Who do you want us to take at #1?

[zaymon]

You only need to watch 5 minutes of Jabari Smith film to see how limited player he really is.
1-2 dribble moves are his limit.
He creates tough looks for himself and no easy looks for his teammates. Dwayne Bacon syndrome.
He is not a lockdown defender. If i remember correctly Banchero is better defending 1vs1.
I will be devastated if we draft Smith. He is a player i would accept at 6 but i wont accept at 1.

[jezzerinho]

I think Jabari is more likely to develop a better handle than Chet is to gain weight. We should know better than anyone that certain body types just don't add weight.

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Ok, let's play, this looks interesting.

Rank from most to least what's more likely within a rookie contract term?

1) Chet gains enough muscle to function in the paint without losing what makes him special?

2) Paolo has a DRTG under 105 and shoots >35% from 3?

3) Jabari develops his handle to the point his 2pt efficiency% is league average for a 4?

4) Sharpe shoots 37% from 3 and has a DRTG under 105?

5) Ivey shoots >35% from 3 and averages >4.5 AST?

Feel free to add more!

[basketballRob]

You only need to watch 5 minutes of Jabari Smith film to see how limited player he really is.
1-2 dribble moves are his limit.
He creates tough looks for himself and no easy looks for his teammates. Dwayne Bacon syndrome.
He is not a lockdown defender. If i remember correctly Banchero is better defending 1vs1.
I will be devastated if we draft Smith. He is a player i would accept at 6 but i wont accept at 1.

Jabari is like a vacuum for defenders on the perimeter. He'll draw a lot of attention from Franz.

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[drsd]

I am really enjoying this Smith vs. Holmgren discussion, with a pinch of Banchero sprinkled on top.

Maybe we need a : "Trade Isaac right NOW !" thread.

[89Magicfan]

I’m not sold on Smith either. Just doesn’t seem to be a player who you draft at 1. His offensive arsenal seems limited. The Lauri comparison screams to me when I watch.

If I knew he can stay healthy, and he might if you keep him on the perimeter more, I rather select Chet. I’d probably even select Paolo over Smith based on talent. Or Sharpe’s potential.

in many draft's, Smith would not be in consideration for #1. in many drafts, Oladipo wouldnt be a top-5 pick. we dont get to take our #1 pick and choose which draft we use it in, and this is the class of prospects we have to choose. doesnt mean Smith wont be a good player.

A draft like this you draft a guy who has tools and expand on them. A guy like Chet, you hope he gains strength, increase his perimeter game. A guy like Banchero you try to get him to hone in on defense a little more and expand on his ability to score. With Smith, you’re not expanding. You’re hoping you can add ball handling and 2 more levels of scoring ability.

What Smith does, he does well but you’re not just expanding. You’re building a player which is far more difficult and has failed time and time again.

[basketballRob]

I think Jabari is more likely to develop a better handle than Chet is to gain weight. We should know better than anyone that certain body types just don't add weight.

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Ok, let's play, this looks interesting.

Rank from most to least what's more likely within a rookie contract term?

1) Chet gains enough muscle to function in the paint without losing what makes him special?

2) Paolo shoes enough defence and perimeter shooting to make him a fully-rounded player?

3) Jabari develops his handle to the point his 2pt efficiency% is league average for a 4?

4) Sharpe shoots 37% from 3 and is a league average defending SG?

5) Ivey shoots >35% from 3 and averages >4.5 AST?

Feel free to add more!

When I hear people say, "wait until Chet gains weight", I laugh. I've been hearing this for the last 6 years with the Magic. He is what he is.

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[89Magicfan]

You only need to watch 5 minutes of Jabari Smith film to see how limited player he really is.
1-2 dribble moves are his limit.
He creates tough looks for himself and no easy looks for his teammates. Dwayne Bacon syndrome.
He is not a lockdown defender. If i remember correctly Banchero is better defending 1vs1.
I will be devastated if we draft Smith. He is a player i would accept at 6 but i wont accept at 1.

Jabari is like a vacuum for defenders on the perimeter. He'll draw a lot of attention from Franz.

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Right but you don’t draft those guys at 1. You sign those guys as FA’s because the guy you got a 1 needs the space.

[jezzerinho]

I think Jabari is more likely to develop a better handle than Chet is to gain weight. We should know better than anyone that certain body types just don't add weight.

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Ok, let's play, this looks interesting.

Rank from most to least what's more likely within a rookie contract term?

1) Chet gains enough muscle to function in the paint without losing what makes him special?

2) Paolo has a DRTG under 105 and shoots >35% from 3?

3) Jabari develops his handle to the point his 2pt efficiency% is league average for a 4?

4) Sharpe shoots 37% from 3 and has a DRTG under 105?

5) Ivey shoots >35% from 3 and averages >4.5 AST?

Feel free to add more!

Modified slightly..

[swarlesbarkley]

As of May 19, I'm officially team Paolo.

I think defense can be coached much easier than offense. Honestly think we'd look pretty dangerous with a Franz/Paolo wing combo - sort of like Tatum/Brown where both wings can handle and score - I'd put Franz/Paolo as better passers than the Boston duo though - which, on paper, would be super dangerous and tough to guard.

Paolo also looks to have the highest BBIQ of the top guys.

[89Magicfan]

I think Jabari is more likely to develop a better handle than Chet is to gain weight. We should know better than anyone that certain body types just don't add weight.

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Ok, let's play, this looks interesting.

Rank from most to least what's more likely within a rookie contract term?

1) Chet gains enough muscle to function in the paint without losing what makes him special?

2) Paolo shoes enough defence and perimeter shooting to make him a fully-rounded player?

3) Jabari develops his handle to the point his 2pt efficiency% is league average for a 4?

4) Sharpe shoots 37% from 3 and is a league average defending SG?

5) Ivey shoots >35% from 3 and averages >4.5 AST?

Feel free to add more!

When I hear people say, "wait until Chet gains weight", I laugh. I've been hearing this for the last 6 years with the Magic. He is what he is.

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Chet will never be Dwight or Giannis but he’s far from reaching his potential strength wise.

You don’t draft him to be of that mold anyways. You draft him to be a mix of KD/Gasol/Kukoc.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

You only need to watch 5 minutes of Jabari Smith film to see how limited player he really is.
1-2 dribble moves are his limit.
He creates tough looks for himself and no easy looks for his teammates. Dwayne Bacon syndrome.
He is not a lockdown defender. If i remember correctly Banchero is better defending 1vs1.
I will be devastated if we draft Smith. He is a player i would accept at 6 but i wont accept at 1.

how dare he not go full iso and go away from what he is good at which is shooting over anyone. Just about every defensive stat has Jabari better than Banchero. Defensive win shares, Defensive B+-, Defensive rating but go on

[drsd]

A draft like this you draft a guy who has tools and expand on them. A guy like Chet, you hope he gains strength, increase his perimeter game. A guy like Banchero you try to get him to hone in on defense a little more and expand on his ability to score. With Smith, you’re not expanding. You’re hoping you can add ball handling and 2 more levels of scoring ability.

What Smith does, he does well but you’re not just expanding. You’re building a player which is far more difficult and has failed time and time again.

I really dont buy this argument. Look at Gordon, for 6 years he was a considtent jumper from being great. Out of Arizona it was all about, "he just needs to add that one skill".

Players don't really change as the leave their teens to their 20s; they get better at what they already do. If Smith can't dribble now, he can't dribble in the future. If Banchero can't play mediocre level defense now, he will always be a sub-par man-defender. And Holmgren will always be skinny and will always struggle to defend post players.

These are my views. Are there perfect players coming to the draft? Yes. Players that had all their NBA skills before playing : Ja Morant, Luka Dončić, Markelle Fultz (oops), Jayson Tatum, Karl-Anthony Towns, Nikola Jokić (ho was he a 2nd rounder ???), Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant, etc.


I don't get why scouts look so hard a "upside" and not enough at, "is already an excellent player". Very few of tghe above players went #1. Why ?!?!??!

Joel Embiid might be the one guy that developed a new NBA skill (the 3-ball) to be a complete player. It's rare and it's hard.


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[bigdogdylan5]

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I'm tired of the disrespect we've got since the draft lottery

Can you summarize what they said?

[Magic_Kingdom]

That's the problem with this draft. Does anyone think Jabari is a superstar? No, but who is at the top of this draft? But this is what Welt tanked for so one thing he cannot do is pick a bust. He likely won't bust with Jabari or Paolo. He could possibly bust with Chet.

In the NCAA tourney, Memphis and Arkansas put big, strong guards on Chet and limited his effectiveness. As tiderulez has pointed out, his numbers against ranked teams were dramatically different from his numbers against the bulk of the West Coast Conference. There just isn't a lot of evidence of a body like that thriving in the NBA, where the players are bigger and stronger, the games are longer, the season is *way* longer. Kevin Durant came out of college skinny and under-developed but he was, and is, an offensive assassin.

If Welt wants a star he should seriously consider trading this pick. But he won't.

[zaymon]

As of May 19, I'm officially team Paolo.

I think defense can be coached much easier than offense. Honestly think we'd look pretty dangerous with a Franz/Paolo wing combo - sort of like Tatum/Brown where both wings can handle and score - I'd put Franz/Paolo as better passers than the Boston duo though - which, on paper, would be super dangerous and tough to guard.

Paolo also looks to have the highest BBIQ of the top guys.

Thank god someone else sees it. I have similar thoughts about are team building. Celtics are wrecking the league after slow start. Their composition seems very well thought and synergistic. I would even expand your comparison.

Smart- Suggs
Brown/Tatum- Banchero/Wagner
Horford- Wendell Carter Junior
Last spot is flexible. We have Isaac, Fultz, Okeke, maybe Harris or Ross.

Similarities are striking !
There is only one propable elite creator in the draft and its Banchero.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

That's the problem with this draft. Does anyone think Jabari is a superstar? No, but who is at the top of this draft? But this is what Welt tanked for so one thing he cannot do is pick a bust. He likely won't bust with Jabari or Paolo. He could possibly bust with Chet.

In the NCAA tourney, Memphis and Arkansas put big, strong guards on Chet and limited his effectiveness. As tiderulez has pointed out, his numbers against ranked teams were dramatically different from his numbers against the bulk of the West Coast Conference. There just isn't a lot of evidence of a body like that thriving in the NBA, where the players are bigger and stronger, the games are longer, the season is *way* longer. Kevin Durant came out of college skinny and under-developed but he was, and is, an offensive assassin.

If Welt wants a star he should seriously consider trading this pick. But he won't.

Imagine watching Isaac the last 3-4 years and then seeing Chet and not having massive worries/nightmares about that whole scenario replaying. Yeah it's super unlucky but it definitely has to weigh in on the decision.

[basketballRob]

Chet is going to get manhandled in summer league and I'll be hiding my head.

[89Magicfan]

A draft like this you draft a guy who has tools and expand on them. A guy like Chet, you hope he gains strength, increase his perimeter game. A guy like Banchero you try to get him to hone in on defense a little more and expand on his ability to score. With Smith, you’re not expanding. You’re hoping you can add ball handling and 2 more levels of scoring ability.

What Smith does, he does well but you’re not just expanding. You’re building a player which is far more difficult and has failed time and time again.

I really dont buy this argument. Look at Gordon, for 6 years he was a considtent jumper from being great. Out of Arizona it was all about, "he just needs to add that one skill".

Players don't really change as the leave their teens to their 20s; they get better at what they already do. If Smith can't dribble now, he can't dribble in the future. If Banchero can't play mediocre level defense now, he will always be a sub-par man-defender. And Holmgren will always be skinny and will always struggle to defend post players.

These are my views. Are there perfect players coming to the draft? Yes. Players that had all their NBA skills before playing : Ja Morant, Luka Dončić, Markelle Fultz (oops), Jayson Tatum, Karl-Anthony Towns, Nikola Jokić (ho was he a 2nd rounder ???), Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant, etc.


I don't get why scouts look so hard a "upside" and not enough at, "is already an excellent player". Very few of tghe above players went #1. Why ?!?!??!

Joel Embiid might be the one guy that developed a new NBA skill (the 3-ball) to be a complete player. It's rare and it's hard.


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You’re actually making my argument for me by bringing up AG. Dude was never going to be Paul George. He didn’t have the mind or skills to be that. He was Blake Griffin, Marion type of player. They should have expanded on his skills (rebounding, defense,etc). Instead Vogel wanted to completely build a new one by thrusting him into some wannabe 3 level scorer who was potentially Grant Hill like. That to me held AG back. He thought he was something he wasn’t.

With Smith you have to build because as of right now, his game is a shooter. He’s not a scorer. He gets you points but not because of his array of offensive abilities. He can do one thing really well. Shoot. You have to build other skills for him to be a scorer. You have to build his ball handling, his offensive awareness, his at the rim abilities, etc etc. In the NBA shooting will always be a need but you don’t draft a shooter at 1 and build him to hopefully be a scorer. You draft a scorer hoping he can expand his shot to respectable levels so he can open up things for his natural skills to elevate even higher. To make things easier.

I’m not saying Smith will be Pat Garrity which ain’t a bad thing. He’s probably a Rashard Lewis/Tobias mix. Good player to sign. Not one I’d draft at 1 in this draft.

[ChosenSavior]

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I'm tired of the disrespect we've got since the draft lottery

Can you summarize what they said?

They basically crapped all over the Magic and the city of Orlando. Stated that they wish the #1 pick went to literally anyone else but us.

[Optimus_Steel]

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Schmitz is spot on. Chet has that dawg in him. You pair him with Franz and Jalen who are also both uber-competitors and you don't look back. Focus on the future.. and count on their work ethics to develop the necessary skills.

Also, stop looking at Chet like he's a 5.. he's not a 5 he's a wing. On D he'll gravitate towards protecting the bucket naturally but with finesse. He's already at his age a shot blocking savant and not from brute force but from impeccable timing.

He's best comp on offense is a taller KD. You take BPA with #1 and that's Holmgren.

If he can't move around like a wing then he is not a wing.