Realistically, what can we do at this point?

[mjkvol]

Most fans want to see a championship and expect that to be the team's main focus. I wish I could be like you and celebrate early playoffs exits, bragging that there are worst teams in the NBA, but it's just not me.

There's dense, there's beyond hope of reasoning, and then there's you. I'll say it slowly so maybe you might be able to keep up:

1. I'm not "celebrating" anything, nor is anyone else here.

2. No one is "satisfied" with where we are much less "bragging" about it.

3. It's amazing that you need this explained to you, but here goes - having a top ten team in the league with two all-stars and a soon to be all-star on the roster is a lot stronger position to possibly build a championship team from than selling everyone off and counting on ping pong balls going your way so you can ... wait for it ... possibly draft all star players with the hopes of someday building into a playoff team, then a perennial playoff team, then ..... wait, that's where we are now!

[TheBallsDeeper]

I keep reading your posts over and over again.

So, the Sixers have been top 8 teams in 4 of the last 5 years.
You keep saying it ain’t good enough. Rebuild. Okay, we got your point. You don’t believe in Morey, and the Sixers aren’t good enough to win title.

But why do you believe rebuilding will absolutely make you better then being top 8? If not, rebuild again?

Because I think the goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs.

The Australian Football team I support last year won their first premiership in 57 years. For most of my life they have been terrible.

I would take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, over finishing 8th every year.

A rebuild may not make the Sixers better, but there's a chance they pull it off and win a championship, while if they stay on the current path there is zero chance. I'd rather take a small chance with a rebuild over the frustration of no chance with a slightly above-average team.

The Sixers have an MVP candidate and literally finished first this year. And we're fighting for first this year with their second best player missing for most of the year. The Heat and Celtics haven't been great the last few years and they did not tank and one will be making the finals.

If they tank, they will trying to get an MVP candidate like they have right now to compete so what's the point? Why not try to get over that hurdle like Giannis, Jimmy, Tatum while you have that guy here already? Not to mention they can a couple bench pieces and you have a guy in Maxey that could take a big step. In a few years, whether they win or not, then you can have those 20 years of tanking you yearn for.

BTW, based on your comment I assume you are Australian. I notice Australian sports fans seem the most miserable. I'm genuinely curious, do you find this to be accurate and if so, why? If this is offensive, I will remove the comment, but I have noticed a pattern of this and made me curious.

I don't find that offensive at all, and I doubt others will.

The thing with Australian sports fans is - as a pretty hard rule - you don't change teams. I've noticed a lot of American fans seem to change to the winners, or follow superstars and don't have a real sense of loyalty. A few cities like Philly and Boston seem to be more like Australians in they way they stick with their teams, but also expect loyalty back and the frustration builds up. Probably why Philly and Boston fans are generally disliked by fans of other teams

Off topic - Another Australian rule that the Americans don't adhere to - you can't give yourself a nickname. Anyone that does will be called wanker or a flog. Kobe was a prime example, but the NBA is full of them.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Most fans want to see a championship and expect that to be the team's main focus. I wish I could be like you and celebrate early playoffs exits, bragging that there are worst teams in the NBA, but it's just not me.

There's dense, there's beyond hope of reasoning, and then there's you. I'll say it slowly so maybe you might be able to keep up:

1. I'm not "celebrating" anything, nor is anyone else here.

2. No one is "satisfied" with where we are much less "bragging" about it.

3. It's amazing that you need this explained to you, but here goes - having a top ten team in the league with two all-stars and a soon to be all-star on the roster is a lot stronger position to possibly build a championship team from than selling everyone off and counting on ping pong balls going your way so you can ... wait for it ... possibly draft all star players with the hopes of someday building into a playoff team, then a perennial playoff team, then ..... wait, that's where we are now!

As I've mentioned several times - the Sixers are not going to be able to build a championship team paying the ghost of James Harden $60m per year. That's what this was all about, You've said that you agree with that, but it's great that the sixers are a top 10-12 team. Good for you if you want that, but not all of us enjoyed seeing the Heat beat the Sixers.

[Jailblazers7]

Six months ago people were wondering if Boston who blow it up and trade one of the J’s and now they’re favored to win it all. Whether we all like it or not, our best chance at a title is to keep Harden and build around him, Embiid, and Maxey. At this point, I think everyone is onboard with the fact that Harden shouldn’t get a super max and I’d be surprised if he got it. Seems like you are just advocating a full rebuild so you can pretend you care more about winning or something.

[sixers4real]

Some quotes from you

"Being on a treadmill means you are a middling team with no hope of improving. You might believe that about this team, and I might have doubts about whether this can be made into a championship team, but the fact remains they were one of the final eight teams standing and there are 22 teams that can't say that."

"(The Sixers) are among the 10-12 best teams in the league year in and year out",

If there was a dictionary definition for "accepting slightly above mediocrity", your posts in this thread would be used as a definition.

Most fans want to see a championship and expect that to be the team's main focus. I wish I could be like you and celebrate early playoffs exits, bragging that there are worst teams in the NBA, but it's just not me.

I keep reading your posts over and over again.

So, the Sixers have been top 8 teams in 4 of the last 5 years.
You keep saying it ain’t good enough. Rebuild. Okay, we got your point. You don’t believe in Morey, and the Sixers aren’t good enough to win title.

But why do you believe rebuilding will absolutely make you better then being top 8? If not, rebuild again?

Because I think the goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs.

The Australian Football team I support last year won their first premiership in 57 years. For most of my life they have been terrible.

I would take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, over finishing 8th every year.

A rebuild may not make the Sixers better, but there's a chance they pull it off and win a championship, while if they stay on the current path there is zero chance. I'd rather take a small chance with a rebuild over the frustration of no chance with a slightly above-average team.

I would also take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, so would 90% of the posters here, no question.

But, unfortunately, it does not work that way. Even after being 20 years bottom team in the league, you are not guaranteed to be even in the top 8, as the Sixers are right now.

Now, the main difference between you and some posters here, including me:
You say there is 0% that current Embiid core can win title.
Most of us believe it’s at least 5% chance for a title for the rest of Embiids career. So yeah, having that 5% is good enough not to start a new rebuild.

[zaz102]

Because I think the goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs.

The Australian Football team I support last year won their first premiership in 57 years. For most of my life they have been terrible.

I would take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, over finishing 8th every year.

A rebuild may not make the Sixers better, but there's a chance they pull it off and win a championship, while if they stay on the current path there is zero chance. I'd rather take a small chance with a rebuild over the frustration of no chance with a slightly above-average team.

The Sixers have an MVP candidate and literally finished first this year. And we're fighting for first this year with their second best player missing for most of the year. The Heat and Celtics haven't been great the last few years and they did not tank and one will be making the finals.

If they tank, they will trying to get an MVP candidate like they have right now to compete so what's the point? Why not try to get over that hurdle like Giannis, Jimmy, Tatum while you have that guy here already? Not to mention they can a couple bench pieces and you have a guy in Maxey that could take a big step. In a few years, whether they win or not, then you can have those 20 years of tanking you yearn for.

BTW, based on your comment I assume you are Australian. I notice Australian sports fans seem the most miserable. I'm genuinely curious, do you find this to be accurate and if so, why? If this is offensive, I will remove the comment, but I have noticed a pattern of this and made me curious.

I don't find that offensive at all, and I doubt others will.

The thing with Australian sports fans is - as a pretty hard rule - you don't change teams. I've noticed a lot of American fans seem to change to the winners, or follow superstars and don't have a real sense of loyalty. A few cities like Philly and Boston seem to be more like Australians in they way they stick with their teams, but also expect loyalty back and the frustration builds up. Probably why Philly and Boston fans are generally disliked by fans of other teams

Off topic - Another Australian rule that the Americans don't adhere to - you can't give yourself a nickname. Anyone that does will be called wanker or a flog. Kobe was a prime example, but the NBA is full of them.

Thanks for the explanation. Not sure if it was purposely, but I see similarities to a lot Philly fans especially the Angelo Cataldi crowd if your familiar with that radio show.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Most fans want to see a championship and expect that to be the team's main focus. I wish I could be like you and celebrate early playoffs exits, bragging that there are worst teams in the NBA, but it's just not me.

There's dense, there's beyond hope of reasoning, and then there's you. I'll say it slowly so maybe you might be able to keep up:

1. I'm not "celebrating" anything, nor is anyone else here.

2. No one is "satisfied" with where we are much less "bragging" about it.

3. It's amazing that you need this explained to you, but here goes - having a top ten team in the league with two all-stars and a soon to be all-star on the roster is a lot stronger position to possibly build a championship team from than selling everyone off and counting on ping pong balls going your way so you can ... wait for it ... possibly draft all star players with the hopes of someday building into a playoff team, then a perennial playoff team, then ..... wait, that's where we are now!

As I've mentioned several times - the Sixers are not going to be able to build a championship team paying the ghost of James Harden $60m per year. That's what this was all about, You've said that you agree with that, but it's great that the sixers are a top 10-12 team. Good for you if you want that, but not all of us enjoyed seeing the Heat beat the Sixers.

You make a good point a bout Harden. He's definitely NOT the guy to pay 50 million dollars to (or however much it is). Either way though...Currently...Going into next season...Harden is going to be here for a minimum of one full season with us. Meaning that in the short term, we are much better with him then we are without him. I don't think anyone on here is sanely suggesting that we max him out after seeing what we've seen out of him since the trade went down.

Now I wasn't exactly over the moon when we did trade for him. I wanted the Haliburton deal. I wanted to get younger and keep building. I thought for sure that Morey would see Haliburton as the next steal as far a trades go. He didn't I guess. So, we're currently stuck with Harden for all of next season. After next season I don't think he comes back unless it's on a much lower price. I think he knows that, I think his agents know that, the team knows that, the entire world knows that...And...This entire forum knows that as well. So you can stop worrying about us maxing him out and being tied to him. It wont happen EVER.

So...In the meantime (while we still have him here), we have to figure out how to improve this roster in the short term. Do we continue with what we have? Retool in a few areas? Maybe get a little bit younger on the wings? That would be my initial plan. Personally I thought Embiid being injured changed the entire outcome of our playoff run. You can argue of course and say we still would have lost to Miami, but I am not going to agree with that, and the truth is, we'll never know how it would have turned out. I personally think that if Embiid is healthy, we have a chance to beat any team in this league in a seven game series. So with that said, I'm all for using the MLE to sign a decent wing player, and then trading Danny Green's expiring contract for another player that can help us. I think we'll see Paul Reed take a nice step forward next season as well, and it's not out of the question that one more young gun rises into the rotation for us. It could happen.

Either way, the sky isn't falling on this team. We're still very much in contention for next season barring major injuries to our star players. I think all 76ciology is saying is that we're a lot closer to winning it all then we are from tearing it all down. Tearing it down and rebuilding makes absolutely no sense what so ever AS LONG as Embiid is under contract here. Superstar players don't exactly grow on trees. You don't just find them any and everywhere. Teams suck for years in this league, Sacramento has been a lottery team since 2006! They still haven't drafted their franchise savior. There is absolutely no reason what so ever for us to just rebuild. Some of us actually sat through the ten win season we had. I take it you didn't? NO...We wont be doing that again any time soon. This team has a good 3-4 year run in it and if we draft right, and some of our young guys develop it could be even longer. The biggest obstacle with this team has been being healthy at the right time. Embiid has been hurt the last two seasons, Ben Simmons was out against the Celtics in the bubble. That's been the last three years of our playoffs. It's injuries holding us back.

[TheBallsDeeper]

I keep reading your posts over and over again.

So, the Sixers have been top 8 teams in 4 of the last 5 years.
You keep saying it ain’t good enough. Rebuild. Okay, we got your point. You don’t believe in Morey, and the Sixers aren’t good enough to win title.

But why do you believe rebuilding will absolutely make you better then being top 8? If not, rebuild again?

Because I think the goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs.

The Australian Football team I support last year won their first premiership in 57 years. For most of my life they have been terrible.

I would take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, over finishing 8th every year.

A rebuild may not make the Sixers better, but there's a chance they pull it off and win a championship, while if they stay on the current path there is zero chance. I'd rather take a small chance with a rebuild over the frustration of no chance with a slightly above-average team.

I would also take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, so would 90% of the posters here, no question.

But, unfortunately, it does not work that way. Even after being 20 years bottom team in the league, you are not guaranteed to be even in the top 8, as the Sixers are right now.

Now, the main difference between you and some posters here, including me:
You say there is 0% that current Embiid core can win title.
Most of us believe it’s at least 5% chance for a title for the rest of Embiids career. So yeah, having that 5% is good enough not to start a new rebuild.

I'm not saying that a core with Embiid core can win a title - I believe that right now he is the best player in the NBA.

What I believe is, there is 0% chance of winning a title with Harden's contract killing the team. A declining Harden and a serviceable Harris on huge money makes it impossible to add anything worthwhile. So - in my opinion - being in a position with zero chance to realistically push for a championship, there are two options - stay on the early exit treadmill with a few individual player awards, or trade the biggest asset and let the dead wood walk.

[Iverson Armband]

Because I think the goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs.

The Australian Football team I support last year won their first premiership in 57 years. For most of my life they have been terrible.

I would take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, over finishing 8th every year.

A rebuild may not make the Sixers better, but there's a chance they pull it off and win a championship, while if they stay on the current path there is zero chance. I'd rather take a small chance with a rebuild over the frustration of no chance with a slightly above-average team.

I would also take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, so would 90% of the posters here, no question.

But, unfortunately, it does not work that way. Even after being 20 years bottom team in the league, you are not guaranteed to be even in the top 8, as the Sixers are right now.

Now, the main difference between you and some posters here, including me:
You say there is 0% that current Embiid core can win title.
Most of us believe it’s at least 5% chance for a title for the rest of Embiids career. So yeah, having that 5% is good enough not to start a new rebuild.

I'm not saying that a core with Embiid core can win a title - I believe that right now he is the best player in the NBA.

What I believe is, there is 0% chance of winning a title with Harden's contract killing the team. A declining Harden and a serviceable Harris on huge money makes it impossible to add anything worthwhile. So - in my opinion - being in a position with zero chance to realistically push for a championship, there are two options - stay on the early exit treadmill with a few individual player awards, or trade the biggest asset and let the dead wood walk.

1) as has been stated a million times, the Sixers aren’t maxing harden

2)Tobias will most likely be moved this offseason. Let’s see what we get back

3) it seems like you’re just arguing to argue at this point

[mjkvol]

As I've mentioned several times - the Sixers are not going to be able to build a championship team paying the ghost of James Harden $60m per year. That's what this was all about, You've said that you agree with that, but it's great that the sixers are a top 10-12 team. Good for you if you want that, but not all of us enjoyed seeing the Heat beat the Sixers.

Show me where I, or anyone here said we were happy and satisfied with being a top 10-12 team and losing to the Heat. You're either completely obtuse or just trolling.

[sixers4real]

Because I think the goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs.

The Australian Football team I support last year won their first premiership in 57 years. For most of my life they have been terrible.

I would take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, over finishing 8th every year.

A rebuild may not make the Sixers better, but there's a chance they pull it off and win a championship, while if they stay on the current path there is zero chance. I'd rather take a small chance with a rebuild over the frustration of no chance with a slightly above-average team.

I would also take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, so would 90% of the posters here, no question.

But, unfortunately, it does not work that way. Even after being 20 years bottom team in the league, you are not guaranteed to be even in the top 8, as the Sixers are right now.

Now, the main difference between you and some posters here, including me:
You say there is 0% that current Embiid core can win title.
Most of us believe it’s at least 5% chance for a title for the rest of Embiids career. So yeah, having that 5% is good enough not to start a new rebuild.

I'm not saying that a core with Embiid core can win a title - I believe that right now he is the best player in the NBA.

What I believe is, there is 0% chance of winning a title with Harden's contract killing the team. A declining Harden and a serviceable Harris on huge money makes it impossible to add anything worthwhile. So - in my opinion - being in a position with zero chance to realistically push for a championship, there are two options - stay on the early exit treadmill with a few individual player awards, or trade the biggest asset and let the dead wood walk.

Well, I agree that Harden is not a $45-55 million player at this point. He’s still very good, for, let’s say, $30-35 million a year.

And I bet that Morey is already searching for a new home for Tobias. So I’m very optimistic about this summer. And I believe in Morey.

So, if Harden takes less then max, Tobias is gone, you would agree with us that Sixers don’t need rebuild?

[TheBallsDeeper]

I would also take 20 years of finishing last to finish first once, so would 90% of the posters here, no question.

But, unfortunately, it does not work that way. Even after being 20 years bottom team in the league, you are not guaranteed to be even in the top 8, as the Sixers are right now.

Now, the main difference between you and some posters here, including me:
You say there is 0% that current Embiid core can win title.
Most of us believe it’s at least 5% chance for a title for the rest of Embiids career. So yeah, having that 5% is good enough not to start a new rebuild.

I'm not saying that a core with Embiid core can win a title - I believe that right now he is the best player in the NBA.

What I believe is, there is 0% chance of winning a title with Harden's contract killing the team. A declining Harden and a serviceable Harris on huge money makes it impossible to add anything worthwhile. So - in my opinion - being in a position with zero chance to realistically push for a championship, there are two options - stay on the early exit treadmill with a few individual player awards, or trade the biggest asset and let the dead wood walk.

1) as has been stated a million times, the Sixers aren’t maxing harden

2)Tobias will most likely be moved this offseason. Let’s see what we get back

3) it seems like you’re just arguing to argue at this point

You make two points based on no evidence and present them as facts - you're third point could describe your post..

[HardenGoat]

Has to be a troll. Sixers were projected to be second round exit and that was with Simmons. Then they had to put up with him not playing the entire year and the media circus and distraction it created. Then they had a mid season trade and had to integrate Harden who wasn’t even ready due to a tweaked hammy. They had to get a backup center which didn’t work out. Then Embiid was injured. They went 6 games 2 of which Embiid didn’t play in the second round against the 1 seed. They overachieved, yet we have people wanting to blow it up as a result. Not even give them a chance to play a season healthy, or plug the holes, even improve the team balance. It’s trolling.

[marcush]

Fire Morey and Brand for a start. Cannot give Daryl the opportunity to give washed Harden 250m.

Try to move Harris.

Roll with Embiid and Maxey. Haliburton would have been a nice addition to that duo.

[mjkvol]

Fire Morey and Brand for a start. Cannot give Daryl the opportunity to give washed Harden 250m.

Try to move Harris.

Roll with Embiid and Maxey. Haliburton would have been a nice addition to that duo.

No one is giving Harden 250 mil. That has become the straw man argument for everyone not happy with the Harden trade, something that has never had one iota of basis in fact. From the time of the trade, the talk has been about Harden taking less than the max to allow the Sixers some flexibility.

If you didn't like the trade, fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at least stick to the facts with regard to what might happen moving forward.

[Ferry Avenue]

Has to be a troll. Sixers were projected to be second round exit and that was with Simmons. Then they had to put up with him not playing the entire year and the media circus and distraction it created. Then they had a mid season trade and had to integrate Harden who wasn’t even ready due to a tweaked hammy. They had to get a backup center which didn’t work out. Then Embiid was injured. They went 6 games 2 of which Embiid didn’t play in the second round against the 1 seed. They overachieved, yet we have people wanting to blow it up as a result. Not even give them a chance to play a season healthy, or plug the holes, even improve the team balance. It’s trolling.

Trolling – (verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trolling

So inherent in the definition of trolling is a focus on other people -- i.e., "the intent to provoke...unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument."

To that I would say don't flatter yourself. 9 times out of 10 here someone's controversial post or point of view has everything to do with themselves and nothing to do with you. Certainly someone's intent can't be determined exclusively on the basis of how you feel in reading his post or point of view. Certainly you aren't the center of the universe from which the meaning of all events is determined.

In the end you have "trolling" being used in large part as a weapon to silence divergent viewpoints. If you can get someone labeled a "troll," well then we can get rid of him and just listen to what you think instead.

And that's the troll by the way -- the guy engaged in that process.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Fire Morey and Brand for a start. Cannot give Daryl the opportunity to give washed Harden 250m.

Try to move Harris.

Roll with Embiid and Maxey. Haliburton would have been a nice addition to that duo.

No one is giving Harden 250 mil. That has become the straw man argument for everyone not happy with the Harden trade, something that has never had one iota of basis in fact. From the time of the trade, the talk has been about Harden taking less than the max to allow the Sixers some flexibility.

If you didn't like the trade, fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at least stick to the facts with regard to what might happen moving forward.

So you are presenting something that you have no evidence of as a fact, and instructing everyone to stick to it. Ok........

[mjkvol]

Fire Morey and Brand for a start. Cannot give Daryl the opportunity to give washed Harden 250m.

Try to move Harris.

Roll with Embiid and Maxey. Haliburton would have been a nice addition to that duo.

No one is giving Harden 250 mil. That has become the straw man argument for everyone not happy with the Harden trade, something that has never had one iota of basis in fact. From the time of the trade, the talk has been about Harden taking less than the max to allow the Sixers some flexibility.

If you didn't like the trade, fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at least stick to the facts with regard to what might happen moving forward.

So you are presenting something that you have no evidence of as a fact, and instructing everyone to stick to it. Ok........

The fact is there is no evidence that Harden is going to be offered a max deal, with all the noise being about doing a deal allowing the team flexibility. But you'll manage to turn this into three or four more pages of what the meaning of "is" is, I'm sure.

[76ciology]

Read on Twitter

Your top player should be able to rise to the occassion

If your top player folds, you got no chance. Nobody wants a Danny Green and George Niang lead team in the finals.

Even Jimmy have to go into supersaiyan so they can convince the league the Heat is “must watch TV”

[blargh]

Your top player should be able to rise to the occassion

If your top player folds, you got no chance. Nobody wants a Danny Green and George Niang lead team in the finals.

Even Jimmy have to go into supersaiyan so they can convince the league the Heat is “must watch TV”

If your top player gets his face broken, you got no chance.