Who do you want us to take at #1?

[basketballRob]

This is one of my biggest red flags with Smith.

He did take a lot of two-point shots just inside the three-point line. He needs to take a page out of Franz's book and just don't shoot shots in the mid-range.

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He couldnt make more than 2-3 dribbles in the halfcourt thats the problem. Wagner handle is looking like Kyrie Irving next to Jabari.

Jabari is a superior mid-range shooter compared to Franz and he needs to learn not to settle. 32.2% on 10'-15 shots and 40% from 15'-3 pt. line. Franz 31% from 10-16 and 25% from 16-3 pt.

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[3ddman23]

Interesting question
would franz go # 1 in this draft? lol

I dont think so, but realistically will any of these top 3 be better then franz?

[Skin]

If we take Chet number 1 I'm not gonna be mad. I lost the right to be mad after I was mad we drafted Franz. I made a fool of myself with how wrong I was so I suspended myself from being mad at their selection for a year. So no matter what I will not complain. Having said that I'm legit curious to those who want to take Chet number 1. What is it about his game that makes you think he can be a star? Lets pretend his body fills out enough ( which I think it will). What about his game indicates star? Like do you think that hes gonna be so dominate on the defensive side that he will be a star? I personally think he could be as good as JI was before the injury on defense. Before the injury JI was playing out of his mind on the defensive side. I think he can get there without question but is that a star? Does anyone think he's even good enough to be a third option offensively? If so based on what? He's not braking anyone down of the dribble, He can shot but not as good as Jabari and not the level of tough shots as Jabari. I watched him a bunch this year. I just dont see a star offensively. Defensively I'm pretty sold. The thing I wonder is how much he didn't get to show at Gonzaga cause Timme was the primary option

I was very high on Wagner before the draft, I had him one spot before Suggs. I am not so high on Chet. His handle is overrated, he couldnt create much in the halfcourt. Isaac is much more athletic than Holmgren. Isaac can stay in front of anybody, girafe moving like a lion. Holmgren is mobile for a 7 footer but he cant stay in front of quicker wings let alone guards. I love his attitude, i would pick him second, but Holmgren is in another league offensively imo.

Can Jabari become a taller, more athletic Klay Thompson? I don't see him as a comp being thrown around but Klay is known for being a jump shooter and a guy who doesn't need to dribble to score - also a guy in his prime who was a top league defender (just below Kawhi).

If that's the case, is Jabari worth a #1? Is Klay who he is without Steph and Draymond?

Thompson work in GSW offense becouse he is great decision maker and passer, he could also drive to the rim. Smith forces tough shots and is really limited offensively.

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How anyone can compare Paolo to Klay is beyond me. Paolo would DREAM of being able to shoot like him.
Thompson is much more similar to Banchero when you watch film.

[basketballRob]

I can't find Banchero's shooting stats. He just can't get a good shot off when it's heavily contested like Jabari can.

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[Bensational]

What every team left in the playoffs has in common ? Lanky shooter who cant get to the rim hitting tough shots or big, thick, wing/forward who can get to the rim and create for other's ? Doncic, Green, Butler, Tatum, Brown. You can even mention Horford, Dinwiddie. How many lanky shooters who cant dribble or pass ??.... Well Dallas traded one at the deadline and became better..... I dont see any player similar to Jabari (or Holmgren for that matter) on a very good team.
I am very scared we will draft Smith or Holmgren and it will end up a disaster like Bamba (which i didnt like and wanted WCJ).

ps. Wagner and Banchero will be a splendid tandem becouse they are both triple threats and they both can pass. Fultz is a little worse fit but good passers always find a way and Paolo shot over 80% from free throw line before college.

This feels very prisoner of the moment to try to emulate which players are having success right now. Just go back a season and elite PGs and perimeter shooting were looking like the premium piece (Young, Paul, Booker).

I do agree that a playmaking big-wing seems to historically be one of the more impactful players who shows up in the finals (Giannis, LeBron, Durant, Kawhi, etc). Is Banchero good enough to be discussed in their company? He may prove to be. I really like his handles and bounce in his footwork.

With Jabari, he'll never be as good as Paolo as a ball handler, but he may not need to be. Jabari already is an outlier as far as his shooting prowess for his size, and that will have a lot of gravity. I look at these highlights of Dirk in the finals and don't see anything in his handles that Jabari can't replicate. Chet, for that matter, could develop some moves from Dirk's cache, too.

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[Skin]

You know, a comp I haven't heard for Jabari yet is Brandon Ingram. I know Ingram showed more ability/willingness to drive/dribble but I think it's a pretty interesting comp.

No that's a pretty bad comparison. Ingram was a smooth flowing 3 level scorer who can make things happen on his own. Jabari is a stiff 3 point shooter who needs someone to pass him the ball. I've never heard anyone get the excuse "he played with bad guards" like him before.

[Skin]

Schmitz is spot on. Chet has that dawg in him. You pair him with Franz and Jalen who are also both uber-competitors and you don't look back. Focus on the future.. and count on their work ethics to develop the necessary skills.

Also, stop looking at Chet like he's a 5.. he's not a 5 he's a wing. On D he'll gravitate towards protecting the bucket naturally but with finesse. He's already at his age a shot blocking savant and not from brute force but from impeccable timing.

He's best comp on offense is a taller KD. You take BPA with #1 and that's Holmgren.

If he can't move around like a wing then he is not a wing.

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[jezzerinho]

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As for Paolo I just don't like bigs who don't bring quality shot blocking and interior defence. Don't want us to have another Randle type player, I think its just not good enough to build a contender team.

Remember he's a former guard. He deserves some leeway on D for that face, but it doesn't excuse him from needing to get better fast.

[Skybox]

but realistically will any of these top 3 be better then franz?

Absolutely. Franz is fantastic and maybe someday possibly a fringe All-Star but, realistically, I think he's more of a pleasant surprise than a star. I liken him to prime Hedo - but at this level many years before Hedo did...I'm planning on us drafting a star at the top of this draft...even if it's not the strongest draft. Last year's draft was great. I predict that 2 of the top 3 will be better all-around players than Franz...but who knows which? My bets are Paolo has highest upside and Jabari highest floor...but all 3 have promising careers.

[basketballRob]

Jabari says he can play the two.

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[IllMagic04]

I can't find Banchero's shooting stats. He just can't get a good shot off when it's heavily contested like Jabari can.

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Right but Paolo can actually create separation. He also can get downhill and score at the rim.

[swarlesbarkley]

I can't find Banchero's shooting stats. He just can't get a good shot off when it's heavily contested like Jabari can.

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Jabari has the worst 2pt% out of the top 5 picks from the last 10 years.

[basketballRob]

I can't find Banchero's shooting stats. He just can't get a good shot off when it's heavily contested like Jabari can.

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Jabari has the worst 2pt% out of the top 5 picks from the last 10 years.

He was 4-21 from the 3-9' range and I'll have to deep dive into why. It looks like he may have been trying a lot of the Dirk one-legged turnarounds. He shot well from everywhere else.

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[swarlesbarkley]

I can't find Banchero's shooting stats. He just can't get a good shot off when it's heavily contested like Jabari can.

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Jabari has the worst 2pt% out of the top 5 picks from the last 10 years.

He was 4-21 from the 3-9' range and I'll have to deep dive into why. It looks like he may have been trying a lot of the Dirk one-legged turnarounds. He shot well from everywhere else.

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He took 238 two pointers in college - his 21 shots in the 3-9' range weren't the only issue. Dude shot 44% on all 2s. As a 6'10" player. That's a major concern unless we're drafting him to simply be a 3&D guy.

For comparison, Paolo shot 382 two pointers and made 53% of them. Maybe his mid-range was bad in big games but he can score at the rim much easier than Jabari and still shoot 34% from the 3 on solid volume.

[RookieStar]

*sigh* when is the earliest we get one of these guys for a workout or interview?

We kinda need more info before we spew our hot takes. We just rehashing based on the info we have on them months ago. Wanna see what more in-depth knowledge we have on them

[Skin]

Jabari says he can play the two.

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Love hearing that!

[basketballRob]

Jabari has the worst 2pt% out of the top 5 picks from the last 10 years.

He was 4-21 from the 3-9' range and I'll have to deep dive into why. It looks like he may have been trying a lot of the Dirk one-legged turnarounds. He shot well from everywhere else.

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He took 238 two pointers in college - his 21 shots in the 3-9' range weren't the only issue. Dude shot 44% on all 2s. As a 6'10" player. That's a major concern unless we're drafting him to simply be a 3&D guy.

For comparison, Paolo shot 382 two-pointers and made 53% of them. Maybe his mid-range was bad in big games but he can score at the rim much easier than Jabari and still shoot 34% from the 3 on solid volume.

How many of those shots were from 20'?

I also think Jabari's body will develop more in the next couple of years. That will probably help him. Usually, 18-year-olds make a big jump from year one to two.

I'm trying to find other 18-year-olds that got drafted in the top 10. Jabari's 2 pt% was 43.5. Lamelo's 45.8 Edwards 50.3. Patrick Williams 50.3.

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[swarlesbarkley]

He was 4-21 from the 3-9' range and I'll have to deep dive into why. It looks like he may have been trying a lot of the Dirk one-legged turnarounds. He shot well from everywhere else.

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He took 238 two pointers in college - his 21 shots in the 3-9' range weren't the only issue. Dude shot 44% on all 2s. As a 6'10" player. That's a major concern unless we're drafting him to simply be a 3&D guy.

For comparison, Paolo shot 382 two-pointers and made 53% of them. Maybe his mid-range was bad in big games but he can score at the rim much easier than Jabari and still shoot 34% from the 3 on solid volume.

How many of those shots were from 20'?

I also think Jabari's body will develop more in the next couple of years. That will probably help him. Usually, 18-year-olds make a big jump from year one to two.

I'm trying to find other 18-year-olds that got drafted in the top 10. Jabari's 2 pt% was 43.5. Lamelo's 45.8 Edwards 50.3. Patrick Williams 50.3.

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If most of those shots were from 20' then it's even worse because it means he has very little ability to get to a better percentage shot and/or no BBIQ to know to get to a better spot.

I definitely don't want to draft a guy who's going to shoot mostly 20 footers - especially at 6'10" - especially at 43%.

I'm not anti-Jabari - I actually think he works well with our current squad (assuming JI is not a factor) - but if we draft him I hope our scouting team sees that he has the ability to develop a better handle to create and become a secondary playmaker, not simply wish it into the universe like they did with JI. A high level 3&D guy most likely won't be the best player from this draft and if that's Jabari then that's a bummer at #1.

[tiderulz]

He was 4-21 from the 3-9' range and I'll have to deep dive into why. It looks like he may have been trying a lot of the Dirk one-legged turnarounds. He shot well from everywhere else.

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He took 238 two pointers in college - his 21 shots in the 3-9' range weren't the only issue. Dude shot 44% on all 2s. As a 6'10" player. That's a major concern unless we're drafting him to simply be a 3&D guy.

For comparison, Paolo shot 382 two-pointers and made 53% of them. Maybe his mid-range was bad in big games but he can score at the rim much easier than Jabari and still shoot 34% from the 3 on solid volume.

How many of those shots were from 20'?

I also think Jabari's body will develop more in the next couple of years. That will probably help him. Usually, 18-year-olds make a big jump from year one to two.

I'm trying to find other 18-year-olds that got drafted in the top 10. Jabari's 2 pt% was 43.5. Lamelo's 45.8 Edwards 50.3. Patrick Williams 50.3.

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well, he is 19 now

[nymets1]

I was at the UCF baseball home games today and I yelled JABARI SMITH JABARI SMITH a number of times toward the Cincinnati bearcat pitchers right before they throw the ball and I messed up their pitchers a number of times using JABARI SMITH JABARI SMITH. I'm so glad I was able to go to the game and use his name during live play.