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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2621 » by buzzkilloton » Mon May 23, 2022 1:24 am

After consuming more weed and draft content I actually do think 1.Sharpe 2.Ivey is the way.

Its not just his size,athletic ability, and length that translates its his nasty step back. He likes taking really tough shots this kid is a shot maker. The first step isnt the best but the long strides give him a nice 2nd and 3rd step that could give us a potential 3level scorer.

I feel like Ivey is safer then Sharpe but has less of a ceiling due to less size and shooting ability. When I think of the high end outcomes for what Sharpe can be it would magic in the backcourt with Cade. Its of course a huge risk but going into year two of Cade its all about shooting for the moon.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2622 » by The Moose » Mon May 23, 2022 2:36 am

https://theathletic.com/3325296/2022/05/22/jeremy-sochan-nba-draft-combine/

Representatives from the Grizzlies, Wizards, Magic, Pistons, Knicks, Bulls, Pelicans, Bucks and Spurs were among the many in attendance Friday. The Spurs and Knicks are among the teams that conducted interviews with him during the week; Sochan gushed about meeting Manu Ginóbili, part of San Antonio’s entourage in Chicago. The workout didn’t likely change many minds about the 6-9 Sochan, who was Big 12 Sixth Man of the Year, an All-Big 12 honorable mention selection and a member of the Big 12 All-Freshman team despite modest, terrestrial numbers (9.2 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists). Sochan’s game evolved as his multicolored hairstyles did this season.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2623 » by MotownMadness » Mon May 23, 2022 2:42 am

The Moose wrote:https://theathletic.com/3325296/2022/05/22/jeremy-sochan-nba-draft-combine/

Representatives from the Grizzlies, Wizards, Magic, Pistons, Knicks, Bulls, Pelicans, Bucks and Spurs were among the many in attendance Friday. The Spurs and Knicks are among the teams that conducted interviews with him during the week; Sochan gushed about meeting Manu Ginóbili, part of San Antonio’s entourage in Chicago. The workout didn’t likely change many minds about the 6-9 Sochan, who was Big 12 Sixth Man of the Year, an All-Big 12 honorable mention selection and a member of the Big 12 All-Freshman team despite modest, terrestrial numbers (9.2 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists). Sochan’s game evolved as his multicolored hairstyles did this season.

Isn't he a pretty good defender?
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2624 » by Invictus88 » Mon May 23, 2022 2:44 am

buzzkilloton wrote:After consuming more weed and draft content I actually do think 1.Sharpe 2.Ivey is the way.

Its not just his size,athletic ability, and length that translates its his nasty step back. He likes taking really tough shots this kid is a shot maker.


So this is a trap that's easy to fall into when watching highlight reels. What you don't see is what is happening in all of the other footage.

More questions in order of importance:
1. Is he always taking tough shots? If so, why?
2. Does he have poor shot selection? Is it a bbiq issue?
3. Does he lack athleticism or technique to navigate to easier baskets?
4. Does he make them on a consistent basis or only in highlights?

If I'm scouting a high school player making a jump to the NBA the last thing I want to see is a guy having to do extraordinary things to overcome other high school kids.

Rather, I want to see him roflstomping his opponents as he is effortlessly outclassing inferior competition.

Sharpe might still be the guy but it should be for other reasons besides this.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2625 » by The Moose » Mon May 23, 2022 2:45 am

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The Moose wrote:https://theathletic.com/3325296/2022/05/22/jeremy-sochan-nba-draft-combine/

Representatives from the Grizzlies, Wizards, Magic, Pistons, Knicks, Bulls, Pelicans, Bucks and Spurs were among the many in attendance Friday. The Spurs and Knicks are among the teams that conducted interviews with him during the week; Sochan gushed about meeting Manu Ginóbili, part of San Antonio’s entourage in Chicago. The workout didn’t likely change many minds about the 6-9 Sochan, who was Big 12 Sixth Man of the Year, an All-Big 12 honorable mention selection and a member of the Big 12 All-Freshman team despite modest, terrestrial numbers (9.2 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.8 assists). Sochan’s game evolved as his multicolored hairstyles did this season.

Isn't he a pretty good defender?


very good yea

To me, he's sort of the opposite end of the spectrum as a defender compared to Eason. Eason is all about athleticism/chaos/activity/tools, Sochan is all about smarts/fundamentals/technique
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2626 » by buzzkilloton » Mon May 23, 2022 3:09 am

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buzzkilloton wrote:After consuming more weed and draft content I actually do think 1.Sharpe 2.Ivey is the way.

Its not just his size,athletic ability, and length that translates its his nasty step back. He likes taking really tough shots this kid is a shot maker.


So this is a trap that's easy to fall into when watching highlight reels. What you don't see is what is happening in all of the other footage.

More questions in order of importance:
1. Is he always taking tough shots? If so, why?
2. Does he have poor shot selection? Is it a bbiq issue?
3. Does he lack athleticism or technique to navigate to easier baskets?
4. Does he make them on a consistent basis or only in highlights?

If I'm scouting a high school player making a jump to the NBA the last thing I want to see is a guy having to do extraordinary things to overcome other high school kids.

Rather, I want to see him roflstomping his opponents as he is effortlessly outclassing inferior competition.

Sharpe might still be the guy but it should be for other reasons besides this.


He was a rank 1 prospect that has high end athletic ability ofc he can easily score on high schoolers.

I worry about these kind of prospects just driving inside everytime because they can. Its rare to find big athletic guards who can shoot because they dont need to shoot in low level play to score usually. Hes showing off the ability to shoot and make nba level step backs that you see big time scorers have to make in the NBA. Thats a the shot clock is winding down you give it to Sharpe and we got a 35% 3pter u cant defend.

This is why I get excited about the step back 3pter. I couldnt find the current list but this is from late 2021 with %. Its not that he has to make "hard" shots its that this shot cant be defended. Thats a legit nba shot that top end scorers rely on good luck guarding that hes 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan.

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2627 » by ComboGuardCity » Mon May 23, 2022 4:25 am

buzzkilloton wrote:
Invictus88 wrote:
buzzkilloton wrote:After consuming more weed and draft content I actually do think 1.Sharpe 2.Ivey is the way.

Its not just his size,athletic ability, and length that translates its his nasty step back. He likes taking really tough shots this kid is a shot maker.


So this is a trap that's easy to fall into when watching highlight reels. What you don't see is what is happening in all of the other footage.

More questions in order of importance:
1. Is he always taking tough shots? If so, why?
2. Does he have poor shot selection? Is it a bbiq issue?
3. Does he lack athleticism or technique to navigate to easier baskets?
4. Does he make them on a consistent basis or only in highlights?

If I'm scouting a high school player making a jump to the NBA the last thing I want to see is a guy having to do extraordinary things to overcome other high school kids.

Rather, I want to see him roflstomping his opponents as he is effortlessly outclassing inferior competition.

Sharpe might still be the guy but it should be for other reasons besides this.


He was a rank 1 prospect that has high end athletic ability ofc he can easily score on high schoolers.

I worry about these kind of prospects just driving inside everytime because they can. Its rare to find big athletic guards who can shoot because they dont need to shoot in low level play to score usually. Hes showing off the ability to shoot and make nba level step backs that you see big time scorers have to make in the NBA. Thats a the shot clock is winding down you give it to Sharpe and we got a 35% 3pter u cant defend.

This is why I get excited about the step back 3pter. I couldnt find the current list but this is from late 2021 with %. Its not that he has to make "hard" shots its that this shot cant be defended. Thats a legit nba shot that top end scorers rely on good luck guarding that hes 6'5 with a 6'11 wingspan.

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I’m all for gambling on Sharpe, but athletic 2s that can shoot but don’t drive also include Ben Mclemore and Terrance Ross. Some guys just don’t have that break down ability. I’m hoping Sharpe develops it and honestly a TRoss isn’t the worst thing in the world in such a ? Draft.
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Post#2628 » by buzzkilloton » Mon May 23, 2022 4:46 am

Who said hes not going to be able to drive>? He doesnt have a quick first step but hes 2nd and 3rd step really cover ground due to length and hops. You draft him for his ceiling which is a potential 3 level scorer.

Could he be Ben M? Sure thats possible. OTOH even the higher floor pick lotto guys can bust. Murray could be Derrick Williams and Mathurin could be KCP. When I'm drafting at 5 im not thinking about worst case im aiming for the moon.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2629 » by FloridaMan78 » Mon May 23, 2022 6:36 am

buzzkilloton wrote:Who said hes not going to be able to drive>? He doesnt have a quick first step but hes 2nd and 3rd step really cover ground due to length and hops. You draft him for his ceiling which is a potential 3 level scorer.

Could he be Ben M? Sure thats possible. OTOH even the higher floor pick lotto guys can bust. Murray could be Derrick Williams and Mathurin could be KCP. When I'm drafting at 5 im not thinking about worst case im aiming for the moon.


Sharpe’s dribble drives start at 6:15


Once the defender takes away his jump shot and gets into his chest, Sharpe has to drive or pass. NBA defenders will know this too and will be more difficult than high schoolers.

I still think he’s Diallo with a jumpshot with the potential to learn to drive which is still really good and valuable. But he’s not driving to the hoop in the NBA with these skills right now.
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Post#2630 » by tmorgan » Mon May 23, 2022 6:42 am

Also keep in mind that this tape on Sharpe is from over a year ago, for good and for bad.
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Post#2631 » by Kalamazoo317 » Mon May 23, 2022 2:52 pm

After hearing more about him, I'm warming up to Murray more. But I'd want that pick to come along with a Grant trade. If we trade Grant, Murray is my top choice. If we don't, it's Mathurin. I think those guys are both great fits and winners. I worry Ivey is a Deangelo Russel type and Sharpe is too much of an unknown, IMO. My dream scenario would be trading Grant for that 7th pick and getting both Murray and Mathurin, then probably adding a big man in free agency.
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Post#2632 » by NYPiston » Mon May 23, 2022 2:54 pm

Pharaoh wrote:Think after the top 3 it goes a little something like this:

Murray is the "safe" pick for anyone.

Ivey has Morant/Westbrook vibes but Sharpe, Daniels and Mathurin could eclipse him there.

The more I see of Mathurin the more I like tbh but there isn't much to watch of Sharpe and Daniels.

All that said I still stick with Murray as I've always picked those kind of players - he's just a better offensive player due to his age.

I do believe we could play Grant, Murray & Bey together for significant minutes too

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I don't understand how that would work.
In this scenario, are you playing Bey at the 2? I don't see Bey as a guard whatsoever so if Murray is the pick, you'd think that somebody is being moved out or they're just not signing Grant to an extension (assuming that Murray is relegated to the bench for his rookie season) because I don't see how Murray gets in the starting lineup with Grant here.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2633 » by NYPiston » Mon May 23, 2022 3:01 pm

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Sharpe’s dribble drives start at 6:15


Once the defender takes away his jump shot and gets into his chest, Sharpe has to drive or pass. NBA defenders will know this too and will be more difficult than high schoolers.

I still think he’s Diallo with a jumpshot with the potential to learn to drive which is still really good and valuable. But he’s not driving to the hoop in the NBA with these skills right now.


All Diallo does is slash to the hoop, I don't see the comparison at all. Ivey is more like Diallo than Sharpe is and even they aren't all that similar.
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Post#2634 » by 7r5ur » Mon May 23, 2022 3:36 pm

I'm not totally sold on anyone here, but I'm fine if they take Murray as long as they also move Jerami. I don't want to see the #5 pick wasting away on the bench with Grant playing for a new contract, especially since the whole idea with Keegan is that he's ready to go from day 1. He should be a starter or playing huge minutes from the bench. Don't see that happening with Grant and Bey.

This is pretty much a "trust in Weaver" kind of pick. I'll be OK with any of Ivey, Sharpe, Mathurin, and Keegan, because I'll assume Weaver saw what he wanted in the workouts and they're all kind of in a similar range for me. A part of me would lean toward Ivey if he's around because this team really could use someone with that kind of burst and ability to get to the line.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2635 » by coolness » Mon May 23, 2022 7:59 pm

"Diallo with a jump shot" is a very good player.
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Post#2636 » by FloridaMan78 » Mon May 23, 2022 8:48 pm

coolness wrote:"Diallo with a jump shot" is a very good player.

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Post#2637 » by FloridaMan78 » Mon May 23, 2022 8:52 pm

NYPiston wrote:
FloridaMan78 wrote:
Sharpe’s dribble drives start at 6:15


Once the defender takes away his jump shot and gets into his chest, Sharpe has to drive or pass. NBA defenders will know this too and will be more difficult than high schoolers.

I still think he’s Diallo with a jumpshot with the potential to learn to drive which is still really good and valuable. But he’s not driving to the hoop in the NBA with these skills right now.


All Diallo does is slash to the hoop, I don't see the comparison at all. Ivey is more like Diallo than Sharpe is and even they aren't all that similar.


I see a lot of what Diallo does in what Sharpe does. All of Sharpe’s dunks if you look closely, are open lane dunks. Cuts, alley oops. His defense is similar too. Rebounding too. But Sharpe can hit open jump shots. Not sure if Sharpe’s step backs and pull ups will be as effective in the NBA with better defenders with scouting reports saying he can’t drive to the hoop.
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Post#2638 » by buzzkilloton » Tue May 24, 2022 6:21 am

He compares himself to Booker and Beal. I can see the Beal but hes taller and longer.

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2639 » by The Moose » Tue May 24, 2022 2:39 pm

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/33969912/winners-losers-2022-nba-draft-combine

Dyson Daniels (Top 100: No. 6)
Daniels continued his rapid ascent with an impressive showing at the Octagon Pro Day, where he displayed impressive shot-making prowess. Decision-makers from virtually every team in the NBA lottery were on hand to watch what appeared to be, in my view, the most eye-opening workout of the week in Chicago. NBA teams were buzzing afterward about Daniels' talent, throwing out comparisons to the likes of Tyrese Haliburton and Khris Middleton.

Daniels, an alumnus of the NBA Global Academy and G League Ignite program, has grown considerably in the past few years, adding 3 inches and 30 pounds of bulk. Even so, he appears nowhere close to reaching his physical potential with an outstanding frame and near 7-foot wingspan. The knowledge that Daniels has guard skills, with measurements that should allow him to moonlight at power forward as his frame fills out over time, is intriguing in today's NBA. The way teams rave about Daniels' interviews at the combine and the background intel they have received is clearly working in his favor. There's a real comfort level with what seems to be an extremely high floor for Daniels as a prospect, while the thought process regarding his ultimate ceiling appears to be evolving daily. -- Givony


Dyson Daniels up to no.6 on ESPN's board, ahead of Sharpe

Their big board atm:

1. Chet
2. Jabari
3. Paolo
4. Ivey
5. Murray
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2640 » by ComboGuardCity » Tue May 24, 2022 2:50 pm

If all signs point to not getting Ayton, I’d like to trade back in with Grant and try and nab Duren

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