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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2641 » by NYPiston » Tue May 24, 2022 3:04 pm

The Moose wrote:https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/33969912/winners-losers-2022-nba-draft-combine

Dyson Daniels (Top 100: No. 6)
Daniels continued his rapid ascent with an impressive showing at the Octagon Pro Day, where he displayed impressive shot-making prowess. Decision-makers from virtually every team in the NBA lottery were on hand to watch what appeared to be, in my view, the most eye-opening workout of the week in Chicago. NBA teams were buzzing afterward about Daniels' talent, throwing out comparisons to the likes of Tyrese Haliburton and Khris Middleton.

Daniels, an alumnus of the NBA Global Academy and G League Ignite program, has grown considerably in the past few years, adding 3 inches and 30 pounds of bulk. Even so, he appears nowhere close to reaching his physical potential with an outstanding frame and near 7-foot wingspan. The knowledge that Daniels has guard skills, with measurements that should allow him to moonlight at power forward as his frame fills out over time, is intriguing in today's NBA. The way teams rave about Daniels' interviews at the combine and the background intel they have received is clearly working in his favor. There's a real comfort level with what seems to be an extremely high floor for Daniels as a prospect, while the thought process regarding his ultimate ceiling appears to be evolving daily. -- Givony


Dyson Daniels up to no.6 on ESPN's board, ahead of Sharpe

Their big board atm:

1. Chet
2. Jabari
3. Paolo
4. Ivey
5. Murray
6. Daniels
7. Sharpe


They play a different position, and I've never seen Daniels play, but his scouting reports and late ascent up the draft boards reminds me of Barnes last year. Lengthy, do it all player that stuffs the stat sheet and is a high character guy (interviews very well) but has shooting issues, "really high floor, evolving ceiling". Reads almost exactly like Barnes scouting reports last year.
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Post#2642 » by Manocad » Tue May 24, 2022 3:35 pm

Even so, he appears nowhere close to reaching his physical potential with an outstanding frame and near 7-foot wingspan.

An interesting comment IMO; what criteria was used to determine that he's "nowhere close to reaching his physical potential"? He actually looks kinda slight in the shoulders to me, like he WON'T fill out a helluva lot more. And since he's 6'8" is it expected that he'll grow to 7'+ or something after age 19?

Not that any of that is a knock on him, just seems like a bit of hyperbole IMO.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2643 » by edmunder_prc » Tue May 24, 2022 4:13 pm

One thing I would like the Pistons to consider is how they plan to guard a few big guys in their way for ECF.

Who guards Giannis, Embiid, Mobley, Jarrett Allen, Bam, etc.

There are a lot of really good PF/C guys who are tall, strong, fast and with Bey, Stewart not being guys who can guard them well, a really big and strong PF would be nice.
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Post#2644 » by MotownMadness » Tue May 24, 2022 4:20 pm

edmunder_prc wrote:One thing I would like the Pistons to consider is how they plan to guard a few big guys in their way for ECF.

Who guards Giannis, Embiid, Mobley, Jarrett Allen, Bam, etc.

There are a lot of really good PF/C guys who are tall, strong, fast and with Bey, Stewart not being guys who can guard them well, a really big and strong PF would be nice.

Im assuming we try for Ayton but settle with someone like a Mitchell Robinson. Not sure if they can guard the guys you're talking about but as far as rim protection goes it's probably that route.
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Post#2645 » by whitehops » Tue May 24, 2022 5:09 pm

one of my draft crushes so far is ochai agbaji. it'd really only be a possibility for us if we get one of charlotte's picks or something but i really like his game.

he can't do much as a ball handler and doesn't project for that to ever be a part of his game but he makes up for it by being awesome off-ball. he's great at moving without the ball and thanks to him being elite in catch and shoot situations, hitting shots on the move and being a great cutter he can be a constant threat on the floor. it's pretty unique to have an elite shooter that is also a lob threat.

he's pretty much what frank jackson is supposed to be for us, except he is actually a great shooter, great at moving off-ball and he's not extremely undersized for a SG.
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Post#2646 » by MotownMadness » Tue May 24, 2022 5:13 pm

whitehops wrote:one of my draft crushes so far is ochai agbaji. it'd really only be a possibility for us if we get one of charlotte's picks or something but i really like his game.

he can't do much as a ball handler and doesn't project for that to ever be a part of his game but he makes up for it by being awesome off-ball. he's great at moving without the ball and thanks to him being elite in catch and shoot situations, hitting shots on the move and being a great cutter he can be a constant threat on the floor. it's pretty unique to have an elite shooter that is also a lob threat.

he's pretty much what frank jackson is supposed to be for us, except he is actually a great shooter, great at moving off-ball and he's not extremely undersized for a SG.

Yeah hes a good player for sure. Could see him winning ROY Brogdon style.
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Post#2647 » by Manocad » Tue May 24, 2022 7:15 pm

edmunder_prc wrote:One thing I would like the Pistons to consider is how they plan to guard a few big guys in their way for ECF.

Who guards Giannis, Embiid, Mobley, Jarrett Allen, Bam, etc.

There are a lot of really good PF/C guys who are tall, strong, fast and with Bey, Stewart not being guys who can guard them well, a really big and strong PF would be nice.

I don't know about that. I'm not saying Stew could be the next Ben Wallace but he's got that good core strength where I could see him just being that pain in the ass defender if he continues to develop. And maybe not shutting down the MVP-level PF/C's, but knocking them down from 25+ PPG to 15. Which is pretty much what Big Ben did against the MVP-level centers; he didn't shut them down completely but it was guaranteed that they weren't going to go off against him.
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Post#2651 » by MotownMadness » Sat May 28, 2022 10:39 pm

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Post#2652 » by MotownMadness » Sat May 28, 2022 10:41 pm

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Where did ESPN have Daniels ranked coming into this season?
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Post#2653 » by kpt » Sat May 28, 2022 11:44 pm

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2654 » by The Moose » Sun May 29, 2022 3:14 am

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Where did ESPN have Daniels ranked coming into this season?


cant remember, wasn't the lottery though
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Post#2655 » by whitehops » Sun May 29, 2022 4:11 pm

watching those CAA pro day vids of AJ griffin and jaden ivey really shows that shaedon sharpe's pro day workout pales in comparison. griffin and ivey were going at pretty much game speed while sharpe was going at half speed, presumably because he can't go full speed and hit those same shots.

and ivey's pro day just shows he's as explosive in the half court as he is in transition.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2656 » by Jsindto » Sun May 29, 2022 5:14 pm

whitehops wrote:watching those CAA pro day vids of AJ griffin and jaden ivey really shows that shaedon sharpe's pro day workout pales in comparison. griffin and ivey were going at pretty much game speed while sharpe was going at half speed, presumably because he can't go full speed and hit those same shots.

and ivey's pro day just shows he's as explosive in the half court as he is in transition.

I agree with everything you said in your first half. Just another pause for me personally with Sharpe at 5.

But I don't take anything as definitive as Ivey's pro day showing he's as explosive in the half court as he is in transition. That might be factual, but you're not going to feel more confident now having seen him go one on zero or one on a dude who's Job is to just be a body.

If the Pistons were able to land the Blazers pick, I'd love taking Sharpe at 7 for the insane upside. But I think I'm falling in love with Dyson Daniels at 5 LOL. If his 3 is legit, he just seems like a guy who is a potentially perfect 2nd guard next to Cade. And I would still take Sharpe at 7 (or Mathurin if more risk averse) if you get the Blazers pick. Still early enough in the build up that even if there is some overlap, including overlap with Bey, you want to get the best guys you can on the wing. So I'm fine if it means you have to eventually trade one of Daniels/Sharpe/Bey if all 3 hit. That's a good problem.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2657 » by vic » Sun May 29, 2022 6:00 pm



Key takeaway - Shaedon is an efficient player. His h.s. coach mentioned that twice. Big, big deal when it comes to a guard. High school stats don't translate but hs playing style does translate even more than college does because college is coach centric
You need 2-way wings, 2-way shooting bigs, and you can't allow low iq players on the court. Assist/turnover ratio is crucial. Shooting point guards are icing on the cake IF they are plus defenders.
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Post#2658 » by mattao313 » Sun May 29, 2022 6:22 pm

All coaches are gonna talk up there guys, they got a program to up hold.

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#2659 » by Sort » Sun May 29, 2022 7:01 pm

I'm growing more and more comfortable with either Ivey or Murray. Probably not going to impact at the potential level of the top three, but also both just seem like long, solid, potentially All Star seasons in them dudes. Please, let someone else waste a high pick on Sharpe. I obviously have no inside information, but seems more like five years from now people will be like, "How did the Pacers talk themselves into Sharpe?" than "OMG, how did Pistons pass on him for Ivey?"
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Post#2660 » by Jsindto » Sun May 29, 2022 7:19 pm

Sort wrote:I'm growing more and more comfortable with either Ivey or Murray. Probably not going to impact at the potential level of the top three, but also both just seem like long, solid, potentially All Star seasons in them dudes. Please, let someone else waste a high pick on Sharpe. I obviously have no inside information, but seems more like five years from now people will be like, "How did the Pacers talk themselves into Sharpe?" than "OMG, how did Pistons pass on him for Ivey?"

I'm leaning towards targeting Sharpe if you get a 2nd pick and he's there, but I agree I've gotten uncomfortable with him at #5 personally. If he's the pick, I have faith that Weaver has done the work, particularly having maybe UK practice film. But absent that, I'm leaning elsewhere.

Now, I am more in the camp of going higher upside than Murray. So assuming Ivey is gone, I'd go Mathurin or Daniels. But if Weaver sees untapped potential in Murray, I could see it. The goal with the #5 pick should be to get a guy who can absolutely be a #3 on a championship team. Maybe someone who can be a #2, but at least a #3. Murray feels more of a #4 who may be a #3. So fringe for me at #5.

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