Bam is soft

[BoatsNZones]

Just waaaay too passive. Even to passive for a #2 on a team

Herro is their actual #2 (on O), but Spo still keeps him on the bench. Makes zero sense to me.

[ITYSL]

It was a dumb thread when it was made, but the second page has a great breakdown on how the offense is not built around Adebayo, it's built around Jimmy and guard shooters. They don't run enough plays for him. And so the mentality has been hammered into him that his role is as a facilitator, mainly at the he top of the key, and an offensive rebounder. It's not easy to just flip that switch.

I said after the game that he was passive but that breakdown helped me realize that it's really how the offense is designed to not give him a lot of shots or allow him to be aggressive

[Stone]

I'd take Jarrett Allen over Bam

[SA37]

It was a dumb thread when it was made, but the second page has a great breakdown on how the offense is not built around Adebayo, it's built around Jimmy and guard shooters. They don't run enough plays for him. And so the mentality has been hammered into him that his role is as a facilitator, mainly at the he top of the key, and an offensive rebounder. It's not easy to just flip that switch.

I said after the game that he was passive but that breakdown helped me realize that it's really how the offense is designed to not give him a lot of shots or allow him to be aggressive

He averaged 19 on the season in that offense. One thing is to say he could get 25 but he doesn't because the offense isn't designed for it; it's another for him to become Draymond Green, which is essentially what has happened in the playoffs.

Miami can't win with Bam putting up Draymond Green numbers + Miami shooting under 30% on 3s.

[kuclas]

I like bam a lot. But he’s not a center. And Miami power forward forward isn’t big either. PJ tucker. Creates a ton of pressure for Miami to have to switch.

Huge offensive minded centers like Jokic and embiid forces Boston to go big cause horford isn’t particularly big and Boston relies on help
Defense to help horford with bigger centers.

But notice Robert williams didn’t play many minutes last night. Cause horford isn’t gonna to be bullied down low like against 7 footers. So doesn’t need help Vs bam who doesn’t shoot

So the defenders can stay on perimeter to guard the 3 line.

Boston let jimmy have what he wanted rather than let the 3 point shooters wide open.

But let’s get real here about the bam backlash. Only so just much Bam can do. It’s a make or miss league. Boston wasn’t gonna to lose to the 2016-2017 golden state warriors when they connect on 50-% of 3 point shots on high volume.

I don’t know what the stats are. But it’s gotta be 90% chance or higher of winning in playoffs when an nba team makes more
Than 40% of their 3 point shots While attempting more than 35 shots in a game.

[jfs1000d]

Most Valuable Poser?

I kid. But you fans gotta come down.


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[dhsilv2]

I like bam a lot. But he’s not a center. And Miami power forward forward isn’t big either. PJ tucker. Creates a ton of pressure for Miami to have to switch.

Huge offensive minded centers like Jokic and embiid forces Boston to go big cause horford isn’t particularly big and Boston relies on help
Defense to help horford with bigger centers.

But notice Robert williams didn’t play many minutes last night. Cause horford isn’t gonna to be bullied down low like against 7 footers. So doesn’t need help Vs bam who doesn’t shoot

So the defenders can stay on perimeter to guard the 3 line.

Boston let jimmy have what he wanted rather than let the 3 point shooters wide open.

But let’s get real here about the bam backlash. Only so just much Bam can do. It’s a make or miss league. Boston wasn’t gonna to lose to the 2016-2017 golden state warriors when they connect on 50-% of 3 point shots on high volume.

I don’t know what the stats are. But it’s gotta be 90% chance or higher of winning in playoffs when an nba team makes more
Than 40% of their 3 point shots While attempting more than 35 shots in a game.

You basically named the only 2 centers that Al can't guard inside. So Bam at center makes perfect sense...

[cupcakesnake]

Last year the idea of Bam on offense was that we was going to become a good enough shooter to be the ultimate versatility guy on offense. His shooting could have complimented his passing and physical play, made him more of a threat that attracts the defense.

But his shooting fell flat this season. He was pretty money from midrange in 2021, but this season he regressed majorly and dimmed the optimism that he's going to add that to his game. He doesn't quite have the size to just kill teams with the physical game, and his solid passing doesn't do much when defenses ignore him in a lot of situations.

As much as I love the idea of Bam (offensively), he hasn't looked good in a playoff series in a long time. He was a monster in the bubble (against Milwaukee and Boston, ironically) before looking too small against Anthony Davis and Dwight/Javale in the finals. He hasn't had a good playoff series on offense since. He got squished by Giannis and Brook the very next year. He averaged 12ppg against Atlanta (with a mostly injured Clint Capela), he was solid against Phili (but their only good big had a torn hand and broken face), and now Boston has completely neutered him so far.

[hugepatsfan]

I like bam a lot. But he’s not a center. And Miami power forward forward isn’t big either. PJ tucker. Creates a ton of pressure for Miami to have to switch.

Huge offensive minded centers like Jokic and embiid forces Boston to go big cause horford isn’t particularly big and Boston relies on help
Defense to help horford with bigger centers.

But notice Robert williams didn’t play many minutes last night. Cause horford isn’t gonna to be bullied down low like against 7 footers. So doesn’t need help Vs bam who doesn’t shoot

So the defenders can stay on perimeter to guard the 3 line.

Boston let jimmy have what he wanted rather than let the 3 point shooters wide open.

But let’s get real here about the bam backlash. Only so just much Bam can do. It’s a make or miss league. Boston wasn’t gonna to lose to the 2016-2017 golden state warriors when they connect on 50-% of 3 point shots on high volume.

I don’t know what the stats are. But it’s gotta be 90% chance or higher of winning in playoffs when an nba team makes more
Than 40% of their 3 point shots While attempting more than 35 shots in a game.

Isn't Horford one of the most effective defenders in the league on Embiid?

[_qubik]

You are really underrating Towns.

You are really overrating Towns, Bam is good passer, is turning into a solid scorer, and is among the NBA best defenders, he can do it all at a high level. Towns is an offensive monster, he is probably the best big man shooter ever, and I think he can produce even more with a really good team around him. But for me a team with Bam has a higher ceiling than Towns, he is a more complete player

Towns has way more tools then Bam and is a MUCH better offensive player. Bam is a MUCH better defender but has gotten to develop in a solid enviroment. If you put Towns in the heat culture I bet he would be better then he is now and much better the Bam is. He has spent too long in Minny when prior to this year there was some really bad culture and losing was just accepted. He kind of stopped develiping for a and obvisouly had a really bad playoffs but he has not been there much as he for most of his career has had the burdon of being the best player on his team. Bam has butler and others to rely on for Scoring. I if you asked which player most GMS would rather have straight up alot more would say Towns.

Thats undeniable, if Towns was drafted by a team with better talent development, he would be muuuch better. But he hasnt, and I would still have Bam. Its sad, because a lot of good players could have been great ones if they were on better teams

[kuclas]

I like bam a lot. But he’s not a center. And Miami power forward forward isn’t big either. PJ tucker. Creates a ton of pressure for Miami to have to switch.

Huge offensive minded centers like Jokic and embiid forces Boston to go big cause horford isn’t particularly big and Boston relies on help
Defense to help horford with bigger centers.

But notice Robert williams didn’t play many minutes last night. Cause horford isn’t gonna to be bullied down low like against 7 footers. So doesn’t need help Vs bam who doesn’t shoot

So the defenders can stay on perimeter to guard the 3 line.

Boston let jimmy have what he wanted rather than let the 3 point shooters wide open.

But let’s get real here about the bam backlash. Only so just much Bam can do. It’s a make or miss league. Boston wasn’t gonna to lose to the 2016-2017 golden state warriors when they connect on 50-% of 3 point shots on high volume.

I don’t know what the stats are. But it’s gotta be 90% chance or higher of winning in playoffs when an nba team makes more
Than 40% of their 3 point shots While attempting more than 35 shots in a game.

Isn't Horford one of the most effective defenders in the league on Embiid?

Nor really. Watch the help defense hedge in once embiid get closer in. They got to commit more people.

Horford and Boston doesn’t have to do that with bam if he gets close in

[hugepatsfan]

I like bam a lot. But he’s not a center. And Miami power forward forward isn’t big either. PJ tucker. Creates a ton of pressure for Miami to have to switch.

Huge offensive minded centers like Jokic and embiid forces Boston to go big cause horford isn’t particularly big and Boston relies on help
Defense to help horford with bigger centers.

But notice Robert williams didn’t play many minutes last night. Cause horford isn’t gonna to be bullied down low like against 7 footers. So doesn’t need help Vs bam who doesn’t shoot

So the defenders can stay on perimeter to guard the 3 line.

Boston let jimmy have what he wanted rather than let the 3 point shooters wide open.

But let’s get real here about the bam backlash. Only so just much Bam can do. It’s a make or miss league. Boston wasn’t gonna to lose to the 2016-2017 golden state warriors when they connect on 50-% of 3 point shots on high volume.

I don’t know what the stats are. But it’s gotta be 90% chance or higher of winning in playoffs when an nba team makes more
Than 40% of their 3 point shots While attempting more than 35 shots in a game.

Isn't Horford one of the most effective defenders in the league on Embiid?

Nor really. Watch the help defense hedge in once embiid get closer in. They got to commit more people.

Horford and Boston doesn’t have to do that with bam if he gets close in

That's kind of a different question. Embiid is the scoring champ. He's the most physically dominant player in the NBA. Any defender is going to need more help vs Embiid than he does Bam.

You said bigger centers like Jokic or Embiid force BOS to go bigger because Horford can't bang with them. That's the part I disagreed with. For Embiid specifically it's always been said that Horford does a good job against him. Obviously he needs help because Embiid is so physically dominant but that's the case for anyone.

[LewisnotMiller]

I like bam a lot. But he’s not a center. And Miami power forward forward isn’t big either. PJ tucker. Creates a ton of pressure for Miami to have to switch.

Huge offensive minded centers like Jokic and embiid forces Boston to go big cause horford isn’t particularly big and Boston relies on help
Defense to help horford with bigger centers.

But notice Robert williams didn’t play many minutes last night. Cause horford isn’t gonna to be bullied down low like against 7 footers. So doesn’t need help Vs bam who doesn’t shoot

So the defenders can stay on perimeter to guard the 3 line.

Boston let jimmy have what he wanted rather than let the 3 point shooters wide open.

But let’s get real here about the bam backlash. Only so just much Bam can do. It’s a make or miss league. Boston wasn’t gonna to lose to the 2016-2017 golden state warriors when they connect on 50-% of 3 point shots on high volume.

I don’t know what the stats are. But it’s gotta be 90% chance or higher of winning in playoffs when an nba team makes more
Than 40% of their 3 point shots While attempting more than 35 shots in a game.

You basically named the only 2 centers that Al can't guard inside. So Bam at center makes perfect sense...

Horf has traditionally been good at guarding Embiid. And we used Grant Williams heavily on Jokic.
Strength is more portent than length for the primary defender (with the opposite being true for help).

Bams big enough. Having said that, parking him full time at C doesn't take full advantage of his flexibility I think. Boston worked out the freeing Williams up...playing him more like a PF defensively...helped get more out of him. Might be the same.

And offensively, hes a good third/great fourth to me.

[LewisnotMiller]

Isn't Horford one of the most effective defenders in the league on Embiid?

Nor really. Watch the help defense hedge in once embiid get closer in. They got to commit more people.

Horford and Boston doesn’t have to do that with bam if he gets close in

That's kind of a different question. Embiid is the scoring champ. He's the most physically dominant player in the NBA. Any defender is going to need more help vs Embiid than he does Bam.

You said bigger centers like Jokic or Embiid force BOS to go bigger because Horford can't bang with them. That's the part I disagreed with. For Embiid specifically it's always been said that Horford does a good job against him. Obviously he needs help because Embiid is so physically dominant but that's the case for anyone.

Yup...sometimes hear things about Boston that were more true with Stevens coaching than Ime.

Ime starts bigger than Stevens used to, but that doesn't really change situationally. Ime wants Brown and Tatum as the wings, with 2 bigs (Williams and Horf).
If one of those bigs is out, in comes Grant, or Theis.

[dhsilv2]

I like bam a lot. But he’s not a center. And Miami power forward forward isn’t big either. PJ tucker. Creates a ton of pressure for Miami to have to switch.

Huge offensive minded centers like Jokic and embiid forces Boston to go big cause horford isn’t particularly big and Boston relies on help
Defense to help horford with bigger centers.

But notice Robert williams didn’t play many minutes last night. Cause horford isn’t gonna to be bullied down low like against 7 footers. So doesn’t need help Vs bam who doesn’t shoot

So the defenders can stay on perimeter to guard the 3 line.

Boston let jimmy have what he wanted rather than let the 3 point shooters wide open.

But let’s get real here about the bam backlash. Only so just much Bam can do. It’s a make or miss league. Boston wasn’t gonna to lose to the 2016-2017 golden state warriors when they connect on 50-% of 3 point shots on high volume.

I don’t know what the stats are. But it’s gotta be 90% chance or higher of winning in playoffs when an nba team makes more
Than 40% of their 3 point shots While attempting more than 35 shots in a game.

You basically named the only 2 centers that Al can't guard inside. So Bam at center makes perfect sense...

Horf has traditionally been good at guarding Embiid. And we used Grant Williams heavily on Jokic.
Strength is more portent than length for the primary defender (with the opposite being true for help).

Bams big enough. Having said that, parking him full time at C doesn't take full advantage of his flexibility I think. Boston worked out the freeing Williams up...playing him more like a PF defensively...helped get more out of him. Might be the same.

And offensively, hes a good third/great fourth to me.

On offense, why would you want a center in today's game unless they are Jokic/Embiid? You really want "centers" for defense at the rim as help defenders or the counter the 2 freaks. Otherwise teams would rather just have 5 wings who are long and athletic. That's kinda where Bam becomes so useful. He's close enough to being a wing there and a center on defense. Maybe not perfectly either but fits in the middle.

And yeah Al is good on everyone because he's brilliant as a defender, but Embiid is without a doubt a guy who drains him and he needs more help than most other guys on him.

[Marcus_Shart]

I haven't looked through the pre necro'd part of the thread, but this chronicle isn't complete without a post from Bum Adebayo.

[kuclas]

You basically named the only 2 centers that Al can't guard inside. So Bam at center makes perfect sense...

Horf has traditionally been good at guarding Embiid. And we used Grant Williams heavily on Jokic.
Strength is more portent than length for the primary defender (with the opposite being true for help).

Bams big enough. Having said that, parking him full time at C doesn't take full advantage of his flexibility I think. Boston worked out the freeing Williams up...playing him more like a PF defensively...helped get more out of him. Might be the same.

And offensively, hes a good third/great fourth to me.

On offense, why would you want a center in today's game unless they are Jokic/Embiid? You really want "centers" for defense at the rim as help defenders or the counter the 2 freaks. Otherwise teams would rather just have 5 wings who are long and athletic. That's kinda where Bam becomes so useful. He's close enough to being a wing there and a center on defense. Maybe not perfectly either but fits in the middle.

And yeah Al is good on everyone because he's brilliant as a defender, but Embiid is without a doubt a guy who drains him and he needs more help than most other guys on him.

Bam issue is his range. He needs to be able to develop something. Mid range. Or low post go to move.

While switch ability is nice. You need real rim protection if you are gonna to be a center. A guy who’s slightly bigger than Bam. Ben Simmons and a much better 1-4 defender than Bam. Simmons cannot protect the paint either.

Al Horford can at least draw Bam out and hit some shots. This makes Miami scramble even more rotating on defense. And Bam can’t hurt Boston on offense. Horford is basically roaming and saving energy on defend guarding Bam.

So Miami has to figure out how to combat this.

[SerialChiller]

Bam at like 6'9" should be a PF not a Center, but his complete lack of a jumper of any kind forces him to be a 5 since you can't have another true big out there with him spacing wise.

[dribble1614]

very overrated and mediocre player being exposed throughout the playoffs. borderline fringe all-star at best with significant offensive limitations like draymond green, except nowhere near the playmaker/passer.

[patman66]

I think he is a top 25/50 player and one of the best bigs in the game, After Emblid, he is probably the best in the east along with Allen.