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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#181 » by hugepatsfan » Sun May 15, 2022 10:23 pm

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Let's assume we don't make the finals. We waive Al, he gets 14.5 mill his guaranteed money, but then capwise we stretch it over 3 years. 4.8 mil each year for the cap.

Then you sign him for two years at 20 million, Al nets 34.5 mil over two years instead of up to 27.5 for one year, but if he was waived, most likely another team wouldn't pay him 20 million, it only makes sense for the Celtics really.

Net effect:
Al gets 24.5 mil for 2022-2023 (10 new contract +14.5 guaranteed part of old contract). Al gets 10 million in 2023-2024 fully guaranteed another year older.

For Boston despite the above, Al's cap hit would be 14.8, 14.8, 4.8... the last year is dead cap for the stretch will Al no longer here.

... seems better for both sides than a one year deal for 27.5.


Not allowed. If we stretch his dead money hit you aren't allowed to sign him for 12 months.

If we take the full dead money hit in year 1 we can' re0sign him, but that brings me back to the point that we get no meaningful savings out of it.


Bummer. I though as long as he cleared waivers we would retain his bird rights and could sign him right away? Is the waive and stretch what negates that?


Yeah stretching his is what triggers that. We have bird rights if he goes unclaimed as you say, but can’t stretch someone just to re-sign that. That’s a loophole that teams could manipulate rather easily.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#182 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri May 20, 2022 6:59 am

No idea if it's been asked already, but is it possible for Horford to agree to restructure his contract and maybe take like 2 years 30 mils instead of 1 at 32 or whatever it was?
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#183 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri May 20, 2022 7:52 am

FlatearthZorro wrote:No idea if it's been asked already, but is it possible for Horford to agree to restructure his contract and maybe take like 2 years 30 mils instead of 1 at 32 or whatever it was?


Strictly by the rules, no.

Besides, why would he agree in effect to play for free for a year?
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#184 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri May 20, 2022 10:00 am

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FlatearthZorro wrote:No idea if it's been asked already, but is it possible for Horford to agree to restructure his contract and maybe take like 2 years 30 mils instead of 1 at 32 or whatever it was?


Strictly by the rules, no.

Besides, why would he agree in effect to play for free for a year?


I think he enjoys it here and he will still get decent money at his age. Having him at 32 mils would be impossible next year.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#185 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri May 20, 2022 12:03 pm

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FlatearthZorro wrote:No idea if it's been asked already, but is it possible for Horford to agree to restructure his contract and maybe take like 2 years 30 mils instead of 1 at 32 or whatever it was?


Strictly by the rules, no.

Besides, why would he agree in effect to play for free for a year?


I think he enjoys it here and he will still get decent money at his age. Having him at 32 mils would be impossible next year.


The figure is more like $26.5 million, and there's nothing "impossible" about it.
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Post#186 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:43 pm

Next year Horford will be the 47th highest salary (actually a couple guys are going to sign new deals and push him even further down the hierarchy). That's perfectly reasonable for someone that's much better than the 47th player in the league especially in the playoff.

26 million for a guy that plays 35-40 minutes per game in the playoff, makes the team better on both ends and fits with pretty much any other player is a bargain.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#187 » by FlatearthZorro » Fri May 20, 2022 3:20 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
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Strictly by the rules, no.

Besides, why would he agree in effect to play for free for a year?


I think he enjoys it here and he will still get decent money at his age. Having him at 32 mils would be impossible next year.


The figure is more like $26.5 million, and there's nothing "impossible" about it.


With Tatum's contract kicking in, we'd be extremely deep into the tax.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#188 » by Scoonie » Fri May 20, 2022 3:22 pm

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I think he enjoys it here and he will still get decent money at his age. Having him at 32 mils would be impossible next year.


The figure is more like $26.5 million, and there's nothing "impossible" about it.


With Tatum's contract kicking in, we'd be extremely deep into the tax.


When you're a legitimate NBA Championship contender like we are, the ownership should be more than willing to pay the Luxury Tax.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#189 » by snowman » Fri May 20, 2022 3:43 pm

Horford's value doesn't always show in the box score, but we all see it in the result. Boston is a much better team with Horford than without...simple. Pick up his full option for next year and offer an extension @ 10 mil a year, in a series of one-year deals, until he wants to become our big man coach.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#190 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri May 20, 2022 3:55 pm

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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#191 » by playa-hater » Fri May 20, 2022 4:00 pm

Is it me, or is "Old man Al" playing as good or even better defense than "Average Al" ever did??
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#192 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri May 20, 2022 4:18 pm

playa-hater wrote:Is it me, or is "Old man Al" playing as good or even better defense than "Average Al" ever did??


Perhaps his positioning is a little sharper under Ime.

His athleticism seems similar.

Note: He neither reliably stops perimeter guys from driving nor recovers to them after they blow by. Instead, he stays with them, moving sideways without the ball as fast they do straight ahead with it. Reminds me of swimming, where the sidestroke is surprisingly effective in water polo and lifeguarding alike.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#193 » by Fencer reregistered » Fri May 20, 2022 4:20 pm

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I think he enjoys it here and he will still get decent money at his age. Having him at 32 mils would be impossible next year.


The figure is more like $26.5 million, and there's nothing "impossible" about it.


With Tatum's contract kicking in, we'd be extremely deep into the tax.


Ownership and management are obviously well aware of that. Yet they voluntarily acquired Theis at the deadline.

With all the pick trades, the Cs are precluding themselves from one of the best opportunities to have underpaid guys on the roster. So the payroll is set to get very high soon. So be it. I have no idea whether Wyc can afford it personally. I am very confident that a private equity guy knows how to bring in additional capital if a basically healthy business needs it.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#194 » by Hal14 » Fri May 20, 2022 4:27 pm

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pretty impressive when you consider how many possessions he guarded Giannis.

Draymond has guarded who, jaren jackson jr?
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#195 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri May 20, 2022 4:32 pm

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pretty impressive when you consider how many possessions he guarded Giannis.

Draymond has guarded who, jaren jackson jr?

Hehe let's not do that. What's Al's done has been impressive for sure but no need to reduce what Draymond has been doing for the Warriors. He's also defended the MVP Jokic in the 1st round. They also switch some so had to defend Ja Morant and Doncic in this current series.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#196 » by Hal14 » Fri May 20, 2022 4:45 pm

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pretty impressive when you consider how many possessions he guarded Giannis.

Draymond has guarded who, jaren jackson jr?

Hehe let's not do that. What's Al's done has been impressive for sure but no need to reduce what Draymond has been doing for the Warriors. He's also defended the MVP Jokic in the 1st round. They also switch some so had to defend Ja Morant and Doncic in this current series.

ah yes, that's true. draymond was probably on Jokic most of the time.

Just being in that discussion with draymond is pretty awesome for our 35 year old wonder :)

Draymond can't shoot like Al!
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#197 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri May 20, 2022 5:11 pm

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Hal14 wrote:pretty impressive when you consider how many possessions he guarded Giannis.

Draymond has guarded who, jaren jackson jr?

Hehe let's not do that. What's Al's done has been impressive for sure but no need to reduce what Draymond has been doing for the Warriors. He's also defended the MVP Jokic in the 1st round. They also switch some so had to defend Ja Morant and Doncic in this current series.

ah yes, that's true. draymond was probably on Jokic most of the time.

Just being in that discussion with draymond is pretty awesome for our 35 year old wonder :)

Draymond can't shoot like Al!

Both are all-nba glue guys. I'll take Draymond as a passer and facilitator but Horford has been shooting lights out in 2022 and gives our drivers space to drive. Horford's calming presence > Dray's volatility too.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#198 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri May 20, 2022 10:42 pm

This is 10 days too late...



What a luxury for the Cs to have multiple players who can reliably guard the other team's best players, even one-on-one. Tatum/Horf/Grant on KD, Smart/White/JB on Kyrie, Horf/Grant/Smart on Giannis, Smart/Tatum on Butler, Grant/Horf on Bam.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#199 » by CelticFaninLBC » Sun May 22, 2022 12:17 am

To lower Boston's 2022-2023 payroll, can Horford be offered a 3 year $45 million deal? I suspect they can't play with the cap numbers like this.
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Re: Al Horford "Fountain of Youth" Thread 

Post#200 » by keevsnick1 » Sun May 22, 2022 6:23 am

CelticFaninLBC wrote:To lower Boston's 2022-2023 payroll, can Horford be offered a 3 year $45 million deal? I suspect they can't play with the cap numbers like this.


Nope, he's under contract next year. It structured as partially non-guaranteed. If they cut him he gets 14.5 million, if they keep him its 26 million. Its not a player or team option, so there' no real way to restructure the contract to lower the cap hit next year.

If the team makes the finals 19.5 million becomes guaranteed, if they win the finals all 26 million becomes guaranteed. But the wya he's played they'll bring him back at the 26 regardless.

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