Well Crap.....7th Pick....

[Goldbum]

I would trade down with Charlotte for the 13 and 15 if it means we get 2 of Daniel, Sochan, Eason and Dieng. Sign Bamba at the MLE and offer #36+59+Keon+Bucks25 for Grant. I'm convinced that's the best offer Detroit gets especially creating the TPE once they sign Brunson.

[Wizenheimer]

probably hoping for 'too much' but I'm wondering if Detroit would send Grant and #5 for #7, the Milwaukee 2025 pick and a future 2nd (or the 36th pick).

Detroit dumps Grant without taking on any salary and they do so by only moving down 2 slots while picking up and extra 1st plus a 2nd

this would be a robbery. Detroit is not dumping Grant for a 2025 bucks first and giving up 2 spots.

it depends. I think it's pretty obvious that Grant isn't in their long term plans. It's also obvious that Grant is very unlikely to re-sign in Detroit. He's essentially said as much. And he's an expiring contract at a time when expiring contracts have little value. His trade value is not going to increase between now and the next trade deadline. It's only going to drop

so then, what other teams have shown much interest in Grant? I haven't heard of a single one besides Portland. If the Blazers are refusing to trade the 7th pick for Grant (as they absolutely should), where does that leave the Pistons?

A 2 slot drop in the draft is not a significant drop in that the only team that the Pistons would have to 'game-plan' is Indiana. It could easily be that the player Detroit is targeting at 5 will still be there at 7. The chances that both Detroit and Indiana want the same player would be small.

meaning it could cost Detroit nothing at all to drop from 5 to 7. But they would be gaining an extra 1st round pick and an immediate 21M reduction in next season's cap-space. And that would mean they could be players in the free agent market while still absorbing Bagley's 28M cap-hold. If he re-signs for half that, Pistons would have max-level cap-space. Not only all that, by getting the player they want at 7 instead of 5, Detroit would be saving around 1.2M in first year salary and 10M over the 4 year life of the rookie-scale contract.

it's likely an improbable trade but it's sure not a far-fetched scenario and Detroit could have very good reasons for considering that deal

[Goldbum]

I agree that Detroit won't get some amazing offer. I don't think the trade down would happen though. I'm starting to get Obi Toppin/TRob vibes with Murray. Super productive upperclassmen who could underwhelm in the league.

Honestly #36 + Bucks 25+ Keon and TPE is a lot for Grant. I also think Keon could develop into the perfect compliment to Motor Cade. Great sized back court for them, with a possible Elite point of attack defender who plays best off the ball but can handle, pass, and hit the Spot up 3 ball. He's fast enough to guard PGs but tall/long enough to keep that a BIG backcourt. If you pair Cade with a smaller guard his size doesn't create the mismatches it should.

[Wizenheimer]

Spoiler:

I still can't understand the fixation on Grant... like he's the solution. For the record, I'd much rather just draft Williams from Duke and call it a day, versus using that pick on an expensive veteran role player. I like the idea of trading down if we can still get the big fella later in the draft order, but with the level of talent throughout the top 20, I think other teams may be more hesitant than in previous years. I also worry that Williams may go top 10 with recent hype.

I know drafting Williams does nothing to address our current gaping hole at PF, but I love the idea of having: Nurkic / Williams / Watford / Eubanks. The PF position would be addressed (If it were up to me) by using our biggest remaining asset... Dame. Now that the picking order is set, trade talks should really start heating up with the draft just a month away. I don't know if HOU would want to trade #3, but I would if I was our GM, because Banchero + Williams would be a dream come true.

Dame for Wall/Woods/#3
...cut cj

Simons / Williams / Dunn
Hart / MAC / Keon
Winslow / Little
Banchero / Woods / GB3
Nurkic / Williams / Watford / Eubanks

PDX would never send Dame to Houston. Dame would want to go somewhere he can win.
Houston doesnt want a 32 year old Dame. They can get a 35 vet on a min contract if they want some "mentorship"
Winslow starting at the 3? man..everytime i see winslow being overrated by blazer fans...We cant have only 2 players that can shoot the 3 in the starting lineup.

yeah, there are some stubborn misconceptions out there that the Blazers would be able to leverage some 'godfather' package for trading Dame. Will not happen

to start with, Dame's trade value right now is probably lower than it's ever been. For that reason alone, without considering all the others, trading him now would be stupid. Objectively, he's a soon to be 32 year old 6'2 PG on a super-max contract coming off his worst season in the NBA who missed 2/3 of it because of surgery to correct a chronic injury. No team will pony up a bunch of great assets for that

more than that though is the reality that the only teams that would be willing to trade for Dame, and his contract, now and in the future, would be the teams that would believe Dame would be the final piece to a championship. Those very few teams will not have any top-10 or lottery picks to trade. It will be a pick or picks in the bottom end of the first round. And those teams are unlikely to have a collection of promising young players they are willing to dump. What those teams will have is a negative contract or two that will be needed to match Dame's salary

trading Dame would be dumb and will almost certainly yield a disappointing return. If you don't agree than ask yourself what Portland got for CJ

[jebdrbhjb]

The problem with these Charotte deals is that the player drop off from 7-13

I get your point...but next to the MLB draft, the NBA draft is the second biggest crap-shoot. Oden over Durant. Bowie over Jordan. Nolan Smith over Jimmy Butler. I'd get carpel tunnel typing all of the examples. I think we need to look at the LA Rams and start thinking that 1st round picks are over-rated and looking at established NBA players. At least you know what you're getting.

[Case2012]

I'm not really worried about it with our new GM. I fully trust whoever he's into. I know Murray is probably his favorite player in the draft, so it sucks that we're probably just out of reach, but if Daniels, or Griffin etc move up I think we'll take him. Even more excited about what he'll do with the second round picks though. I think we'll find some gems there too.

[Norm2953]

probably hoping for 'too much' but I'm wondering if Detroit would send Grant and #5 for #7, the Milwaukee 2025 pick and a future 2nd (or the 36th pick).

Detroit dumps Grant without taking on any salary and they do so by only moving down 2 slots while picking up and extra 1st plus a 2nd

this would be a robbery. Detroit is not dumping Grant for a 2025 bucks first and giving up 2 spots.

it depends. I think it's pretty obvious that Grant isn't in their long term plans. It's also obvious that Grant is very unlikely to re-sign in Detroit. He's essentially said as much. And he's an expiring contract at a time when expiring contracts have little value. His trade value is not going to increase between now and the next trade deadline. It's only going to drop

so then, what other teams have shown much interest in Grant? I haven't heard of a single one besides Portland. If the Blazers are refusing to trade the 7th pick for Grant (as they absolutely should), where does that leave the Pistons?

A 2 slot drop in the draft is not a significant drop in that the only team that the Pistons would have to 'game-plan' is Indiana. It could easily be that the player Detroit is targeting at 5 will still be there at 7. The chances that both Detroit and Indiana want the same player would be small.

meaning it could cost Detroit nothing at all to drop from 5 to 7. But they would be gaining an extra 1st round pick and an immediate 21M reduction in next season's cap-space. And that would mean they could be players in the free agent market while still absorbing Bagley's 28M cap-hold. If he re-signs for half that, Pistons would have max-level cap-space. Not only all that, by getting the player they want at 7 instead of 5, Detroit would be saving around 1.2M in first year salary and 10M over the 4 year life of the rookie-scale contract.

it's likely an improbable trade but it's sure not a far-fetched scenario and Detroit could have very good reasons for considering that deal

This all depends on what the Kings do at 4 for if they go with Murray, Detroit would be looking at Ivey, Sharpe and DD
at 5, one of whom will still be there at 7.

It would be a HR (for once) if Portland was able to get Grant while keeping their pick at 7. They don't need the pick swap
for the guy they pick at 7 is likely the same guy they would pick at 5

[BlazersBroncos]

Wildcard in any Grant deal is how the Pistons FO rated Keon coming out in 2021. If they see him as a good fit next to Cade (And IMO he is, defensive oriented, speed to guard PGs, promising 3PT FG improvement from college to NBA, low usage) then Keon + MIL25 may get it done. People are sleeping on how highly rated Johnson was coming out. DET may have had him as a lotto talent for all we know (He was the Nas Little level faller in 2021, projected Top-10 for most of the process).