Who do you want us to take at #1?

[Skin]

Because that type of offense you’re referring to is usually already there before college.

Not talking about shooting. I’m talking about the ability to create with the ball. To facilitate. Some have the ability and either have to get stronger to be better at finishing. Some have to work on the shot which creates more space. The ones who don’t have the ability rarely develop it on a elite level like the ones who have in college.

Not to say Jabari isn’t a bad player. He could be an all star. Might even average 20 a game a few seasons. On par with Shard Lewis. Jabari might be able to add little links to his game but he’ll never be that iso break a man off the dribble in the form of Luka, Kobe, etc. He’s best as a second option where a team has a first option facilitator that Jabari can feed off of.

A big percentage of Jabari's are created off the dribble and he rises up to shoot over a player. Banchero can't do that so he has to dribble around and try to shake the defender.

Jabari uses his ability to contort his body so it's square with the basket and get a shot off from anywhere. Just like Paul George.

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You’re talking about form and body control. I’m talking about their games as an whole.

Question...What does Jabari do if the shot doesn’t fall? How does he get points?

Do you understand what it means to be a 3 level scorer?

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

[89Magicfan]

A big percentage of Jabari's are created off the dribble and he rises up to shoot over a player. Banchero can't do that so he has to dribble around and try to shake the defender.

Jabari uses his ability to contort his body so it's square with the basket and get a shot off from anywhere. Just like Paul George.

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You’re talking about form and body control. I’m talking about their games as an whole.

Question...What does Jabari do if the shot doesn’t fall? How does he get points?

Do you understand what it means to be a 3 level scorer?

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

[tiderulz]

You’re talking about form and body control. I’m talking about their games as an whole.

Question...What does Jabari do if the shot doesn’t fall? How does he get points?

Do you understand what it means to be a 3 level scorer?

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

what is Chet's best case? Gobert with a 3 pt shot? he isnt Jokic or Embiid, he isnt someone that changes a franchise imo. good player? yes. but will always be an injury risk until he shows he can play against bigger, stronger people on a nightly basis. Look up his stats against ranked opponents, he wasnt able to have his way like he did against those WCC opponents. When he didnt play against people his size, his production dropped dramatically

[89Magicfan]

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

what is Chet's best case? Gobert with a 3 pt shot? he isnt Jokic or Embiid, he isnt someone that changes a franchise imo. good player? yes. but will always be an injury risk until he shows he can play against bigger, stronger people on a nightly basis. Look up his stats against ranked opponents, he wasnt able to have his way like he did against those WCC opponents. When he didnt play against people his size, his production dropped dramatically

This is all hypothetical though. He’s never been injured.

He isn’t Gobert. Not saying he’s Embiid but definitely not Gobert.

Is anyone watching games and clips?

I don’t know what he’ll be. No one really does. I just skills you can build upon. Skills Jabari doesn’t have. So naturally I’m going compare. All draft picks have pros and cons. Jabari is an elite shooter who has good defensive instincts. A 3 and d type of player that from high school to college, hasn’t shown anything outside of that. I see Chet with those same skills but with better ball handling and offensive awareness, and better shot blocking. His ball handling is much better than Jabari’s. He handles it like a guard. I just view that as more valuable to our team overall.

I’m still ingrigued with Sharpe. There’s a part of me that wants us to role the dice and take him number 1. Same way I felt when we it was Dwight vs Emeka.

[jonbob17]

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

what is Chet's best case? Gobert with a 3 pt shot? he isnt Jokic or Embiid, he isnt someone that changes a franchise imo. good player? yes. but will always be an injury risk until he shows he can play against bigger, stronger people on a nightly basis. Look up his stats against ranked opponents, he wasnt able to have his way like he did against those WCC opponents. When he didnt play against people his size, his production dropped dramatically

His best case scenario is a combination of Rudy Gobert, able to switch onto and alter the shots of perimeter playmakers, and someone like Vucevic on offense. Acting as a hub on offense, knocking down trailing threes, and corner threes. Plus Chet can get the fast break going, and is really efficient scoring inside.

So what is a more efficient and complete version of Vuc on offense with elite defense worth?

[89Magicfan]

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

what is Chet's best case? Gobert with a 3 pt shot? he isnt Jokic or Embiid, he isnt someone that changes a franchise imo. good player? yes. but will always be an injury risk until he shows he can play against bigger, stronger people on a nightly basis. Look up his stats against ranked opponents, he wasnt able to have his way like he did against those WCC opponents. When he didnt play against people his size, his production dropped dramatically

This is all hypothetical though. He’s never been injured.

He isn’t Gobert. Not saying he’s Embiid but definitely not Gobert.

Is anyone watching games and clips?

I don’t know what he’ll be. No one really does. I just see skills you can build upon. Skills Jabari doesn’t have. So naturally I’m going compare. All draft picks have pros and cons. Jabari is an elite shooter who has good defensive instincts. A 3 and d type of player that from high school to college, hasn’t shown anything outside of that. I see Chet with those same skills but with better ball handling and offensive awareness, and better shot blocking. His ball handling is much better than Jabari’s. He handles it like a guard. I just view that as more valuable to our team overall.

I’m still ingrigued with Sharpe. There’s a part of me that wants us to role the dice and take him number 1. Same way I felt when we it was Dwight vs Emeka.

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Insiders were convinced Magic were selecting Emeka Okafor.

[jonbob17]

It's inevitable.

Everyone has their favorite. The FO probably already know who they are taking. Half of fans will be pissed with whoever they take.

Extremely inevitable. 90% of fans were rioting at the Franz pick while Suggs pick had everyone was happy. Maybe they might know what they are doing? Over someone who watched a ten minute YouTube video?

Nobody on a board was "rioting " about Wagner, it was a pick, people had moderate expetations. Portion of fans wanted Kuminga but he was already gone so maybe some portion of fans wanted Moody but didn't really "rioting" or anything.

People were in general thrilled when Magic drafted Suggs because he was sold as future Magic point guard.
That's not what we got tho.

Same happend with Bamba and lesser degree Okeke. Fans expected one type of player and reality was harsh & ugly.

Meh, the way i remember it there was a lot of Magic fans wanted Bouknight, Moody, and even Duarte. Plenty of fans even wanted Bouknight at 5 (not after suggs fell but ahead of guys like Barnes)

[Skin]

You’re talking about form and body control. I’m talking about their games as an whole.

Question...What does Jabari do if the shot doesn’t fall? How does he get points?

Do you understand what it means to be a 3 level scorer?

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

Yeah well you don't draft someone with the thought of what he is without his skill. Like saying I don't like what Steph is w/out his shooting, that's just a role player.

Jabari can also play 2-5 so we could create different looks and mismatches.

That said, I'm still on the fence between Jabari and Chet, but lately been leaning Chet.

[jonbob17]

I cannot believe the majority of people want JSJ at #1. I don’t think there is any chance that happens in reality so I will continue to ignore the majority on here.

It's the majority of the basketball world and betting sites.


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Looking at the betting sites now. That is interesting. I'd be hesitant to bet against something like this, if the Magic are 100% then there are people out there that do know what the Magic will do. How many people, who knows?

I will say Chet at 2 at +150. That's a pretty tight line(Smith-125), closest i can remember.

Just looked up:
Cade was -8000 near the draft last year.
Edwards -304 and Lamello +205 prior year.

If that number moves heavy one way or the other we will know the cat is out of the bag.

[jonbob17]

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

Yeah well you don't draft someone with the thought of what he is without his skill. Like saying I don't like what Steph is w/out his shooting, that's just a role player.

Jabari can also play 2-5 so we could create different looks and mismatches.

That said, I'm still on the fence between Jabari and Chet, but lately been leaning Chet.

Who says Jabari can play 2-5? I'd argue that the majority would say that is 4-5....maybe a little 3, and really not much 5.

[89Magicfan]

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

Yeah well you don't draft someone with the thought of what he is without his skill. Like saying I don't like what Steph is w/out his shooting, that's just a role player.

Jabari can also play 2-5 so we could create different looks and mismatches.

That said, I'm still on the fence between Jabari and Chet, but lately been leaning Chet.

Yeah I’m not a big fan of this draft. I’m happy we got the first pick but this doesn’t seem like the draft to be overly excited about.

It’s why I kinda want hear “The Magic have selected Shaedon Sharpe...”

[Skin]

If his shot is not falling Jabari is not much use offensively. But his on ball defense impresses me. He could fill a role similar to Mikal Bridges. Very valuable asset.

I just don’t think you draft that at 1.

If Chet gets enough strength to stay injury free and develops even more, you miss out on a player who changes your franchise.

If Shaedon is the best kept secret...I just view Jabari as a really good role player rn. Yet there’s guys who are more skilled and with added development could be more.

what is Chet's best case? Gobert with a 3 pt shot? he isnt Jokic or Embiid, he isnt someone that changes a franchise imo. good player? yes. but will always be an injury risk until he shows he can play against bigger, stronger people on a nightly basis. Look up his stats against ranked opponents, he wasnt able to have his way like he did against those WCC opponents. When he didnt play against people his size, his production dropped dramatically

For me Chet's best case is Jonathan Isaac. Isaac was a skinny pole coming into the league too. I'd love having 2 versions of Jonathan Isaac side by side. Problem is the same though. Both are going to be injury concerns because of their builds.

The best lineup for us imo, would be with Chet and Isaac at the 4 and 5 with Carter off the bench.

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Insiders were convinced Magic were selecting Emeka Okafor.

There are no leaks from our front office. I am more and more convinced Jabari is smoke screen lol.

[Knightro]

Who says Jabari can play 2-5? I'd argue that the majority would say that is 4-5....maybe a little 3, and really not much 5.

I think Jabari's pretty much a PF, but will be able to defend some SFs and also play a little C in and against small ball lineups.

Something like... 85% at PF, 10% at SF, 5% at C

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Insiders were convinced Magic were selecting Emeka Okafor.

There are no leaks from our front office. I am more and more convinced Jabari is smoke screen lol.

I think we'll know well before the draft who the pick is. It's different when you're first.

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[jonbob17]

I think Jabari's pretty much a PF, but will be able to defend some SFs and also play a little C in and against against small ball lineups.

Something like... 85% at PF, 10% at SF, 5% at C

I agree with that. He's a 4. You can always go small or big. I am just not sure you want him in a role of SF on offense often. Very reminiscent of Isaac and Okeke really. Not the rest of his game, he's more skilled to be sure.

[Hogified05]

I am just not concerned with Jabari's ball handling right now for this team. Fultz, Suggs and Franz are going be asked to be the ball handlers/play makers. I just need him to make a ton of shots off their playmaking. Plus he seems like a harder worker his ball handling will come. All he needs to be is a better Rashard Lewis and Rashard was pretty damn good for us. I mean we are looking at almost a spitting image of a nucleus to those Dwight teams. Franz= Turk, Smith= Rashard, Carter=a more skilled less imposing Dwight and some variation of Fultz/Anthony/Suggs can be the Jameer. Actually if Isaac could stay healthy he could be the skiled Dwight with his rim protection and how small ball is going, no reason he couldn't be the center.

I just think the Franz and Smith pick and role can be Turk and Lewis on roids. I'm cool with Chet...I'll have to be persuaded on Paulo but Jabari would fit like a glove here. Imagine the lineups you could throw out there with everyone over 6'10...Isaac, Franz, Carter, Bamba, Jabari...sheeesh.

[89Magicfan]

I am just not concerned with Jabari's ball handling right now for this team. Fultz, Suggs and Franz are going be asked to be the ball handlers/play makers. I just need him to make a ton of shots off their playmaking. Plus he seems like a harder worker his ball handling will come. All he needs to be is a better Rashard Lewis and Rashard was pretty damn good for us. I mean we are looking at almost a spitting image of a nucleus to those Dwight teams. Franz= Turk, Smith= Rashard, Carter=a more skilled less imposing Dwight and some variation of Fultz/Anthony/Suggs can be the Jameer. Actually if Isaac could stay healthy he could be the skiled Dwight with his rim protection and how small ball is going, no reason he couldn't be the center.

I just think the Franz and Smith pick and role can be Turk and Lewis on roids. I'm cool with Chet...I'll have to be persuaded on Paulo but Jabari would fit like a glove here. Imagine the lineups you could throw out there with everyone over 6'10...Isaac, Franz, Carter, Bamba, Jabari...sheeesh.

I’m not opposed to drafting Smith. It’s the fact we’d pick him first and the potential to miss out on higher ceiling guys that concerns me.

What if Shaedon is 6’5 Tmac? What if Chet becomes AD with more 3 point shooting?

Lose out on that for Shard Lewis would be fed up