Bob Cousy claps back at JJ Redick

[zeebneeb]

redick has gone from "great podcastJJ" to "hot takeJJ" on espn
so cousy nails

jj doesn't make the nba 40-60 years ago so of course he's all in on today's game

ESPN has poisoned him, turning him into a real asshat. I liked his podcast because he gave thoughtful long-form interviews with players, so the watcher/listener could gain some interesting insight.

Hot takes are a dime a dozen, real interesting conversation is a rarity these days, and now even morso with "I've gotten a little big for my britches" Reddick turning into Steven A.

Oh well, it was good while it lasted.

[coastalmarker99]

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[ChaseDown]

i like how now everyones gonna trash on Redick and pretend like he isn't rehashing the same stuff 95% of people say here. RealGM doesnt even respect 80s and 90s basketball, hell a lot of people here think 2000s ball was trash

Thread should have ended here.

JJ might have turned slightly into a hottake king but at least it’s somewhat agreeable compared to 95% of the show hosts out there.

[SOA]

I haven't read the whole thread but can someone reference me what Bob Cousy is responding to exactly? I don't really listen to Reddick......

[Pachinko_]

LOL
It's like writing on this board, if you say something logical people will usually agree or just ignore you, or both.
But if you quote someone and say the same thing it's like NO YOU ARE WRONG WHY ARE YOU TALKING TO ME LET ME TELL YOU

Redick would've got his point across just fine because there was nothing wrong with his point, except he made the mistake and named a name. No no no.

[Nate505]

I haven't read the whole thread but can someone reference me what Bob Cousy is responding to exactly? I don't really listen to Reddick......

Reddick said this about Bob Cousy:

"He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen"

Like, ok, it could even be true in a sense that then the average salary in the NBA was $15k a season in 1960 (about $150k today), so while they weren't poor by any means that some of them may have worked as plumbers and firemen in the off-season for a little extra money, I doubt that was their primary job and they played in the NBA on the side. Unless fireman and plumbers just made a ton of money back then.

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I haven't read the whole thread but can someone reference me what Bob Cousy is responding to exactly? I don't really listen to Reddick......

JJ responding to Cousy having 29 assists in a game essentially said "ya, but he was playing against a bunch of firemen and plumbers."

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I haven't read the whole thread but can someone reference me what Bob Cousy is responding to exactly? I don't really listen to Reddick......

Reddick said this about Bob Cousy:

"He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen"

Like, ok, it could even be true in a sense that then the average salary in the NBA was $15k a season in 1960 (about $150k today), so while they weren't poor by any means that some of them may have worked as plumbers and firemen in the off-season for a little extra money, I doubt that was their primary job and they played in the NBA on the side. Unless fireman and plumbers just made a ton of money back then.

It doesn't change the fact that the athleticism and skill back then was way less than today. Just youtube some Cousy highlights, half of his houdini **** would get swatted (if he would even would get to attempting one since he would be guarded by superior defenders).

[SOA]

I haven't read the whole thread but can someone reference me what Bob Cousy is responding to exactly? I don't really listen to Reddick......

Reddick said this about Bob Cousy:

"He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen"

Like, ok, it could even be true in a sense that then the average salary in the NBA was $15k a season in 1960 (about $150k today), so while they weren't poor by any means that some of them may have worked as plumbers and firemen in the off-season for a little extra money, I doubt that was their primary job and they played in the NBA on the side. Unless fireman and plumbers just made a ton of money back then.

It doesn't change the fact that the athleticism and skill back then was way less than today. Just youtube some Cousy highlights, half of his houdini **** would get swatted (if he would even would get to attempting one since he would be guarded by superior defenders).

But by that same token, if you told him to dribble the way plays get to dribble nowadays he could very well have been a much better athletically looking player.

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Reddick said this about Bob Cousy:

"He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen"

Like, ok, it could even be true in a sense that then the average salary in the NBA was $15k a season in 1960 (about $150k today), so while they weren't poor by any means that some of them may have worked as plumbers and firemen in the off-season for a little extra money, I doubt that was their primary job and they played in the NBA on the side. Unless fireman and plumbers just made a ton of money back then.

It doesn't change the fact that the athleticism and skill back then was way less than today. Just youtube some Cousy highlights, half of his houdini **** would get swatted (if he would even would get to attempting one since he would be guarded by superior defenders).

But by that same token, if you told him to dribble the way plays get to dribble nowadays he could very well have been a much better athletically looking player.

That's disingenuous. Is palming a thing these day? Yes, but that doesn't negate the quickness the game is played at these days and that can't be tought. It's like arguing with my Grandpa. It's a more fast paced and skilled game today, period.

[maxpower8888]

I haven't read the whole thread but can someone reference me what Bob Cousy is responding to exactly? I don't really listen to Reddick......

Reddick said this about Bob Cousy:

"He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen"

Like, ok, it could even be true in a sense that then the average salary in the NBA was $15k a season in 1960 (about $150k today), so while they weren't poor by any means that some of them may have worked as plumbers and firemen in the off-season for a little extra money, I doubt that was their primary job and they played in the NBA on the side. Unless fireman and plumbers just made a ton of money back then.

It doesn't change the fact that the athleticism and skill back then was way less than today. Just youtube some Cousy highlights, half of his houdini **** would get swatted (if he would even would get to attempting one since he would be guarded by superior defenders).

That's true but the players of yesterday also played with disadvantages that the players of today don't have. The balls and shoes weren't as good, they didn't have the best diets, etc. If the same players of yesteryear had the same training regiments as the players of today, those players would be just as great today as they were back then.

[Pachinko_]

He also said Cousy was going left while dribbling with his right hand, and if you try that today it will get stolen. Which is true.

[cpower]

imagine you cant dribble as good as a 90 years old grandpa. i am looking at you JJ lmao

[Nate505]

I haven't read the whole thread but can someone reference me what Bob Cousy is responding to exactly? I don't really listen to Reddick......

Reddick said this about Bob Cousy:

"He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen"

Like, ok, it could even be true in a sense that then the average salary in the NBA was $15k a season in 1960 (about $150k today), so while they weren't poor by any means that some of them may have worked as plumbers and firemen in the off-season for a little extra money, I doubt that was their primary job and they played in the NBA on the side. Unless fireman and plumbers just made a ton of money back then.

It doesn't change the fact that the athleticism and skill back then was way less than today. Just youtube some Cousy highlights, half of his houdini **** would get swatted (if he would even would get to attempting one since he would be guarded by superior defenders).

Ok, but his claim really wasn't that today's athlete is 100x better than they were in the 50s. The claim was that Cousy got 29 assists in a game because his level of competition was inferior. Like the league was full of 10 or so players that were amazing (Cousy, Wilt, Russell, etc.) and the rest were just a bunch of jabronis they scraped up from the street.

[Drax]

I wonder what JJ Reddick says to some professional athletes (plenty of olympians) who need a second job to make a living these days? Same era, same technological advancements but not enough media cloud. Are they less of athletes, less talented?

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Reddick said this about Bob Cousy:

"He was being guarded by plumbers and firemen"

Like, ok, it could even be true in a sense that then the average salary in the NBA was $15k a season in 1960 (about $150k today), so while they weren't poor by any means that some of them may have worked as plumbers and firemen in the off-season for a little extra money, I doubt that was their primary job and they played in the NBA on the side. Unless fireman and plumbers just made a ton of money back then.

It doesn't change the fact that the athleticism and skill back then was way less than today. Just youtube some Cousy highlights, half of his houdini **** would get swatted (if he would even would get to attempting one since he would be guarded by superior defenders).

Ok, but his claim really wasn't that today's athlete is 100x better than they were in the 50s. The claim was that Cousy got 29 assists in a game because his level of competition was inferior. Like the league was full of 10 or so players that were amazing (Cousy, Wilt, Russell, etc.) and the rest were just a bunch of jabronis they scraped up from the street.

In today's league the majority of them would be jabronis. Getting 29 assists would definitely be affected by the level of athleticism that exists.

[Nate505]

It doesn't change the fact that the athleticism and skill back then was way less than today. Just youtube some Cousy highlights, half of his houdini **** would get swatted (if he would even would get to attempting one since he would be guarded by superior defenders).

Ok, but his claim really wasn't that today's athlete is 100x better than they were in the 50s. The claim was that Cousy got 29 assists in a game because his level of competition was inferior. Like the league was full of 10 or so players that were amazing (Cousy, Wilt, Russell, etc.) and the rest were just a bunch of jabronis they scraped up from the street.

In today's league the majority of them would be jabronis. Getting 29 assists would definitely be affected by the level of athleticism that exists.

In today's league? Sure. But he wasn't playing at that time. He was playing at the time where he had as much athleticism as they did.

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Ok, but his claim really wasn't that today's athlete is 100x better than they were in the 50s. The claim was that Cousy got 29 assists in a game because his level of competition was inferior. Like the league was full of 10 or so players that were amazing (Cousy, Wilt, Russell, etc.) and the rest were just a bunch of jabronis they scraped up from the street.

In today's league the majority of them would be jabronis. Getting 29 assists would definitely be affected by the level of athleticism that exists.

In today's league? Sure. But he wasn't playing at that time. He was playing at the time where he had as much athleticism as they did.

You literally just made JJ's point. Don't be so stubborn now.

[fourtyounce48]

Today's high school math teacher/physics teacher probably has more knowledge than Isaac Newton. But Newton is a far greater mathematician/physicist than the vast majority of modern mathematician/physicist.

[Nate505]

In today's league the majority of them would be jabronis. Getting 29 assists would definitely be affected by the level of athleticism that exists.

In today's league? Sure. But he wasn't playing at that time. He was playing at the time where he had as much athleticism as they did.

You literally just made JJ's point. Don't be so stubborn now.

How is that making his point? At one point in the conversation he says "great players could play in any era." Probably so he won't go around talking crap about Wilt and Oscar Robertson and those guys. Then in the next point he says that he was getting guarded by plumbers and fireman. So is Cousy a great player that could play in any era, or was he just better than the supposed plumbers and fireman he was playing against?