Tatum VS Luka

[GeorgeSears]

Luka will have bad shooting nights, but he'll never as useless as Tatum was tonight and game 3 against the Bucks, where he scored only 10 points in both games.

It's unacceptable for someone considered a "superstar" to only get 10 points in a game.

[DroseReturnChi]

Luka will have bad shooting nights, but he'll never as useless as Tatum was tonight and game 3 against the Bucks, where he scored only 10 points in both games.

It's unacceptable for someone considered a "superstar" to only get 10 points in a game.

well plenty of superstars get 10pts and those are that shoot 3s/jumpers their entire games. thats why curry, tatum, booker they have a lot of ugly games whether u want to admit or not. its called variance and why luka,giannis, jokic wont have sub 30% nights.

theres a reason why i keep mocking him as one dimensional although their mods dont see me pleasant. i can predict his bad games every few games thats what his sample size suggests. he is detined to have bad games unless he changes hid mindset from curry to kawhi.

[Exp0sed]

when I think about top 5 guys or MVP candidates etc, I think about deep playoff runs
not about X player does A a bit better than player X but worse at B than player X

I think about competitive spirit, mental fortitude, leadership etc
those are the qualities that really seperate ATG's from the rest of the pack

Tatum can make big shots, tough shots in high pressure situations he has demonstrated it plenty by now

that's not to say he won't occasionally have bad shooting nights

ofc Tatum is a better defender but he doesn't have that ATG's spirit or baskbetball IQ
he can def put his team on his back for stretches, with his scoring, shot making, craftiness and defense
but he doesn't have that presence (which is quite rate tbh) on the court
when he's not swishing, you barely know he's in the game

Luka is something else, he's a serious outlier in that regard and that makes him infinitely more fun to watch and ultimately - it's what makes him better

it's not a knock on Tatum, Luka is really up there
Even his biggest haters, tune in and are mesmerized
Natural alpha, all eyes on him

Tatum makes me wanna yawn usually, even when he's on

[Big J]

I feel like Tatum cares too much about looking cool.

[Wolfgang630]

Luka will have bad shooting nights, but he'll never as useless as Tatum was tonight and game 3 against the Bucks, where he scored only 10 points in both games.

It's unacceptable for someone considered a "superstar" to only get 10 points in a game.

well plenty of superstars get 10pts and those are that shoot 3s/jumpers their entire games. thats why curry, tatum, booker they have a lot of ugly games whether u want to admit or not. its called variance and why luka,giannis, jokic wont have sub 30% nights.

It’s not about the points. He has no impact when he doesn’t score. Curry has gravity even if he shoots dog ****. What else is Tatum doing? He looked useless out there.

[GeorgeSears]

Luka will have bad shooting nights, but he'll never as useless as Tatum was tonight and game 3 against the Bucks, where he scored only 10 points in both games.

It's unacceptable for someone considered a "superstar" to only get 10 points in a game.

well plenty of superstars get 10pts and those are that shoot 3s/jumpers their entire games. thats why curry, tatum, booker they have a lot of ugly games whether u want to admit or not. its called variance and why luka,giannis, jokic wont have sub 30% nights.

It’s not about the points. He has no impact when he doesn’t score. Curry has gravity even if he shoots dog ****. What else is Tatum doing? He looked useless out there.

Pretty much this. Good defensive player. But when he's not scoring, he's pretty much useless on offense.

[TheGOATRises007]

There's still time to close this thread.

Luka has offensive GOAT potential.

Tatum is just not close to him.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Tatum lacks the key attribute superstars have which is consistency. Luka has that

[baller16]

Yeah I have to take everthing back about what I said about Tatum. Dude hasn't changed one bit from his previous years, he's still the same inconsistent offesive player he's always been. For every good offensive game he has, he puts up twice as many stinkers.

[Woodsanity]

What did I say about Tatum? He could get 40 points one game and 10 next. Wildly inconsistent and overrated.

[Luke Skyowner]

Now that is a hot take.. looking at a poll in which most fans are just box-score casual fans..

Poll is majority who mostly go by eye test alone. It didn´t fail this time

[Almond2Oak]

Speaking as a C’s fan my whole life and I’m a day late and dollar short of seeing this thread. With that said I’d trade Tatum and the next (7) 1R picks they own for Luka and never look back. Luka is a star and Tatum is a Robin pretending to be Batman. Couldn’t even imagine rolling Smart (I know you hate or love him), Brown, Luka, Horford, Timelord out. Tatum cares more about getting inked up then learning how to be a true #1 and even then (7) 1R picks and Tatum is stealing from Dallas in such a hypothetical.

[MrBigShot]

Speaking as a C’s fan my whole life and I’m a day late and dollar short of seeing this thread. With that said I’d trade Tatum and the next (7) 1R picks they own for Luka and never look back. Luka is a star and Tatum is a Robin pretending to be Batman. Couldn’t even imagine rolling Smart (I know you hate or love him), Brown, Luka, Horford, Timelord out. Tatum cares more about getting inked up then learning how to be a true #1 and even then (7) 1R picks and Tatum is stealing from Dallas in such a hypothetical.

Don't blame you for being willing to hypothetically trade him for Luka but i've never seen or heard any celtics fan talk about tatum so negatively.

Led his team to 51 wins, came 5th in MVP, is putting up 28/6/6 on 59 TS% in the playoffs and took team to ECF. Series isn't over. Cares more about getting inked up? The guy has improved tremendously since his rookie year and lived up to the hype.

[dribble1614]

tatum is one of the more overrated players in the league. he's on the donovan mitchell, paul george, kyrie irving level of all-star but not good enough offensively and as a playmaker / decision maker to be considered a superstar. not sure why he developed the reputation of a superstar.

doncic is larry bird / magic johnson lite. totally different caliber of a player.

[User_friendly]

Luka will have bad shooting nights, but he'll never as useless as Tatum was tonight and game 3 against the Bucks, where he scored only 10 points in both games.

It's unacceptable for someone considered a "superstar" to only get 10 points in a game.

The thing is. TOO MANY games dissapearing as a scorer. Not just one game, has happened to even Curry, as other have said.
That and the playmaking (and the rebounding, BTW), make up hugely for Doncic against the defense argument, which gap I think is also reducing lately.

[rapstarter]

Shooters can have bad nights, but what's been weird this playoffs is Tatum's averaging almost the same number of TOs as Luka despite carrying significantly lower load.

[Mavrelous]

Shooters can have bad nights, but what's been weird this playoffs is Tatum's averaging almost the same number of TOs as Luka despite carrying significantly lower load.

Tatum is facing much better defenses, Luka is also being assigned the best defenders, but being the offense initiator, he's getting screen designed to get him the matchup he wants.

[Bob8]

Speaking as a C’s fan my whole life and I’m a day late and dollar short of seeing this thread. With that said I’d trade Tatum and the next (7) 1R picks they own for Luka and never look back. Luka is a star and Tatum is a Robin pretending to be Batman. Couldn’t even imagine rolling Smart (I know you hate or love him), Brown, Luka, Horford, Timelord out. Tatum cares more about getting inked up then learning how to be a true #1 and even then (7) 1R picks and Tatum is stealing from Dallas in such a hypothetical.

Don't blame you for being willing to hypothetically trade him for Luka but i've never seen or heard any celtics fan talk about tatum so negatively.

Led his team to 51 wins, came 5th in MVP, is putting up 28/6/6 on 59 TS% in the playoffs and took team to ECF. Series isn't over. Cares more about getting inked up? The guy has improved tremendously since his rookie year and lived up to the hype.

After game thread is pretty brutal on Celtics board.

I agree that overreactions after bad games are stupid.

[rapstarter]

Shooters can have bad nights, but what's been weird this playoffs is Tatum's averaging almost the same number of TOs as Luka despite carrying significantly lower load.

Tatum is facing much better defenses, Luka is also being assigned the best defenders, but being the offense initiator, he's getting screen designed to get him the matchup he wants.

Wouldn't say he's faced much better defenses. Utah, Phoenix and Golden State are overall better defensively than Brooklyn, Milwaukee and Miami.

[Archx]

Tatum has the luxury of having bad nights, he has players around him that can go off any time when he is cold. Luka basically needs to be 110% every game.
But i still think Tatum is becoming slightly underrated at this point. If Celtics get in to the finals or even if they win a ring, this thread will go into overdrive and a lot of people will change their opinions.