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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
111
51%
Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
1
0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#381 » by nymets1 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:09 am

Black and Blue wrote:The more that time goes on the more I think the pick is Chet. I didn’t realize just how close Holmgren and Suggs were and if the decision is in any way close that is a huge champion in the Magic office for him.

You don’t obviously base a decision this big on something like that, but I could very much see the front office talking themselves into Suggs-Chet as a marketable dynamic duo in the Nelson-Howard and Penny-Shaq mold.

We shall see. This is going to be an insanely long month.


Chet wouldn't get drafted solely because of 1 player on the team that they played in high school together and have a Gonzaga connection with Chet and Suggs. The entire picture/whole body of work suggests Jabari Smith should be the #1 overall pick by the Magic.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#382 » by KillMonger » Fri May 20, 2022 1:37 am

Offensively it's tough because if you watch the film then it will tell you that you can use Paolo and chet in various different ways. With Jabari if you defend him well enough he becomes kinda one dimensional.....I just didn't see a good adjustment to if his jumper wasn't falling....he just kept shooting....that's what he is, he's a sniper but at this point offensively that's all he is.....but the kid can make some really tough shots though...I mean the kind with the defense right in his face ...that's very valuable, also pretty decent perimeter defender

Chet is the pick and roll/pop threat that provides vertical and horizontal spacing I mean chet shot what 39%? Not too bad, don't even have to mention the defensive end

Banchero is the scorer, the most nba ready and the closest out of the 3 bigs to being an alpha scorer. Pick and roll as the roll man or the handler, decent enough shot to pick and pop to space....if the jumper isn't falling he has the post game to put you on the block and get buckets, very good footwork......underrated passer, knows when to make the right pass and is a very willing passer.....end of the day he's the guy you can give the ball to for creation he has enough sauce to his game to get you something out of nothing....far from one dimensional

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#383 » by basketballRob » Fri May 20, 2022 1:40 am

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swarlesbarkley wrote:
He took 238 two pointers in college - his 21 shots in the 3-9' range weren't the only issue. Dude shot 44% on all 2s. As a 6'10" player. That's a major concern unless we're drafting him to simply be a 3&D guy.

For comparison, Paolo shot 382 two-pointers and made 53% of them. Maybe his mid-range was bad in big games but he can score at the rim much easier than Jabari and still shoot 34% from the 3 on solid volume.
How many of those shots were from 20'?

I also think Jabari's body will develop more in the next couple of years. That will probably help him. Usually, 18-year-olds make a big jump from year one to two.

I'm trying to find other 18-year-olds that got drafted in the top 10. Jabari's 2 pt% was 43.5. Lamelo's 45.8 Edwards 50.3. Patrick Williams 50.3.

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well, he is 19 now
As of a couple of days ago.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#384 » by nymets1 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:49 am

This is further proof I have to stay with my gut of Jabari Smith as our pick. There's been a few people on here that bring up Chet with Jalen Suggs. Like Jalen Suggs is supposed to be the sole reason or the main reason why he should go #1 ? Chuma Okeke and Jabari Smith both played at Auburn but I don't know if they have a connection outside Auburn. I haven't seen anyone on here bringing up Jabari Smith with Chuma Okeke. I'm glad I don't work for the Magic cause I don't want to draft a player because of 1 player on our team that has a connection with Chet. With Jabari, We not hearing because of 1 particular player on the team. If I could make the selection of who to draft, I be more comfortable drafting Jabari than Chet.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#385 » by Skin » Fri May 20, 2022 1:54 am

If everyone on the team was 100% healthy and we were at the end of a game 7 with the season on the line, which 5 players would be on the floor for you? Pick 4 current Magic players and someone of your choice with this top pick.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#386 » by Airgordon00 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:58 am

Skin wrote:If everyone on the team was 100% healthy and we were at the end of a game 7 with the season on the line, which 5 players would be on the floor for you? Pick 4 current Magic players and someone of your choice with this top pick.

Fultz, Suggs, Wagner, Jabari and WCJ.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#387 » by tiderulz » Fri May 20, 2022 1:58 am

nymets1 wrote:This is further proof I have to stay with my gut of Jabari Smith as our pick. There's been a few people on here that bring up Chet with Jalen Suggs. Like Jalen Suggs is supposed to be the sole reason or the main reason why he should go #1 ? Chuma Okeke and Jabari Smith both played at Auburn but I don't know if they have a connection outside Auburn. I haven't seen anyone on here bringing up Jabari Smith with Chuma Okeke. I'm glad I don't work for the Magic cause I don't want to draft a player because of 1 player on our team that has a connection with Chet. With Jabari, We not hearing because of 1 particular player on the team. If I could make the selection of who to draft, I be more comfortable drafting Jabari than Chet.

I get that Suggs shouldnt be a point about the draft. but the circumstances are vastly different. Chuma and Jabari never played together, Chuma been gone from Auburn for 3 years. Suggs and Chet played together since middle school and won 3 HS titles together. that shouldnt really be a factor in deciding this type of draft pick, but they are not the same.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#388 » by basketballRob » Fri May 20, 2022 2:01 am

If we don't pick Jabari I think we'll regret it after seeing him shoot well over 40% from 3 each year and playing good defense.

Meanwhile, we'll be hoping that next year will be the season we start to bulk up or have the worst shooting team year after year.

Does anyone doubt that Jabari could be the best shooter we've had since JJ?

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#389 » by Skin » Fri May 20, 2022 2:02 am

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Skin wrote:If everyone on the team was 100% healthy and we were at the end of a game 7 with the season on the line, which 5 players would be on the floor for you? Pick 4 current Magic players and someone of your choice with this top pick.

Fultz, Suggs, Wagner, Jabari and WCJ.

That's a bad shooting backcourt and an equally bad defensive frontcourt.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#390 » by IllMagic04 » Fri May 20, 2022 2:02 am

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Post#391 » by Skin » Fri May 20, 2022 2:05 am

basketballRob wrote:If we don't pick Jabari I think we'll regret it after seeing him shoot well over 40% from 3 each year and playing good defense.

Meanwhile, we'll be hoping that next year will be the season we start to bulk up or have the worst shooting team year after year.

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On OKC, he would be playing the 3. His shooting and his "perimeter" defense would be perfect for them. Unless we move Franz, Jabari is not playing the 3 here. If he plays the 4 here, our interior defense would suck.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#392 » by Knightro » Fri May 20, 2022 2:08 am

Skin wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:
Skin wrote:If everyone on the team was 100% healthy and we were at the end of a game 7 with the season on the line, which 5 players would be on the floor for you? Pick 4 current Magic players and someone of your choice with this top pick.

Fultz, Suggs, Wagner, Jabari and WCJ.

That's a bad shooting backcourt and an equally bad defensive frontcourt.


I mean if Jabari ends up being the No. 1 pick, this certainly seems like it would be the starting lineup next year, right?
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#393 » by IllMagic04 » Fri May 20, 2022 2:12 am

Skin wrote:
basketballRob wrote:If we don't pick Jabari I think we'll regret it after seeing him shoot well over 40% from 3 each year and playing good defense.

Meanwhile, we'll be hoping that next year will be the season we start to bulk up or have the worst shooting team year after year.

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On OKC, he would be playing the 3. His shooting and his "perimeter" defense would be perfect for them. Unless we move Franz, Jabari is not playing the 3 here. If he plays the 4 here, our interior defense would suck.
Maybe but are you saying we should only pick a prospect that fits next to WCjr? We aren't winning next year anyway

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#394 » by Skin » Fri May 20, 2022 2:13 am

IllMagic04 wrote:https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/5/19/23125245/nba-draft-2022-paolo-banchero-orlando-magic-no-1-first-pick

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If you want somebody to take a larger chuck of the scoring load, create their own for themselves and others, you draft Jaden Ivey.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#395 » by basketballRob » Fri May 20, 2022 2:16 am

Skin wrote:
basketballRob wrote:If we don't pick Jabari I think we'll regret it after seeing him shoot well over 40% from 3 each year and playing good defense.

Meanwhile, we'll be hoping that next year will be the season we start to bulk up or have the worst shooting team year after year.

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On OKC, he would be playing the 3. His shooting and his "perimeter" defense would be perfect for them. Unless we move Franz, Jabari is not playing the 3 here. If he plays the 4 here, our interior defense would suck.
I think once Jabari adds another 20 lbs he could play small-ball center. For now, I think he would play PF and split time with JI. He's got good size, I think he's a legit 6'10 and should be able to guard the rim and rebound.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#396 » by MAGICian619 » Fri May 20, 2022 2:18 am

Skin wrote:If everyone on the team was 100% healthy and we were at the end of a game 7 with the season on the line, which 5 players would be on the floor for you? Pick 4 current Magic players and someone of your choice with this top pick.


Fultz, Suggs, Wagner, Chet, WCJ

I think this is the best lineup if we are being honest. Everyone is just worried about Chet making it to said game 7 physically. I think I’m over worrying about that. Switching to team Chet.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#397 » by IllMagic04 » Fri May 20, 2022 2:26 am

Skin wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/5/19/23125245/nba-draft-2022-paolo-banchero-orlando-magic-no-1-first-pick

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If you want somebody to take a larger chuck of the scoring load, create their own for themselves and others, you draft Jaden Ivey.
Yea possibly. Banchero and Ivey are my top 2 prospects personally.

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#398 » by Skin » Fri May 20, 2022 2:28 am

IllMagic04 wrote:
Skin wrote:
basketballRob wrote:If we don't pick Jabari I think we'll regret it after seeing him shoot well over 40% from 3 each year and playing good defense.

Meanwhile, we'll be hoping that next year will be the season we start to bulk up or have the worst shooting team year after year.

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On OKC, he would be playing the 3. His shooting and his "perimeter" defense would be perfect for them. Unless we move Franz, Jabari is not playing the 3 here. If he plays the 4 here, our interior defense would suck.
Maybe but are you saying we should only pick a prospect that fits next to WCjr? We aren't winning next year anyway

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Tricky huh? It's the problem we're facing together. Jabari is not a clear cut BPA, so the "we have to draft BPA" argument does not apply here.

Is Jabari someone you build your future team around? He doesn't dribble well, pass well, play good interior defense and his scoring inside the arc is the worst of any Top 5 prospect in the last 10+ years. He shoots well, rebounds decently and he's scrappy on the perimeter.

I don't think WCj should be considered a temp fill-in while we find the right guy next to Jabari. Not to mention Jabari at the 4 also squeezes Isaac out. I need to be convinced how this makes sense.

The ONLY way I see Jabari making sense for us is if he is some kind of 3 and D fill in at SG. Play off the ball and get ready to launch at touch. Then on defense, he switches over to guard SFs.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#399 » by Skin » Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 am

basketballRob wrote:
Skin wrote:
basketballRob wrote:If we don't pick Jabari I think we'll regret it after seeing him shoot well over 40% from 3 each year and playing good defense.

Meanwhile, we'll be hoping that next year will be the season we start to bulk up or have the worst shooting team year after year.

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On OKC, he would be playing the 3. His shooting and his "perimeter" defense would be perfect for them. Unless we move Franz, Jabari is not playing the 3 here. If he plays the 4 here, our interior defense would suck.
I think once Jabari adds another 20 lbs he could play small-ball center. For now, I think he would play PF and split time with JI. He's got good size, I think he's a legit 6'10 and should be able to guard the rim and rebound.

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I don't think you draft Jabari with the thought of turning him into a banger. He has no low post moves and he thinks more like a guard than a big. His game does not translate to playing the role of a Bam Adebayo, Julius Randle, Draymond, Giannis. He'll much more likely be a Tatum (w/out the handle), Kleber or my sacrastic comp, Channing Frye. hahaha
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#400 » by Skin » Fri May 20, 2022 2:43 am

Knightro wrote:
Skin wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:Fultz, Suggs, Wagner, Jabari and WCJ.

That's a bad shooting backcourt and an equally bad defensive frontcourt.


I mean if Jabari ends up being the No. 1 pick, this certainly seems like it would be the starting lineup next year, right?

Puts Isaac on the outs which doesn't sit well with me, but maybe that's what Isaac is at this point in his career. A good rotation guy.

My bigger issue is the team is not constructed very well. Bad shooting backcourt and bad interior defense is just horrifying.

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