2022 NBA Draft - Prospects Discussion

Ron Swanson · Post #321 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri May 20, 2022 9:34 pm

Ron Swanson wrote: Koloko I feel does have some "Dewyane Dedmon" shooting potential so I guess I don't think KOC is way off there.

16/25 in the 3PT drills. Possible Brook replacement? Not my favorite guy at #24 but there's a lot to like.

machu46 · Post #322 » by **machu46** » Fri May 20, 2022 9:50 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote: Koloko I feel does have some "Dewyane Dedmon" shooting potential so I guess I don't think KOC is way off there.

16/25 in the 3PT drills. Possible Brook replacement? Not my favorite guy at #24 but there's a lot to like.

I would bump him up to my “eh” category if that shooting is remotely real.

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Post #323 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri May 20, 2022 10:16 pm

RiotPunch wrote:The more I see of Jalen Williams, the more intrigued I get. Not a great defender, but he has the tools to be.

Three year productive wing, 6'6", 7’2.25 wingspan, still only 21.

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RiotPunch · Post #324 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri May 20, 2022 10:37 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:The more I see of Jalen Williams, the more intrigued I get. Not a great defender, but he has the tools to be.

Three year productive wing, 6'6", 7’2.25 wingspan, still only 21.

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Yeah, checks a lot of boxes physically and on offense. Juuuust the whole defense thing. But I'd roll the dice, depending.

msiris · Post #325 » by **msiris** » Fri May 20, 2022 10:40 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote: Koloko I feel does have some "Dewyane Dedmon" shooting potential so I guess I don't think KOC is way off there.

16/25 in the 3PT drills. Possible Brook replacement? Not my favorite guy at #24 but there's a lot to like.

The draft is such a crap shoot that if you think is could be good you draft him at 24. I watched a scouting report and he looks faster than Brook.

Post #326 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri May 20, 2022 10:50 pm

I've admitted I've known little about this draft, but I would say the guy I've been checking mocks on this year is Mark Williams. Been thinking he'd be an ideal Brook replacement. If he's being mocked in the teens it seems like he'd be gettable in a trade up.

RiotPunch · Post #327 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri May 20, 2022 10:54 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I've admitted I've known little about this draft, but I would say the guy I've been checking mocks on this year is Mark Williams. Been thinking he'd be an ideal Brook replacement. If he's being mocked in the teens it seems like he'd be gettable in a trade up.

You would be happy to know he is emunney's boi.

BigO · Post #328 » by **BigO** » Sat May 21, 2022 12:02 am

skones wrote:
BigO wrote:
skones wrote:
Lol, that's not how it works. You're not being reasonable in your response by simply announcing 'YOU LOSE!' when a legitimate point is being made. Carter is 26 years old and a journeyman. Grayson Allen is a month younger. You're not helping your cause. You threw out a pretty baseless, "He hates younger players," and that's all there is to it.

And LOL doesn't make your point ether. Carter was 23 when he started in the NBA. He's now 26. In his brief time with the Bucks, he was shooting 56% on threes and over 50% overall. He was rejected by Bud in order to play George Hill, who was shooting 30% on threes and 43% overall.

Bud plays guys like Hill because he has a comfort level that he doesn't have with younger guys. Of course, he would never admit that or even know that, just like you. His answer will always be that he plays the guys he thinks will do the best job. The situation with Boston demanded he at least try Carter-comfort/ideology won out.

Lets recap:
Bud hates young guys!
Theres not a whole lot of evidence to support that.
He didn't play Carter who's 26!
He played Grayston who's 26.
Carter was 23 once!

No, but the rest of what I said does. Who cares how old Carter was when he entered the league? He wasn't a Buck until he was 26. It's baffling that you'd actually think that's a detail that helps you. I'm not saying Carter shouldn't have been played. I've literally argued for it in other threads. What I am saying, is "Bud hates young guys" is just a stupid thing to say, and just another straw you've grabbed for your over the top, hyperbolic, anti Bud agenda.

No, you're right though, Bud hates young guys SO much that he built an entire game plan and culture around a guy who was 23 when he took over. My bad.

Bud played Giannis at age 23. My apologies.

ShootingtheJ · Post #329 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat May 21, 2022 1:32 am

Ron Swanson wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote: Koloko I feel does have some "Dewyane Dedmon" shooting potential so I guess I don't think KOC is way off there.

16/25 in the 3PT drills. Possible Brook replacement? Not my favorite guy at #24 but there's a lot to like.

A drop defense only center? No. We should be looking for someone who can switch and hedge.

skones · Post #330 » by **skones** » Sat May 21, 2022 2:37 am

msiris wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote: Koloko I feel does have some "Dewyane Dedmon" shooting potential so I guess I don't think KOC is way off there.

16/25 in the 3PT drills. Possible Brook replacement? Not my favorite guy at #24 but there's a lot to like.
The draft is such a crap shoot that if you think is could be good you draft him at 24. I watched a scouting report and he looks faster than Brook.

Super weird number. The guy's touch reminds me of Larry Sanders near the hoop. Just all arms pushing it towards the rim. I guess he shot reasonably well from the stripe?

skones · Post #331 » by **skones** » Sat May 21, 2022 3:01 am

I don't know if he'll be BPA, and Roddy has been talked about at length, but Jake LaRavia is in a similar mold and undervalued. Got a lot of Joe Ingles in him.

emunney · Post #332 » by **emunney** » Sat May 21, 2022 3:10 am

RiotPunch wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I've admitted I've known little about this draft, but I would say the guy I've been checking mocks on this year is Mark Williams. Been thinking he'd be an ideal Brook replacement. If he's being mocked in the teens it seems like he'd be gettable in a trade up.

You would be happy to know he is emunney's boi.

When DB and I agree, we are always correct. Take it to the bank. The dialectic is undefeated.

Ron Swanson · Post #333 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sat May 21, 2022 3:30 am

skones wrote:
msiris wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:

16/25 in the 3PT drills. Possible Brook replacement? Not my favorite guy at #24 but there's a lot to like.
The draft is such a crap shoot that if you think is could be good you draft him at 24. I watched a scouting report and he looks faster than Brook.

Super weird number. The guy's touch reminds me of Larry Sanders near the hoop. Just all arms pushing it towards the rim. I guess he shot reasonably well from the stripe?

Some guys just have that touch from further out, but not around the rim. Maybe he's got that Maxi Kleber/Chris Boucher skill set. If he can improve his defensive IQ, then that's probably a pretty useful player and our future starting 5. All depends on whether or not you'd think he can improve his mental toolbox and gain some muscle.

benultimate · Post #334 » by **benultimate** » Sat May 21, 2022 5:41 am

Would New York move down from 11 to 24 to dump Fournier? Grayson, Hill & Tucker works.

Would the Billionaires with a B approve of adding that salary? Fournier is no star but he's an upgrade on Grayson

skones · Post #335 » by **skones** » Sat May 21, 2022 5:46 am

Ron Swanson wrote:
skones wrote:
msiris wrote:The draft is such a crap shoot that if you think is could be good you draft him at 24. I watched a scouting report and he looks faster than Brook.

Super weird number. The guy's touch reminds me of Larry Sanders near the hoop. Just all arms pushing it towards the rim. I guess he shot reasonably well from the stripe?

Some guys just have that touch from further out, but not around the rim. Maybe he's got that Maxi Kleber/Chris Boucher skill set. If he can improve his defensive IQ, then that's probably a pretty useful player and our future starting 5. All depends on whether or not you'd think he can improve his mental toolbox and gain some muscle.

I have nothing to back this up, but those decent to average to even high three point percentage guys with disproportionate FT% numbers seem to be a thing later in careers. Those that aren't seem to be susceptible to wild variance year to year. That would say to me that that's an effort time and again, and then more time and more time on top of it thing. You could be wet as all hell for a week at the combine and I still wouldn't be convinced. Thus, more of a project.

Idk, seems like an outlier performance. 25 shots is a stupid small sample. I think touch and feel on the ball is an innate thing, and I don't think he has it (given he bricks hooks in which he has an obvious advantage with his right, and can't hit the barn at all with his left). I think he tops out at 33-34% on low volume. Is that enough with the way the league is going? The gap is going to get larger, gotta be in front of it.

ShootingtheJ · Post #336 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat May 21, 2022 2:48 pm

benultimate wrote:Would New York move down from 11 to 24 to dump Fournier? Grayson, Hill & Tucker works.

Would the Billionaires with a B approve of adding that salary? Fournier is no star but he's an upgrade on Grayson

Every move we make should had the playoffs in mind. Founier is an embarrassment come playoff time.

SupremeHustle · Post #337 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat May 21, 2022 5:21 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
benultimate wrote:Would New York move down from 11 to 24 to dump Fournier? Grayson, Hill & Tucker works.

Would the Billionaires with a B approve of adding that salary? Fournier is no star but he's an upgrade on Grayson

Every move we make should had the playoffs in mind. Founier is an embarrassment come playoff time.

But how do we get young talent with upside if we're only thinking about who can play in the playoffs? Serious question. That logic is how we miss out on guys like Desmond Bane.

machu46 · Post #338 » by **machu46** » Sat May 21, 2022 5:51 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
benultimate wrote:Would New York move down from 11 to 24 to dump Fournier? Grayson, Hill & Tucker works.

Would the Billionaires with a B approve of adding that salary? Fournier is no star but he's an upgrade on Grayson

Every move we make should had the playoffs in mind. Founier is an embarrassment come playoff time.

But how do we get young talent with upside if we're only thinking about who can play in the playoffs? Serious question. That logic is how we miss out on guys like Desmond Bane.

I mean, Bane is exactly the type of guy you draft if you’re looking for someone that can play right away/play in the playoffs.

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ShootingtheJ · Post #339 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat May 21, 2022 6:22 pm

machu46 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Every move we make should had the playoffs in mind. Founier is an embarrassment come playoff time.

But how do we get young talent with upside if we're only thinking about who can play in the playoffs? Serious question. That logic is how we miss out on guys like Desmond Bane.

I mean, Bane is exactly the type of guy you draft if you’re looking for someone that can play right away/play in the playoffs.

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I think what Jason is referring to is that Memphis took on Kanters $5 million contract, coupled with 2nds, to get the pick that became Bane. Great move.

However, Founier is owed another $36.8 million. That's just too much.

SupremeHustle · Post #340 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat May 21, 2022 6:49 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
machu46 wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:
But how do we get young talent with upside if we're only thinking about who can play in the playoffs? Serious question. That logic is how we miss out on guys like Desmond Bane.

I mean, Bane is exactly the type of guy you draft if you’re looking for someone that can play right away/play in the playoffs.

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I think what Jason is referring to is that Memphis took on Kanters $5 million contract, coupled with 2nds, to get the pick that became Bane. Great move.

However, Founier is owed another $36.8 million. That's just too much.

My poorly articulated thought was if we keep hoping for or going for so-called playoff-ready guys we'll end up with having a revolving door of Grayson Allens and never have a young, controllable prospect with potential. I just used Bane as an example. He's on his way to being Michael Redd for cheap.