Elite and I will be closely watching to see how he handles switches at the Combine. This is after he dropped 25 lbs. He still could cut a bit more, but his offensive instincts are pretty elite and if he is hitting 3's at a ~40% clip, it will be hard to keep him on the bench.

My guess is that he is relegated to the G League to make the defensive adjustments and continue getting into better game shape.

[MemphisX]

Spoiler:

Am I the only guy who thinks Lofton Jr will be one of the better players in this draft?

This would not shock me at all. He bucks the typical mold and this usually means many are slow to catch on. The guy is a baller, but there are still huge question marks on his ability to stay on the floor from a defensive standpoint. He had quite a few foul calls at the G League Elite and I will be closely watching to see how he handles switches at the Combine. This is after he dropped 25 lbs. He still could cut a bit more, but his offensive instincts are pretty elite and if he is hitting 3's at a ~40% clip, it will be hard to keep him on the bench.

My guess is that he is relegated to the G League to make the defensive adjustments and continue getting into better game shape.

He probably needs to drop 30 more and get a bit more cut. He definitely talented though.

[SelfishPlayer]

Dalen Terry put up some interesting measurements for a combo guard. He has the length to mature into someone that can defend small forwards and perhaps PFs further down the line similar to another Arizona player Andre Iguodala. He has skill, just lacks aggression. Shake Milton is another slim 7' wingspan combo guard that he compares favorably.

Wendell Moore with a 7' wingspan appears like he will have a long career.

Jalen Williams with a 7'2" wingspan, wow. Not too many players with his level of skill have that kind of wingspan. If he had more explosiveness he would have been a much greater prospect sooner.

Peyton Watson with the 7' wingspan and 8'11" standing reach, yeah he still has wonderful potential as a wing.

Jabari Walker, unimpressive for a PF.

Gabriele Procida, exceptional standing reach for a SG, unimpressive wingspan for a wing. It all depends on what role you project him. I wouldn't project him to defend SFs all day long.

[clyde21]

So is AJ Griffin not going to at least do measurements? That seems like a weird choice to me. I get maybe not doing the athletic testing, but I would think he would do physical measurements because he should come away looking great after those.

disagree...I think he would've came in at 6-4, it's at least worth something to maintain the 6-6 mystery

[azcatz11]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

[SelfishPlayer]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

[WargamesX]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

I don’t think there is a single guy in this draft that is a Ray Allen level Talent.

[azcatz11]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

I did caveat with the 'hot take' and I doubt he does but if he does I wouldn't be shocked. Terry just plays way bigger than Mathurin and is a way better playmaker. I believe Clyde suggested he could be a Scottie Barnes type playmaker at the next level (albeit a poor mans' version)

[SelfishPlayer]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

I don’t think there is a single guy in this draft that is a Ray Allen level Talent.

That's your opinion of a prospect that was drafted #5 overall after his junior season.

[clyde21]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

i think what you just post is much more of a shocker lol

[SelfishPlayer]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

I did caveat with the 'hot take' and I doubt he does but if he does I wouldn't be shocked. Terry just plays way bigger than Mathurin and is a way better playmaker. I believe Clyde suggested he could be a Scottie Barnes type playmaker at the next level (albeit a poor mans' version)

I understand what you are seeing. You probably haven't considered that Mathurin will be spammed in the NBA as a scorer taking advantage of switches onto big men, running the pick and roll, etc.. All of the things that make good offensive players look great. The lane in the NBA is wide open for the sweet shooting Mathurin's high flying dunks. Mathurin is A Quality pasSER although Terry is a more willing facilitator. Mathurin has potential as a #1 scoring option. Terry is like Iguodala, has a slight reflectance to shooting although nowhere near the level of Ben Simmons.

[clyde21]

I have a hot take - Terry will go ahead of Mathurin. There's going to be a team who thinks they can turn him into Scottie Barnes. I could be wrong

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

I did caveat with the 'hot take' and I doubt he does but if he does I wouldn't be shocked. Terry just plays way bigger than Mathurin and is a way better playmaker. I believe Clyde suggested he could be a Scottie Barnes type playmaker at the next level (albeit a poor mans' version)

don't think that was me

I comp'd to a less athletic version of Iggy on offense.

[CptCrunch]

Wow. I view Mathurin as having Ray Allen level talent. Shocker seeing someone type that.

I did caveat with the 'hot take' and I doubt he does but if he does I wouldn't be shocked. Terry just plays way bigger than Mathurin and is a way better playmaker. I believe Clyde suggested he could be a Scottie Barnes type playmaker at the next level (albeit a poor mans' version)

I understand what you are seeing. You probably haven't considered that Mathurin will be spammed in the NBA as a scorer taking advantage of switches onto big men, running the pick and roll, etc.. All of the things that make good offensive players look great. The lane in the NBA is wide open for the sweet shooting Mathurin's high flying dunks. Mathurin is A Quality pasSER although Terry is a more willing facilitator. Mathurin has potential as a #1 scoring option. Terry is like Iguodala, has a slight reflectance to shooting although nowhere near the level of Ben Simmons.

Mathurin is just a bit boring. Decent at everything, excellent at nothing.

Certainly a good prospect, but he is a a rookie contract away from being a NBA prospect. It's difficult to fantasize about his potential when he is just a cookie-cutter-decent at every shooting guard. He can develop into a great player, but that is development.

No one can really accurately predict development given public domain information. Sure if a team has insider info on his home life, lifestyle habits (video gaming like Ayton, hoeing like Young Socialite, clubbing like Harden) and work ethics, they can potentially make a better read. We as online observers cannot make such determinations.

[Duke4life831]

So is AJ Griffin not going to at least do measurements? That seems like a weird choice to me. I get maybe not doing the athletic testing, but I would think he would do physical measurements because he should come away looking great after those.

disagree...I think he would've came in at 6-4, it's at least worth something to maintain the 6-6 mystery

Just from an eye test, he was always bigger than Moore and Keels, so at minimum I think he comes in at 6'6 with a 7' wingspan.

[SelfishPlayer]

I did caveat with the 'hot take' and I doubt he does but if he does I wouldn't be shocked. Terry just plays way bigger than Mathurin and is a way better playmaker. I believe Clyde suggested he could be a Scottie Barnes type playmaker at the next level (albeit a poor mans' version)

I understand what you are seeing. You probably haven't considered that Mathurin will be spammed in the NBA as a scorer taking advantage of switches onto big men, running the pick and roll, etc.. All of the things that make good offensive players look great. The lane in the NBA is wide open for the sweet shooting Mathurin's high flying dunks. Mathurin is A Quality pasSER although Terry is a more willing facilitator. Mathurin has potential as a #1 scoring option. Terry is like Iguodala, has a slight reflectance to shooting although nowhere near the level of Ben Simmons.

Mathurin is just a bit boring. Decent at everything, excellent at nothing.

Certainly a good prospect, but he is a a rookie contract away from being a NBA prospect. It's difficult to fantasize about his potential when he is just a cookie-cutter-decent at every shooting guard. He can develop into a great player, but that is development.

No one can really accurately predict development given public domain information. Sure if a team has insider info on his home life, lifestyle habits (video gaming like Ayton, hoeing like Young Socialite, clubbing like Harden) and work ethics, they can potentially make a better read. We as online observers cannot make such determinations.

Impossible for a guy that has dunked on as many people as he has to be considered boring.

[CptCrunch]

I understand what you are seeing. You probably haven't considered that Mathurin will be spammed in the NBA as a scorer taking advantage of switches onto big men, running the pick and roll, etc.. All of the things that make good offensive players look great. The lane in the NBA is wide open for the sweet shooting Mathurin's high flying dunks. Mathurin is A Quality pasSER although Terry is a more willing facilitator. Mathurin has potential as a #1 scoring option. Terry is like Iguodala, has a slight reflectance to shooting although nowhere near the level of Ben Simmons.

Mathurin is just a bit boring. Decent at everything, excellent at nothing.

Certainly a good prospect, but he is a a rookie contract away from being a NBA prospect. It's difficult to fantasize about his potential when he is just a cookie-cutter-decent at every shooting guard. He can develop into a great player, but that is development.

No one can really accurately predict development given public domain information. Sure if a team has insider info on his home life, lifestyle habits (video gaming like Ayton, hoeing like Young Socialite, clubbing like Harden) and work ethics, they can potentially make a better read. We as online observers cannot make such determinations.

Impossible for a guy that has dunked on as many people as he has to be considered boring.

Is he an excellent hidden slashing talent or something? We are talking about excitement with respect to his skill set, skillset combination, not how exciting a player is in-game.