2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

Chi town · Post #601 » by **Chi town** » Mon May 23, 2022 2:08 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
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And KB’s vert was tops.

Drills are worthless as indicators of in game performance.

Yes and No.

Brown shot 38% from 3 on low volume during the season. His mechanics are good but he’s a set shooter and really takes his time. Him making them in a high pressure workout with scouts watching and him basically determining his draft status, first contract… millions on the line. Yeah, it means something.

Almost Retired · Post #602 » by **Almost Retired** » Mon May 23, 2022 3:38 pm

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If nothing else Cockburn would certainly add an "enforcer" piece to our bench. If some punk like Grayson Allen takes a swipe at us you send Kofi in to throw a few "inadvertent" elbows. Tit for tat. That might make other teams think twice about throwing cheap shots that seem to lead to long term injuries for our guys. Cockburn is an absolute beast of a physical specimen. Second round talent only because the league evolved away from large centers.

Almost Retired · Post #603 » by **Almost Retired** » Mon May 23, 2022 3:45 pm

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And KB’s vert was tops.

Lots of poster here keep saying we should take BPA. Well, of the players possibly available at #18 Kendall Brown is far and away my Number 1 choice. He has the highest upside of almost anyone in the entire draft. He just turned 19 on May 11th. Extremely athletic. Best vertical in the class. Quick twitch athleticism. HE made great strides last year in finishing at the rim. Great in transition. And an above average defender. But I fear if the scouts fully appreciate that he can also shoot that he will be gone before #18 unfortunately. If I were a GM in the mid to late lottery I'd give the kid lots of consideration. His upside is huge.

Almost Retired · Post #604 » by **Almost Retired** » Mon May 23, 2022 3:53 pm

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I sure wish we had a couple of 2nd round picks this year. This kid, for 18 years old, has real potential. Nice fluid and relatively quick release on his jump shot. He'd be a project for sure, but in 2 or 3 years you might really have something. That part of the world has produced some very good and at least one great big man already.

Chi town · Post #605 » by **Chi town** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:32 pm

Almost Retired wrote:
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And KB’s vert was tops.

Lots of poster here keep saying we should take BPA. Well, of the players possibly available at #18 Kendall Brown is far and away my Number 1 choice. He has the highest upside of almost anyone in the entire draft. He just turned 19 on May 11th. Extremely athletic. Best vertical in the class. Quick twitch athleticism. HE made great strides last year in finishing at the rim. Great in transition. And an above average defender. But I fear if the scouts fully appreciate that he can also shoot that he will be gone before #18 unfortunately. If I were a GM in the mid to late lottery I'd give the kid lots of consideration. His upside is huge.

Agreed.

There will be a really good player drafted at 18 or after. AK has to get that player. Get the best player in the draft at that spot like he did with Ayo last year.

bad knees · Post #606 » by **bad knees** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:33 pm

Just a reminder, regarding 2nd round picks, that the first one we get will have to be forfeited to the league in connection with the tampering investigation. So for us to have a 2nd round pick that we would actually use this year, we would have to acquire two 2nd round picks. I don't see that happening.

Chi town · Post #607 » by **Chi town** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:36 pm

bad knees wrote:Just a reminder, regarding 2nd round picks, that the first one we get will have to be forfeited to the league in connection with the tampering investigation. So for us to have a 2nd round pick that we would actually use this year, we would have to acquire two 2nd round picks. I don't see that happening.

18 for 22 and 29 from MEM?

DropStep · Post #608 » by **DropStep** » Mon May 23, 2022 4:46 pm

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The miss rate is high on kids that young, but even if it hits, you only have control through their early twenties (aside from Euro-stashes). Then you get to watch the result of your player development program enter his prime on another team. Even if you match an offer sheet and keep the player, you have a nice asset, but you're paying around market value. The only way I can think of for it to be a major win for the drafting team is if the player is a huge max-ish star by age 22-23, with no real plan b. I'm ok with a moon shot at 18, if AK believes, but it seems like a low-probability lottery ticket for a Giannis rather than the solid, team-building pick I expect from them.

Grodoboldo · Post #609 » by **Grodoboldo** » Mon May 23, 2022 6:17 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Sam Venecie of The Athletic has Tari Eason to Chicago as well in his latest mock.

https://theathletic.com/3312706/2022/05/17/nba-mock-draft-2022?source=user-shared-article

As well as EJ Liddell going 32nd to the Magic.
I wonder if OKC would be willing to trade #30 (remember kids, we owe our first available 2nd rounder to the league) for Coby.

Post #610 » by **chitownsports4ever** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:18 pm

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Jvaughn · Post #611 » by **Jvaughn** » Mon May 23, 2022 9:42 pm

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Love it!

Definitely not a guard Daniel, but nonetheless, good news.

bad knees · Post #612 » by **bad knees** » Mon May 23, 2022 10:48 pm

Chi town wrote:
bad knees wrote:Just a reminder, regarding 2nd round picks, that the first one we get will have to be forfeited to the league in connection with the tampering investigation. So for us to have a 2nd round pick that we would actually use this year, we would have to acquire two 2nd round picks. I don't see that happening.

18 for 22 and 29 from MEM?

Works for me!

The Box Office · Post #613 » by **The Box Office** » Mon May 23, 2022 10:49 pm

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:Sam Venecie of The Athletic has Tari Eason to Chicago as well in his latest mock.

Would love to have this actually happen without trading up to get him. If I had to trade up to get Tari, yes I do it depending on the deal.

Tari does a lot of things well, on offense and defense, with a strong 6-8 athletic body and massive hands, that not many prospects in this class can offer right now.

Dan Z · Post #614 » by **Dan Z** » Mon May 23, 2022 11:49 pm

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The miss rate is high on kids that young, but even if it hits, you only have control through their early twenties (aside from Euro-stashes). Then you get to watch the result of your player development program enter his prime on another team. Even if you match an offer sheet and keep the player, you have a nice asset, but you're paying around market value. The only way I can think of for it to be a major win for the drafting team is if the player is a huge max-ish star by age 22-23, with no real plan b. I'm ok with a moon shot at 18, if AK believes, but it seems like a low-probability lottery ticket for a Giannis rather than the solid, team-building pick I expect from them.

If AK (or any team) likes that player then why don't they just draft him? They can worry about years down the road when they come to it.

Also, how many players can you name who were drafted at a young age, developed with that team and then left once they were really good?

Andi Obst · Post #615 » by **Andi Obst** » Tue May 24, 2022 1:34 pm

I'm far from an expert on this class, but from my limited perspective I really like the spot the Bulls are in. This is where I'm at with our pick:

Dream scenario that probably won't happen:

- Tari Eason - If he falls, that's a no-brainer. Fit, tools, upside...he checks all the right boxes for me.

Favorite prospects mocked in the Bulls range:

- EJ Liddell - Really like his fit at the 4 for this team. The help defense in combination with the potential to become a good shooter is just hard to find. I think he can make an impact from day one.

- MarJon Beauchamp - Seems like the type of wing defender the Bulls desperately tried to find last season but with actual potential on offense. Great length and athleticism. I don't understand why he's ranked so low on many boards I've seen. Like why is Ochai Agbaji ranked ahead of him so often?

- Malaki Branham - Probably not the cleanest fit on the Bulls, but I like his game a lot. You can't have too many guys who can create their own offense and I think he has some serious potential there.

- Mark Williams - Not a fan of traditional big men (to say the least) but there's a very clear role for him at the next level. At 18, it's absolutely fine to make that pick IMO. Feel like his measurements will make him go much earlier, though.

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Random thoughts:

- Don't really love the guys in my "draft for high upside" tier (Dieng, Miller, Jovic, Baldwin) this year, but I can see the case for them as well.

- Jalen Williams intrigues me. Need to see more, but I understand why people are falling in love with him.

- I love Kenny Lofton. Hope he goes undrafted and the Bulls pick him up on a two-way.

TheSuzerain · Post #616 » by **TheSuzerain** » Tue May 24, 2022 2:20 pm

Lofton Jr is staying in the draft.

He is flatly a better prospect than Liddell imo.

DropStep · Post #617 » by **DropStep** » Tue May 24, 2022 3:00 pm

From a list of 25 youngest draftees as of last summer:

Robert Swift, Lampe, Karolev, Bender failed to varying degrees and didn't have an impact. Bruno Sundov, second round pick. Amir Johnson - second round pick, hung around a long time, but not much impact (7p/5r).

Sekou Doumbouya, we'll see.

Bill Willoughby, Darryl Dawkins, and Bob Santini were long enough ago that it doesn't matter.

Ersan Ilyasova - second round pick, went back and forth to Europe. Milwaukee got their money's worth from their pick, though - We'd be in good shape if we got the value from 18 that Milwaukee got with that second round pick.

Superstars are the best case, obviously. Hall of Famers - Dwight stayed 8 years, McGrady 3 and LeBron 7 (all leaving for greener pastures). Kobe Bryant stayed forever. But, we can't draft Americans out of high school anymore. Today they would be older, better known, and wouldn't be there at 18.

Atlanta matched an offer sheet for Josh Smith's second contract, so that's the market value case I mentioned. Utah matched CJ Miles' offer sheet, then he left at age 25. Biedrins was resigned with competition, also market value.

Guys who went to a different team in six years or less:
Jermaine O'Neal, Darko

, Al Harrington, Dorell Wright, Andrew Bynum. (Bynum was a star drafted out of high school, but was essentially done by his second contract.)

Greek Freak is the lottery ticket I mentioned. Kirilenko was also a max player.

HINrichPolice · Post #618 » by **HINrichPolice** » Tue May 24, 2022 3:21 pm

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Hell, get him at 18. I'm intrigued.

Andi Obst · Post #619 » by **Andi Obst** » Tue May 24, 2022 3:38 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Lofton Jr is staying in the draft.

He is flatly a better prospect than Liddell imo.

What makes him better in your opinion?

Jvaughn · Post #620 » by **Jvaughn** » Tue May 24, 2022 4:31 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:Lofton Jr is staying in the draft.

He is flatly a better prospect than Liddell imo.

His weight really scares me. He's got to get that under control. Definitely skilled though.

If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?