Higher in your all-time list:Kevin Durant vs Charles Barkley

Post #2 » by **trex_8063** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:36 pm

I'd probably be leaning toward Durant at this point. Pretty close, though.

Post #3 » by **tsherkin** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:40 pm

An interesting comparison.

On the most basic level of accolades, they both have an MVP, KD has a couple ASG MVPs and ROY. He is also one of, what, 3 players to win 4+ scoring titles?

Jaivl · Post #4 » by **Jaivl** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:41 pm

KD and the gap is only going to get bigger. One of the ULTRA-RARE comparisons where Durant's defense IS relevant.

dygaction · Post #5 » by **dygaction** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:54 pm

tsherkin wrote:An interesting comparison.

On the most basic level of accolades, they both have an MVP, KD has a couple ASG MVPs and ROY. He is also one of, what, 3 players to win 4+ scoring titles?

So you have freaking ASG MVPs brought up and ignore a couple Finals MVPs?

70sFan · Post #6 » by **70sFan** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:54 pm

Durant surpassed Barkley this season in my opinion, but they are still extremely close.

No-more-rings · Post #7 » by **No-more-rings** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:56 pm

I have Durant 19th, and Barkley somewhere between 21-25.

Post #8 » by **tsherkin** » Sat May 21, 2022 9:59 pm

dygaction wrote:
tsherkin wrote:An interesting comparison.

On the most basic level of accolades, they both have an MVP, KD has a couple ASG MVPs and ROY. He is also one of, what, 3 players to win 4+ scoring titles?

So you have freaking ASG MVPs brought up and ignore a couple Finals MVPs?

Interesting, the tone you have chosen to approach me with in this reply.

dygaction · Post #9 » by **dygaction** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:06 pm

tsherkin wrote:
dygaction wrote:
tsherkin wrote:An interesting comparison.

On the most basic level of accolades, they both have an MVP, KD has a couple ASG MVPs and ROY. He is also one of, what, 3 players to win 4+ scoring titles?

So you have freaking ASG MVPs brought up and ignore a couple Finals MVPs?

Interesting, the tone you have chosen to approach me with in this reply.

Interesting, should I take a shower and put on suit and tie before each reply?

Post #10 » by **tsherkin** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:10 pm

dygaction wrote:
Interesting, should I take a shower and put on suit and tie before each reply?

Would you?

LesGrossman · Post #11 » by **LesGrossman** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:37 pm

If you act like he doesnt have two rings you clearly identify as hater and theres little use to arguing with you. KD has titles, FMVP’s and a unique ability skill wise. Barkley had more fire and heart but not enough talent to reach KD’s level. But we know its the same group trying to discredit KD and Steph, for years now.

No-more-rings · Post #12 » by **No-more-rings** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:48 pm

LesGrossman wrote:If you act like he doesnt have two rings you clearly identify as hater and theres little use to arguing with you. KD has titles, FMVP’s and a unique ability skill wise. Barkley had more fire and heart but not enough talent to reach KD’s level. But we know its the same group trying to discredit KD and Steph, for years now.

Curry had a ring before KD arrived, and he has a good chance at another this year. KD without Steph, 0 rings, only 1 finals appearance and 2 years in Brooklyn failed to make a conference finals. Not really apples to apples.

dygaction · Post #13 » by **dygaction** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:55 pm

No-more-rings wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:If you act like he doesnt have two rings you clearly identify as hater and theres little use to arguing with you. KD has titles, FMVP’s and a unique ability skill wise. Barkley had more fire and heart but not enough talent to reach KD’s level. But we know its the same group trying to discredit KD and Steph, for years now.

Curry had a ring before KD arrived, and he has a good chance at another this year. KD without Steph, 0 rings, only 1 finals appearance and 2 years in Brooklyn failed to make a conference finals. Not really apples to apples.

If LeBron had never won another ring after leaving Miami, would you rank him lower than Wade using similar logic?

Homer38 · Post #14 » by **Homer38** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:57 pm

dygaction wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:If you act like he doesnt have two rings you clearly identify as hater and theres little use to arguing with you. KD has titles, FMVP’s and a unique ability skill wise. Barkley had more fire and heart but not enough talent to reach KD’s level. But we know its the same group trying to discredit KD and Steph, for years now.

Curry had a ring before KD arrived, and he has a good chance at another this year. KD without Steph, 0 rings, only 1 finals appearance for and 2 years in Brooklyn failed to make a conference finals. Not really apples to apples.

If LeBron had never won another ring after leaving Miami, would you rank him lower than Wade using similar logic?

Lebron had 4 regular season mvp at this point.Not even comparable

No-more-rings · Post #15 » by **No-more-rings** » Sat May 21, 2022 10:59 pm

dygaction wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:If you act like he doesnt have two rings you clearly identify as hater and theres little use to arguing with you. KD has titles, FMVP’s and a unique ability skill wise. Barkley had more fire and heart but not enough talent to reach KD’s level. But we know its the same group trying to discredit KD and Steph, for years now.

Curry had a ring before KD arrived, and he has a good chance at another this year. KD without Steph, 0 rings, only 1 finals appearance and 2 years in Brooklyn failed to make a conference finals. Not really apples to apples.

If LeBron had never won another ring after leaving Miami, would you rank him lower than Wade using similar logic?

I know you’re being a wise guy, but no of course not. Lebron peaked a good bit higher than Wade, KD didn’t peak higher than Curry.

dygaction · Post #16 » by **dygaction** » Sat May 21, 2022 11:15 pm

No-more-rings wrote:
dygaction wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:Curry had a ring before KD arrived, and he has a good chance at another this year. KD without Steph, 0 rings, only 1 finals appearance and 2 years in Brooklyn failed to make a conference finals. Not really apples to apples.

If LeBron had never won another ring after leaving Miami, would you rank him lower than Wade using similar logic?

I know you’re being a wise guy, but no of course not. Lebron peaked a good bit higher than Wade, KD didn’t peak higher than Curry.

That's fair, but both KD and Steph can be ahead of Barkley back to the topic

No-more-rings · Post #17 » by **No-more-rings** » Sat May 21, 2022 11:17 pm

dygaction wrote:
No-more-rings wrote:
dygaction wrote:
If LeBron had never won another ring after leaving Miami, would you rank him lower than Wade using similar logic?

I know you’re being a wise guy, but no of course not. Lebron peaked a good bit higher than Wade, KD didn’t peak higher than Curry.

That's fair, but both KD and Steph can be ahead of Barkley back to the topic

Which they both are, I never implied otherwise. I was just responding to the user who claimed it was clearly KD or whatever.

LesGrossman · Post #18 » by **LesGrossman** » Sat May 21, 2022 11:25 pm

Mental gymnastics to act like KD doesnt have two rings as arguably the best player on the team. This kinda stuff belongs in the GB imho. He has two rings wether you like it or not.

Ironically the same guys will post those two statements in different threads:
Curry sucks because even if he has rings, he wasnt the best player on his team because he has no FMVP
KD sucks and his rings are meaningless, and his FMVP’s are also meaningless for some reasons (basically, hate)

Theres clearly an agenda behind discrediting those two guys.

Post #19 » by **tsherkin** » Sat May 21, 2022 11:26 pm

LesGrossman wrote:Mental gymnastics to act like KD doesnt have two rings as arguably the best player on the team. This kinda stuff belongs in the GB imho. He has two rings wether you like it or not.

He has the rings. It might leave him higher on an all-time list than Barkley. He was never remotely the best player on the Warriors.

LesGrossman · Post #20 » by **LesGrossman** » Sat May 21, 2022 11:31 pm

tsherkin wrote:
LesGrossman wrote:Mental gymnastics to act like KD doesnt have two rings as arguably the best player on the team. This kinda stuff belongs in the GB imho. He has two rings wether you like it or not.

He has the rings. It might leave him higher on an all-time list than Barkley. He was never remotely the best player on the Warriors.

Thats your opinion and you’re entitled to it. I disagree and so did most people voting for FMVP, as well as countless other experts.

Personally i think AD was the best player on the lakers for their title 2020; the moment he went down it was crystal clear leBron alone coudlnt do a damn thing. But that is also just an opinion.

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