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Post#141 » by gigantes » Sun May 15, 2022 2:31 pm

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GTR11 wrote:Brian Lewis and ND aka Bob. Not looking it up, been posted here too.

IIRC, what they *actually* talked about was that KI, KD & Tsai were allegedly involved in the future coaching discussion, with some people concluding that Kenny's firing was 'all KI/KD' or that a rift grew between Marks and Kenny on top of that.

There were also reports that Kenny was on his way out anyway as 'merely a development coach,' and saw the writing on the wall with how much autonomy was handed to KD & KI, and therefore decided to walk early.

One thing I can tell you for sure-- if it really was a rock-solid affirmative that Tsai and Tsai alone fired Kenny, then such would be vastly more known and remembered amongst fans. And yet it's not.

It doesn't even make sense anyway that a guy as sensible and hands-off as Tsai would just barge in as a new owner and fire the coach on his word alone. That's just silly.

No, it was definitely stated that Tsai went directly to the players to discuss Atkinson. The thought at the time was it was mostly Kyrie, Jordan and Dinwiddie. KD was rehabbing, but said it sounded like we lacked "Championship Habits." The main point of contention was a clearly defined pecking order, and the fact that Kenny was willing to die on the hill that Allen was better than Jordan. Kenny was obviously right.

Tsai went to the players; fine, I don't need a source for that. But so what? A new owner's going to want to meet all the important people anyway.

Still doesn't mean Tsai unilaterally decided to fire anybody. Doesn't even mean he had anything to do with it at all. It's all just speculation and hearsay, as usual.
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Post#142 » by GTR11 » Mon May 16, 2022 12:15 pm

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gigantes wrote:IIRC, what they *actually* talked about was that KI, KD & Tsai were allegedly involved in the future coaching discussion, with some people concluding that Kenny's firing was 'all KI/KD' or that a rift grew between Marks and Kenny on top of that.

There were also reports that Kenny was on his way out anyway as 'merely a development coach,' and saw the writing on the wall with how much autonomy was handed to KD & KI, and therefore decided to walk early.

One thing I can tell you for sure-- if it really was a rock-solid affirmative that Tsai and Tsai alone fired Kenny, then such would be vastly more known and remembered amongst fans. And yet it's not.

It doesn't even make sense anyway that a guy as sensible and hands-off as Tsai would just barge in as a new owner and fire the coach on his word alone. That's just silly.

No, it was definitely stated that Tsai went directly to the players to discuss Atkinson. The thought at the time was it was mostly Kyrie, Jordan and Dinwiddie. KD was rehabbing, but said it sounded like we lacked "Championship Habits." The main point of contention was a clearly defined pecking order, and the fact that Kenny was willing to die on the hill that Allen was better than Jordan. Kenny was obviously right.

Tsai went to the players; fine, I don't need a source for that. But so what? A new owner's going to want to meet all the important people anyway.

Still doesn't mean Tsai unilaterally decided to fire anybody. Doesn't even mean he had anything to do with it at all. It's all just speculation and hearsay, as usual.

So what? Are you serious? He send a message saying I'm the man while throwing everything that Mark's did under the bus. It allowed Kyrie burn any culture that was build into ashes. Than went and proceeded to hire his and KD friend as a HC giving highest contract. Let alone forcing Marks to trade for Harden because he hates Morey and than trading Harden away without letting Marks to see what's out there.

If you ignore all of that and say " so what " than I don't even know what to say.
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Re: ***Official 2021-22 Offseason Thread*** 

Post#143 » by MrDollarBills » Tue May 17, 2022 1:48 am

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Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable. KD is something else man, wtf?

I'm also high right now and i don't know how he can function doing an interview with David Letterman. I can barely keep my eyes open :lol:
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Post#144 » by GTR11 » Tue May 17, 2022 4:51 am

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I'm really starting to worm up to KD/Kyrie for AD/Russ trade. Let them send 2025 & 2027 unprotected 1st, not looking bad to me at all.

I have more trust in Marks building around Ben and AD with assets, than seeing current **** show.

Just thinking that he can flip Russ for Beal, Spida or someone we not expecting to be traded gives me more hope and excitement tbh.

Why Steve Trash ain't fired yet?
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Post#145 » by GTR11 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:03 am

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“We didn’t talk during that time,” Irving admitted. “When I look back on what I was going through at that time, I wish I did, because it would’ve been a good understanding of what the future will hold for both of us and we know how much power we both had together. Me and him in the league together running Cleveland, and then being able to put a better team together every single year would’ve definitely been worth it.” 

That will sound familiar to Brooklyn fans, with Irving talked about co-managing the Nets with Durant. He admits he watched James’ famous machinations behind the scenes with interest; that’s probably informed how he goes about his business in Brooklyn now. 


Next time I'll here Dinwiddie and Jordan fired Kenny, I'll shove this reports in their face. Truth will come out sooner or later, it's just how the things are. When the last time you heard role players been able to fire a coach, let alone them not being starters? :lol:

If Tsai still listening to anything that Kyrie and KD have to say, I'm going to lose it. Dude moving towards being Dolan 2.0
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Re: ***Official 2021-22 Offseason Thread*** 

Post#146 » by MrDollarBills » Tue May 17, 2022 10:52 am

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“We didn’t talk during that time,” Irving admitted. “When I look back on what I was going through at that time, I wish I did, because it would’ve been a good understanding of what the future will hold for both of us and we know how much power we both had together. Me and him in the league together running Cleveland, and then being able to put a better team together every single year would’ve definitely been worth it.” 

That will sound familiar to Brooklyn fans, with Irving talked about co-managing the Nets with Durant. He admits he watched James’ famous machinations behind the scenes with interest; that’s probably informed how he goes about his business in Brooklyn now. 


Next time I'll here Dinwiddie and Jordan fired Kenny, I'll shove this reports in their face. Truth will come out sooner or later, it's just how the things are. When the last time you heard role players been able to fire a coach, let alone them not being starters? :lol:

If Tsai still listening to anything that Kyrie and KD have to say, I'm going to lose it. Dude moving towards being Dolan 2.0



The very idea that Spencer Dinwiddie got Kenny fired and Kyrie/KD had no hand in it whatsoever is a load of crap.
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Post#147 » by NetsWorld » Tue May 17, 2022 12:20 pm

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I'm really starting to worm up to KD/Kyrie for AD/Russ trade. Let them send 2025 & 2027 unprotected 1st, not looking bad to me at all.

I have more trust in Marks building around Ben and AD with assets, than seeing current **** show.

Just thinking that he can flip Russ for Beal, Spida or someone we not expecting to be traded gives me more hope and excitement tbh.

Why Steve Trash ain't fired yet?



Except the Nets won't trade KD/Kyrie yet until they now the rebuilding phase is upon us. If anything, the rumors swirling around seem like LeBron wants to be a Net and that the Lakers want him gone for how much control he has over that franchise. LeBron has hinted at **** like this before. I don't mind getting LBJ but how will the rest of the roster pan out is the bigger question and you need a good coaching staff to keep them in check. I wish Marks found a way to nab Popovich.
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Post#148 » by Mulhollanddrive » Tue May 17, 2022 2:20 pm

Would you guys do Irving for Ayton?
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Post#149 » by MrDollarBills » Tue May 17, 2022 3:25 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Would you guys do Irving for Ayton?


Yep as long as we can find another team to flip Ben to in the process.
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Post#150 » by gigantes » Wed May 18, 2022 1:02 am

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TheNetsFan wrote:No, it was definitely stated that Tsai went directly to the players to discuss Atkinson. The thought at the time was it was mostly Kyrie, Jordan and Dinwiddie. KD was rehabbing, but said it sounded like we lacked "Championship Habits." The main point of contention was a clearly defined pecking order, and the fact that Kenny was willing to die on the hill that Allen was better than Jordan. Kenny was obviously right.

Tsai went to the players; fine, I don't need a source for that. But so what? A new owner's going to want to meet all the important people anyway.

Still doesn't mean Tsai unilaterally decided to fire anybody. Doesn't even mean he had anything to do with it at all. It's all just speculation and hearsay, as usual.

So what? Are you serious? He send a message saying I'm the man while throwing everything that Mark's did under the bus. It allowed Kyrie burn any culture that was build into ashes. Than went and proceeded to hire his and KD friend as a HC giving highest contract. Let alone forcing Marks to trade for Harden because he hates Morey and than trading Harden away without letting Marks to see what's out there.

If you ignore all of that and say " so what " than I don't even know what to say.

I'm sorry, but... I don't even know what you're saying at this point.

Are you trying to say that Tsai just waltzed in here, made a couple of brassy moves as a noobie owner, overriding the chief of basketball operations, then sort of faded back in to the shadows?

Literally nothing Tsai's done since he got here shows me he's that kind of owner. Nothing. Other than not committing suicide by bucking Dictator Xi, he's been the soul of reason AFAIK.

In any case, if you do eventually track down those links, feel free to share. Peace.
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Post#151 » by GTR11 » Wed May 18, 2022 5:38 am

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gigantes wrote:Tsai went to the players; fine, I don't need a source for that. But so what? A new owner's going to want to meet all the important people anyway.

Still doesn't mean Tsai unilaterally decided to fire anybody. Doesn't even mean he had anything to do with it at all. It's all just speculation and hearsay, as usual.

So what? Are you serious? He send a message saying I'm the man while throwing everything that Mark's did under the bus. It allowed Kyrie burn any culture that was build into ashes. Than went and proceeded to hire his and KD friend as a HC giving highest contract. Let alone forcing Marks to trade for Harden because he hates Morey and than trading Harden away without letting Marks to see what's out there.

If you ignore all of that and say " so what " than I don't even know what to say.

I'm sorry, but... I don't even know what you're saying at this point.

Are you trying to say that Tsai just waltzed in here, made a couple of brassy moves as a noobie owner, overriding the chief of basketball operations, then sort of faded back in to the shadows?

Literally nothing Tsai's done since he got here shows me he's that kind of owner. Nothing. Other than not committing suicide by bucking Dictator Xi, he's been the soul of reason AFAIK.

In any case, if you do eventually track down those links, feel free to share. Peace.

Feel free to re-read what been posted here during past 2 years.

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Communism ( from the word community )/socialism was created in Western Europe and studied by Lenin ( while in exile). Corporate oligarchy was scared of its popularity during 1930 ( because of universal healthcare, unions, social security etc ) and rest you can find yourself. Won't push my lock here talking about history instead of bball.
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Post#152 » by gigantes » Wed May 18, 2022 7:14 am

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GTR11 wrote:So what? Are you serious? He send a message saying I'm the man while throwing everything that Mark's did under the bus. It allowed Kyrie burn any culture that was build into ashes. Than went and proceeded to hire his and KD friend as a HC giving highest contract. Let alone forcing Marks to trade for Harden because he hates Morey and than trading Harden away without letting Marks to see what's out there.

If you ignore all of that and say " so what " than I don't even know what to say.

I'm sorry, but... I don't even know what you're saying at this point.

Are you trying to say that Tsai just waltzed in here, made a couple of brassy moves as a noobie owner, overriding the chief of basketball operations, then sort of faded back in to the shadows?

Literally nothing Tsai's done since he got here shows me he's that kind of owner. Nothing. Other than not committing suicide by bucking Dictator Xi, he's been the soul of reason AFAIK.

In any case, if you do eventually track down those links, feel free to share. Peace.

Feel free to re-read what been posted here during past 2 years.

I've been here, reading most discussions, reading ND, the national sites, r/NBA and r/GoNets.

Joe Tsai did not unilaterally fire Kenny Atkinson, according to any real sources.

I don't know what you think you read, but it's not my problem at this point. The fact that this particular convo has dragged on for days, and that you haven't been able to find any evidence in that time, doesn't really surprise me anymore. So I withdraw the question.

In future, I suggest we not waste each others' time via conversation. Feel free to have the last response, but I don't think I have anything more to add. Cheers.
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Post#153 » by IceManBK1 » Wed May 18, 2022 4:39 pm

Irving to Min for Dlo and McDaniels and 1st
Simmons to Knicks for Randle and Mitchell

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Post#154 » by Stone » Thu May 19, 2022 11:43 am

So far I like what I'm hearing. Ky admitting he made mistakes (Cavs) and Sean Marks let's see if it is "The right fit for everyone". I see it as Sean diplomatically sending a message to Kyrie that he is the GM and if your not all in and we can't agree on your roll with the Nets, we are moving on.
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Post#155 » by NetsWorld » Thu May 19, 2022 12:30 pm

Warriors won't be able to retain all of their players, Otto Porter Jr, Wiggins, etc.... Could be available. Nets gotta look and see what's affordable. Wiggins would address our issue at the wing in terms of size.
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Post#156 » by Fallout_3 » Thu May 19, 2022 12:45 pm

IceManBK1 wrote:Irving to Min for Dlo and McDaniels and 1st
Simmons to Knicks for Randle and Mitchell

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Curry
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Post#157 » by TheNetsFan » Thu May 19, 2022 6:32 pm

KD35Netted wrote:Warriors won't be able to retain all of their players, Otto Porter Jr, Wiggins, etc.... Could be available. Nets gotta look and see what's affordable. Wiggins would address our issue at the wing in terms of size.

Trading for Wiggins would require Kyrie, Ben or Joe+another sizable salary. He would fit a need, but is not attainable for us.
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Post#158 » by MrDollarBills » Fri May 20, 2022 4:11 pm

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So yall still want to pretend that KD isn't apart of the problem?
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Post#159 » by Eatgreenz » Fri May 20, 2022 8:33 pm

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So yall still want to pretend that KD isn't apart of the problem?

In Kd's defense this interview was done before the season. No way he could feel like that now especially if his watching the playoffs
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Post#160 » by Stone » Fri May 20, 2022 10:23 pm

I hope that this "Stars league" BS runs it course. I'm surprised to hear it from KD, it more like something you expect fans to post on these forums.
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