I am sold on Banchero for #1 pick.

[OrlChamps2030]

I'm not convinced Banchero would ever stay in Orlando past his rookie deal. Strikes me as a kid who will want out of a small market team asap.

Why though

[D12VCMagic]

I don’t think he’s a good fit here, and I’m not that thrilled over his game to draft him first overall. He can get buckets, but he needs the ball in his hands and he’s not necessarily a good three point shooter. Not to mention he is not good on defense at all. The reason why so many people throw the “old school” tag on him because he seems like an old school ISO scorer. If he can improve his three point shot and start putting effort on defense he might be damn good.

But with two prospects who shoot it better from outside and have more potential on the board, I just don’t consider Paolo. If he keeps around 30% from three in the pros we are going to have awful spacing headlined by a guy who wants the ball in his hands and wants to a find his way to the basket. I think the dude can be a really good player, but this isn’t the place for him. Just my take.

[The-Stallion70]

I am unsure but leaning towards Banchero. I am 60/40, 60 for Banchero, 40 for Smith.

[MagicFan101]

I don’t give a sh*t what any prospect can or can’t do today.

I care what I believe they have a realistic chance of being able to do over the next 3-5.

IMO, Chet has the most basketball talent among the 3. I really don’t see how that is in anyway debatable. In general, I don’t usually worry about low weight but his frame just worries me for the sake of injuries. We have a bad history of that. Do we want to take that risk against the chance of grabbing the kid with the highest ceiling?

Jabari probably has the second highest ceiling which is why he would be the “safer” but still very valid #1 overall pick. Good skills today while still drafting a guy you can develop into something much more.

Paolo to me is the super safe punt pick. He’s the guy with the least amount of room to grow but also the least amount of concerns. Someone is going to get a great NBA player in him but you are really going ultra conservative with that pick which is not what you do at #1.

Its extremely debatable. How can Banchero have the least amount to grow when he's younger then Chet? Just cause he's probably further along then Chet doesn't mean he still doesn't have tons of room to grow.

Ugh, no age has nothing to do with their potential for development. Come on man. Do better.

[IllMagic04]

I don’t give a sh*t what any prospect can or can’t do today.

I care what I believe they have a realistic chance of being able to do over the next 3-5.

IMO, Chet has the most basketball talent among the 3. I really don’t see how that is in anyway debatable. In general, I don’t usually worry about low weight but his frame just worries me for the sake of injuries. We have a bad history of that. Do we want to take that risk against the chance of grabbing the kid with the highest ceiling?

Jabari probably has the second highest ceiling which is why he would be the “safer” but still very valid #1 overall pick. Good skills today while still drafting a guy you can develop into something much more.

Paolo to me is the super safe punt pick. He’s the guy with the least amount of room to grow but also the least amount of concerns. Someone is going to get a great NBA player in him but you are really going ultra conservative with that pick which is not what you do at #1.

Its extremely debatable. How can Banchero have the least amount to grow when he's younger then Chet? Just cause he's probably further along then Chet doesn't mean he still doesn't have tons of room to grow.

Ugh, no age has nothing to do with their potential for development. Come on man. Do better.

What does it have to do with to you? Im judging things Banchero actually did at the college level and has the potential to grow and get those skills to a higher level. Your judging things Holmgren didn't do at the college level but you think he can do it anyway. Im not opposed to taking Holmgren but this idea that he has this unreal ceiling to be a generational talent based on little but Banchero has a limited upside despite being further ahead and younger is just crap to me.

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[MagicFan101]

Its extremely debatable. How can Banchero have the least amount to grow when he's younger then Chet? Just cause he's probably further along then Chet doesn't mean he still doesn't have tons of room to grow.

Ugh, no age has nothing to do with their potential for development. Come on man. Do better.

What does it have to do with to you? Im judging things Banchero actually did at the college level and has the potential to grow and get those skills to a higher level. Your judging things Holmgren didn't do at the college level but you think he can do it anyway. Im not opposed to taking Holmgren but this idea that he has this unreal ceiling to be a generational talent based on little but Banchero has a limited upside despite being further ahead and younger is just crap to me.

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I never said any of this about Holgren.

But Paola is understood #3 of the group for most people for good reason. He is extremely limited defensively. Offers nothing as a rim protecter. He is the definition of a one dimensional player. Yet he shoots just 34% and 72% from the 3 and FT lines respectively. It just doesn’t portray a modern day offensive big. If he was a defensive factor then okay, we can work on thing but that just isn’t the case.

I’m sure Paolo will have a very good career. I just don’t see a great career. I would much rather bet on Ivey or Sharpe than Paolo if we had to make that choice. Luckily, we have the #1 choice and can simply cross Paolo off our board entirely.

[IllMagic04]

Ugh, no age has nothing to do with their potential for development. Come on man. Do better.

What does it have to do with to you? Im judging things Banchero actually did at the college level and has the potential to grow and get those skills to a higher level. Your judging things Holmgren didn't do at the college level but you think he can do it anyway. Im not opposed to taking Holmgren but this idea that he has this unreal ceiling to be a generational talent based on little but Banchero has a limited upside despite being further ahead and younger is just crap to me.

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I never said any of this about Holgren.

But Paola is understood #3 of the group for most people for good reason. He is extremely limited defensively. Offers nothing as a rim protecter. He is the definition of a one dimensional player. Yet he shoots just 34% and 72% from the 3 and FT lines respectively. It just doesn’t portray a modern day offensive big. If he was a defensive factor then okay, we can work on thing but that just isn’t the case.

I’m sure Paolo will have a very good career. I just don’t see a great career. I would much rather bet on Ivey or Sharpe than Paolo if we had to make that choice. Luckily, we have the #1 choice and can simply cross Paolo off our board entirely.

You have to be saying that about Holmgren. If all he can provide is what he showed at Gonzaga then thats not a number 1 pick. Im do think theres some more in his bag then he showed in college btw. All your points about Banchero are fair but you said you don't care about what a prospect can do right now. Ok cool so who cares about what Banchero can't do right now? Mocks have Banchero at 3 but we'll see what happens on draft night. Suggs was in the top 4 on every mock too.

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[KillMonger]

He's the closest out of the 3 to being an alpha scorer....he's also imo probably the best of both worlds....He doesn't have the ceiling of chet but it's still very high and he's less risky....he isn't as safe of a pick as Jabari but his ceiling is higher....to me banchero is the happy medium

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[RookieStar]

He's the closest out of the 3 to being an alpha scorer....he's also imo probably the best of both worlds....He doesn't have the ceiling of chet but it's still very high and he's less risky....he isn't as safe of a pick as Jabari but his ceiling is higher....to me banchero is the happy medium

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I agree with you there BUT in terms of defense, he probably is also the most to get taken advantage of in the perimeter. If he lose 15 lbs maybe he will be quicker...

[tiderulz]

He's the closest out of the 3 to being an alpha scorer....he's also imo probably the best of both worlds....He doesn't have the ceiling of chet but it's still very high and he's less risky....he isn't as safe of a pick as Jabari but his ceiling is higher....to me banchero is the happy medium

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I agree with you there BUT in terms of defense, he probably is also the most to get taken advantage of in the perimeter. If he lose 15 lbs maybe he will be quicker...

looking at some of his footage before Duke, he needs to lose 15 lbs just to help him overall

[OrlMagic05]

No, he screams Carlos Boozer to me and that type of player does not fit in today's NBA.

[MagicFan101]

If this were a different class, there is zero chance Paolo would be considered a top 5 pick and potentially not even top 10. I’m really just not a fan of him at #1.

I fully understand the concerns around Chet and Smith. I personally would still select one of those two or trade the pick. However, if someone wants to swing for a wildcard and go with one of the two guards over Paolo I won’t hold it against them.

[OrlMagic05]

I think I am pretty much sold on Jabari.

[Knightro]

Banchero feels like a guy who has always wanted to be small forward, but who grew more than he hoped and is now power forward/small center sized.

He's not really laterally quick enough to play the wing defensively, but he's also not a great rebounder or rim protector/deterrent either.

Very tweenerish defensively, and not in a good way.

[drsd]

His new nick name, he has a little bit of a latino look to him. the hot dog vendor

And I do fear the name would be correct. Orlando needs a scorer not a hotdog.

[drsd]

I think I am pretty much sold on Jabari.

I am starting to think that a smokescreen trade down to #2 to take Smith is a risk not worth taking.

1) Maybe OKC actually wants Smith over Holmgren.
2) Why make Smith unhappy forever in this trade, when he could be had simply by selecting him without trading down.

Keep it simple and just call Smith's number at #1.


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[tiderulz]

No, he screams Carlos Boozer to me and that type of player does not fit in today's NBA.

no, his game is nothing like Boozer. Boozer was a down low, bang for rebounds, solid post game player, not a big passer/facilitator.

[zaymon]

Banchero feels like a guy who has always wanted to be small forward, but who grew more than he hoped and is now power forward/small center sized.

He's not really laterally quick enough to play the wing defensively, but he's also not a great rebounder or rim protector/deterrent either.

Very tweenerish defensively, and not in a good way.

To me he is looking like a guy who grew 6'10 and retained his guard skills. What skill of a small forward he doesnt possess ? He can drive to the rim and score, drive and kick, post up, passing out of the post, step back midrange, midrange fade away, creating out of pick and roll, pull up 3, screening and rolling. Chet and Jabari doesnt have half of these skills.
His defensive problems are hugely exacerbated. He was better defending isolations than Jabari Smith, and his frame makes him better defending the post . Its not like Smith has some amazing stacks, and he played less minutes in a smaller role less demanding physically role. He is a good rebounder for a wing especially on the offensive glass becouse he is so strong.

[jezzerinho]

Banchero feels like a guy who has always wanted to be small forward, but who grew more than he hoped and is now power forward/small center sized.

He's not really laterally quick enough to play the wing defensively, but he's also not a great rebounder or rim protector/deterrent either.

Very tweenerish defensively, and not in a good way.

To me he is looking like a guy who grew 6'10 and retained his guard skills. What skill of a small forward he doesnt possess ? He can drive to the rim and score, drive and kick, post up, passing out of the post, step back midrange, midrange fade away, creating out of pick and roll, pull up 3, screening and rolling. Chet and Jabari doesnt have half of these skills.
His defensive problems are hugely exacerbated. He was better defending isolations than Jabari Smith, and his frame makes him better defending the post . Its not like Smith has some amazing stacks, and he played less minutes in a smaller role less demanding physically role. He is a good rebounder for a wing especially on the offensive glass becouse he is so strong.

I happen to agree with you about Paolo's offensive side. And his footwork is so immaculate there is no reason he can't be used as a SF (not that that would suit Orl at all but still).

However, given his offensive feet are so active and crisp it really begs the question why they're so comparatively slow on defence. He might have some good defensive moments/sets/games/matchups, but on his footwork alone you can't convince me he places the same value on preventing a bucket as scoring one.

[VFX]

Banchero feels like a guy who has always wanted to be small forward, but who grew more than he hoped and is now power forward/small center sized.

He's not really laterally quick enough to play the wing defensively, but he's also not a great rebounder or rim protector/deterrent either.

Very tweenerish defensively, and not in a good way.

To me he is looking like a guy who grew 6'10 and retained his guard skills. What skill of a small forward he doesnt possess ? He can drive to the rim and score, drive and kick, post up, passing out of the post, step back midrange, midrange fade away, creating out of pick and roll, pull up 3, screening and rolling. Chet and Jabari doesnt have half of these skills.
His defensive problems are hugely exacerbated. He was better defending isolations than Jabari Smith, and his frame makes him better defending the post . Its not like Smith has some amazing stacks, and he played less minutes in a smaller role less demanding physically role. He is a good rebounder for a wing especially on the offensive glass becouse he is so strong.

Tell me you didn't watch Duke a lot this season without telling me you didn't.

All three of the potential #1 picks all had Centers next to them, but Banchero did not pass the eye test as someone that was actively looking to grab boards.