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Post#801 » by Negrodamus » Sat May 21, 2022 6:03 pm



Getting into the Jalen Williams game recently. He looks like he's trying to mimic some Harden moves (dribble through his right leg like 5 times before making a move). Definitely seems to have taken control of the offense while in the game. 6'5 with 7'2 wingspan. Kinda has a goofy looking body out there but gets to the rim pretty easily.
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Post#802 » by Negrodamus » Sat May 21, 2022 6:23 pm

I don't know man, the more I watch him, it feels like people will wonder why he didn't go in the lottery. He doesn't have the requisite numbers I'm looking for and he's already 21, but the dude can cook, has great shooting profile, and is tall/long. I absolutely won't be mad if we took Jalen Williams with our first.

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Post#803 » by Arsenal » Sat May 21, 2022 6:56 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I don't know man, the more I watch him, it feels like people will wonder why he didn't go in the lottery. He doesn't have the requisite numbers I'm looking for and he's already 21, but the dude can cook, has great shooting profile, and is tall/long. I absolutely won't be mad if we took Jalen Williams with our first.

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Rumors are he's flying up the board post-combine. Some say he could go lotto.

I'd be very happy w/him at #23 overall.

I'm also curious about how he compares to Wendell Moore. Their numbers and measurements are very similar:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/wendell-moore
https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-williams
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Post#804 » by Negrodamus » Sat May 21, 2022 7:10 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:I don't know man, the more I watch him, it feels like people will wonder why he didn't go in the lottery. He doesn't have the requisite numbers I'm looking for and he's already 21, but the dude can cook, has great shooting profile, and is tall/long. I absolutely won't be mad if we took Jalen Williams with our first.

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Rumors are he's flying up the board post-combine. Some say he could go lotto.

I'd be very happy w/him at #23 overall.

I'm also curious about how he compares to Wendell Moore. Their numbers and measurements are very similar:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/wendell-moore
https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-williams


Yea, just reading those rumors. I think Wendell Moore is low risk - medium reward (but there is upside for high reward) type player. He'll be at minimum, a good bench player who can mold his game into whatever the team needs.

Jalen Williams is a medium risk - high reward. Chose small school after a growth spurt his senior year. Is an on-ball player who put up great combine athletic numbers, but looks like a middle of the road athlete on the court. Crazy wingspan, great size. Reminds me of not crazy Kevin Porter. In fact quite the opposite mentality, Jalen's demeanor really comes off as highly intelligent and a hard worker.

If Jalen can get his three point volume up and tighten up his handles, he's an instant impact type player. His advanced stats scare me though. Wasn't off the charts in that respect despite having the green light to do whatever he wanted.
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Post#805 » by Kobblehead » Sat May 21, 2022 9:37 pm

Juzang has a 6'11" wingspan! He seems oddly underrated. His scoring numbers at UCLA were very strong and he's extremely skilled. I have no doubt this guy will be a very valuable bench F that can come in a sling it from three.
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Post#806 » by stormi » Sat May 21, 2022 11:49 pm

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Don't see a way where he doesn't stick around in the NBA. Good shooter, good defender, taller for a guard, very very good passer.

De'Anthony Melton / Tyus Jones vibes. Players that kept the Grizz offense churning whenever Ja didn't play.
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Post#807 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 22, 2022 1:00 am

Michael Foster Jr. is another underated guy. PF who can rebound, block shots, and hit 75% of his free throws. And only 19. He seems like he should be a 1st round pick.
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Post#808 » by Negrodamus » Sun May 22, 2022 1:44 am

If Harden is going to be a 2+ year situation for us and Jalen Williams is on the board, he’s my pick. Give him two years to learn for James and work on his conditioning and strength and I think we have an eventual starter on our hands. Not sure he’ll be there at our pick though.

It’s a departure from my normal procedure, but his PnR game is way too lethal. Excellent vision along with a scorers mentality. He’ll be a stud, especially if groomed under the right circumstances. Looks better than Poole as a prospect.
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Post#809 » by 76ciology » Sun May 22, 2022 3:07 am

Knowing what you know now..

Where do you think Jaden Springer lands in this year’s draft,
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Post#810 » by Negrodamus » Sun May 22, 2022 4:48 am

If we’re going by what he did at Tennessee, then this is a worse draft, so probably fringe lottery.

If we’re going by G League performance, mid second round. He hasn’t improved as a shooter at all. Problematic in terms of potential as a scorer.
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Post#811 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 22, 2022 12:14 pm

76ciology wrote:Knowing what you know now..

Where do you think Jaden Springer lands in this year’s draft,

30-40 range is where I think he'd deserve to get taken based on his offensive regression in the G-league.

There are some really skill-less, crappy players mocked in the first round of this draft (including lotto), though. So I would have to guess his youth/defense gets him drafted in the 1st round. Probably same range or a little higher.
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Post#812 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 22, 2022 12:18 pm

I wonder if the Kings are going to be the team that gambles on Shaedon Sharpe. They seem like the team with the bleakest future and in most need of a big swing.
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Post#813 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 22, 2022 12:30 pm

Matteo Spagnolo with a 6'8" wingspan is a big deal. He's flying up my personal board. He's only 19 and one of the best pure shooters in this draft. I hope we sell dudes like Thybulle for extra picks because there's guys in this draft I think we can re-shape our future with.
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Post#814 » by 76ciology » Sun May 22, 2022 12:31 pm

Kobblehead wrote:I wonder if the Kings are going to be the team that gambles on Shaedon Sharpe. They seem like the team with the bleakest future and in most need of a big swing.


Thats a very good possibility. It might also explain why they were open to trade Haliburton, aside to already having Mitchell and Fox already.

Another good possibility is Banchero or my pick, Murray. Kings play a double PF set-up throughout last season. Usually teams put a place holder on their targets in the draft.

Speaking of which, I do think Magic will pick Holmgren.
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Post#815 » by 76ciology » Sun May 22, 2022 12:34 pm

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76ciology wrote:Knowing what you know now..

Where do you think Jaden Springer lands in this year’s draft,

30-40 range is where I think he'd deserve to get taken based on his offensive regression in the G-league.

There are some really skill-less, crappy players mocked in the first round of this draft (including lotto), though. So I would have to guess his youth/defense gets him drafted in the 1st round. Probably same range or a little higher.


Negrodamus wrote:If we’re going by what he did at Tennessee, then this is a worse draft, so probably fringe lottery.

If we’re going by G League performance, mid second round. He hasn’t improved as a shooter at all. Problematic in terms of potential as a scorer.


Is he that much worse than Dyson Daniels and Jaden Hardy?

I think Jaden has some value on teams who wants to roll the dice with a high ceiling guy in the draft but is in a territory to select a projected role player (which we need).
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Post#816 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 22, 2022 12:51 pm

I think it would make sense to keep Springer on the roster and see if he develops offensively. We already know he can be a defensive role player and he's cheap for the next several years.
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Post#817 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 22, 2022 1:17 pm

I wonder what the Magic's internal thoughts on Franz Wagner are. Do they think he can get to a Tatum level one day? That would play into their decision of what they do at #1, I would imagine.
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Post#818 » by stormi » Sun May 22, 2022 4:29 pm

So Jalen Williams blew up the combines skills testing, 5v5 portion and athletically with his vert and measurables. Lottery talent?

Seems like a lot of extremely undervalued guys this year.
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Post#819 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 22, 2022 5:11 pm

stormi wrote:So Jalen Williams blew up the combines skills testing, 5v5 portion and athletically with his vert and measurables. Lottery talent?

Feels like a lot of guys have really showed out this past week. Draft is a complete toss-up after pick 3. Should be one of the more fun ones to watch.

His freshman and sophomore year numbers are pretty weak. And he played in a bad conference. Looks like he shot 35% from the field in two games against Gonzaga, as well, so no real statement against legit competition.

Junior year numbers check out, but I have concerns about dudes that only breakout as upperclassmen. Especially when they're coming from a crap conference that they should be dominating as a freshman if they're a serious NBA talent.
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Post#820 » by Negrodamus » Sun May 22, 2022 5:12 pm

stormi wrote:So Jalen Williams blew up the combines skills testing, 5v5 portion and athletically with his vert and measurables. Lottery talent?

Feels like a lot of guys have really showed out this past week. Draft is a complete toss-up after pick 3. Should be one of the more fun ones to watch.


Yea, probably. There's superstar level tools that he has. It could blow up in the face of the team who drafts him, but his full scope of work really suggests he's going to be a good player, so I wouldn't fault a team grabbing him even top ten.

It's definitely a weird draft. I think the movement between now and draft day is going to be pretty drastic. Guys like Laravia, Moore, Hardy, Williams will all move into the lottery area and guys like Agbaji, Griffin, and TyTy will probably drop.

I think Terquavion Smith is due for a huge jump too. I'm not on board with him, but could see a team that wants an insane shooter reaching for him.

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