I am sold on Banchero for #1 pick.

[Knightro]

To me he is looking like a guy who grew 6'10 and retained his guard skills. What skill of a small forward he doesnt possess ? He can drive to the rim and score, drive and kick, post up, passing out of the post, step back midrange, midrange fade away, creating out of pick and roll, pull up 3, screening and rolling. Chet and Jabari doesnt have half of these skills.
His defensive problems are hugely exacerbated. He was better defending isolations than Jabari Smith, and his frame makes him better defending the post . Its not like Smith has some amazing stacks, and he played less minutes in a smaller role less demanding physically role. He is a good rebounder for a wing especially on the offensive glass becouse he is so strong.

A lot of the things you're describing, at least in my opinion, are things Banchero is good at for a player his size. Not necessarily things he's good at compared to NBA wing players as a whole.

I really do get the appeal. You watch a guy like Tatum and see a big wing who can score from three levels and create some offense for his teammates.

And you start thinking... whoa maybe Banchero can be that kind of guy!

But when you actually watch him, he's just not actually very good at the stuff he needs to be really good at to be highly impactful at the NBA level. He's a below average 3PT shooter. He's a below average FT shooter. His FT rate is nothing special. His ball handling is good for a guy that big, but is it full-time wing good?

I think his passing is the best part of his offensive package.

Defensively... he feels like a one position defender to put it kindly.

[tiderulz]

To me he is looking like a guy who grew 6'10 and retained his guard skills. What skill of a small forward he doesnt possess ? He can drive to the rim and score, drive and kick, post up, passing out of the post, step back midrange, midrange fade away, creating out of pick and roll, pull up 3, screening and rolling. Chet and Jabari doesnt have half of these skills.
His defensive problems are hugely exacerbated. He was better defending isolations than Jabari Smith, and his frame makes him better defending the post . Its not like Smith has some amazing stacks, and he played less minutes in a smaller role less demanding physically role. He is a good rebounder for a wing especially on the offensive glass becouse he is so strong.

A lot of the things you're describing, at least in my opinion, are things Banchero is good at for a player his size. Not necessarily things he's good at compared to NBA wing players as a whole.

I really do get the appeal. You watch a guy like Tatum and see a big wing who can score from three levels and create some offense for his teammates.

And you start thinking... whoa maybe Banchero can be that guy of guy!

But when you actually watch him, he's just not actually very good at the stuff he needs to be really good at to be highly impactful at the NBA level. He's a below average 3PT shooter. He's a below average FT shooter. His FT rate is nothing special. His ball handling is good for a guy that big, but is it full-time wing good?

I think his passing is the best part of his offensive package.

Defensively... he feels like a one position defender to put it kindly.

again, you cant look at what a player is now, but determine what they can be. Giannis wasnt what he is when he was drafted. Tatum added a more reliable 3 pt shot. if they believe Banchero can improve his 3 pt shot and FT, then good. with more spacing, he can improve his FT rate.

[Knightro]

again, you cant look at what a player is now, but determine what they can be. Giannis wasnt what he is when he was drafted. Tatum added a more reliable 3 pt shot. if they believe Banchero can improve his 3 pt shot and FT, then good. with more spacing, he can improve his FT rate.

Of course.

But it's also really easy to get into trouble when you assume a prospect's weaknesses are going to become strengths (or at least break evens) just with experience. Some guys are really driven to improve and some are not.

A bunch of people cited a bunch of really legitimate sounding reasons why Cole Anthony's field goal percentage was so poor at North Carolina. He had bad shooting teammates. He played in a system with two big men that kept the lane clogged at all times. Blah blah blah.

And once Anthony got to the NBA he was still a bad shooter and bad finisher because... that's just the player he is.

[tiderulz]

again, you cant look at what a player is now, but determine what they can be. Giannis wasnt what he is when he was drafted. Tatum added a more reliable 3 pt shot. if they believe Banchero can improve his 3 pt shot and FT, then good. with more spacing, he can improve his FT rate.

Of course.

But it's also really easy to get into trouble when you assume a prospect's weaknesses are going to become strengths (or at least break evens) just with experience. Some guys are really driven to improve and some are not.

A bunch of people cited a bunch of really legitimate sounding reasons why Cole Anthony's field goal percentage was so poor at North Carolina. He had bad shooting teammates. He played in a system with two big men that kept the lane clogged at all times. Blah blah blah.

And once Anthony got to the NBA he was still a bad shooter and bad finisher because... that's just the player he is.

oh, i agree you cant just say, " <insert skill> will get better". thats where coaches and scouts come into play that know more than me. And i truly believe that where a prospect goes and how he is developed is extremely important. Miami is an example of taking draft picks and undrafted players and still turning them into players. we've seen some of that with Mosely, hopefully we see more with whoever we pick.

we just have to be careful saying player 1 will improve, but player 2 wont, when they are all so young.

[zaymon]

To me he is looking like a guy who grew 6'10 and retained his guard skills. What skill of a small forward he doesnt possess ? He can drive to the rim and score, drive and kick, post up, passing out of the post, step back midrange, midrange fade away, creating out of pick and roll, pull up 3, screening and rolling. Chet and Jabari doesnt have half of these skills.
His defensive problems are hugely exacerbated. He was better defending isolations than Jabari Smith, and his frame makes him better defending the post . Its not like Smith has some amazing stacks, and he played less minutes in a smaller role less demanding physically role. He is a good rebounder for a wing especially on the offensive glass becouse he is so strong.

A lot of the things you're describing, at least in my opinion, are things Banchero is good at for a player his size. Not necessarily things he's good at compared to NBA wing players as a whole.

I really do get the appeal. You watch a guy like Tatum and see a big wing who can score from three levels and create some offense for his teammates.

And you start thinking... whoa maybe Banchero can be that guy of guy!

But when you actually watch him, he's just not actually very good at the stuff he needs to be really good at to be highly impactful at the NBA level. He's a below average 3PT shooter. He's a below average FT shooter. His FT rate is nothing special. His ball handling is good for a guy that big, but is it full-time wing good?

I think his passing is the best part of his offensive package.

Defensively... he feels like a one position defender to put it kindly.

He shot 45% from 3 for his last 11 games. His passing also picked up. Overall he was more efficient than Tatum in college.

Watch on YouTube

Look at his handle, footwork and fluidity. He is not looking like Aaron Gordon thats for sure
He can defend 4 and 5 thats for freaking sure. With less load i believe he will be able to defend 2-3, especially after every team wants to play 6'5+ 2 through 4.
What is he lacking ? Can you be specific becouse i am missing your point.

[PrimeThyme]

Every time I read this thread title I try to decide whether you misspelled his last name, or whether Panchero is some weird combination of Paolo and Banchero that you've created to be a nickname. I'm still not sure.

[SOUL]

Every time I read this thread title I try to decide whether you misspelled his last name, or whether Panchero is some weird combination of Paolo and Banchero that you've created to be a nickname. I'm still not sure.

same, probably the first though. People still can't spell "Isaac" correctly half the time.

[VFX]

Every time I read this thread title I try to decide whether you misspelled his last name, or whether Panchero is some weird combination of Paolo and Banchero that you've created to be a nickname. I'm still not sure.

Baolo Panchero

[RookieStar]

He's the closest out of the 3 to being an alpha scorer....he's also imo probably the best of both worlds....He doesn't have the ceiling of chet but it's still very high and he's less risky....he isn't as safe of a pick as Jabari but his ceiling is higher....to me banchero is the happy medium

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I agree with you there BUT in terms of defense, he probably is also the most to get taken advantage of in the perimeter. If he lose 15 lbs maybe he will be quicker...

looking at some of his footage before Duke, he needs to lose 15 lbs just to help him overall

If he wants to play a more bruising style then he stays at his current weight and just tone up. If he wants to play more perimeter then he needs to shed those lbs.

I dunno what happened but maybe he thought being bigger and heavier in college could help him more in bullying the other inside players? Then in the league back to his old weight? Shame he didn't measure in the combine

[Knightro]

He shot 45% from 3 for his last 11 games. His passing also picked up. Overall he was more efficient than Tatum in college.

Watch on YouTube

Look at his handle, footwork and fluidity. He is not looking like Aaron Gordon thats for sure
He can defend 4 and 5 thats for freaking sure. With less load i believe he will be able to defend 2-3, especially after every team wants to play 6'5+ 2 through 4.
What is he lacking ? Can you be specific becouse i am missing your point.

We can have all the fun you want with small sample sizes. Banchero shot .263 from three in the 11 games leading into the NCAA tournament.

I mentioned that I liked his passing and playmaking. I think it's the best part of his game by a lot.

Tatum at Duke: .566 TS% with a .321 3PT rate and .381 FT rate
Banchero at Duke: .557 TS% with a .253 3PT rate and .366 FT rate

So... no. He wasn't more efficient than Tatum in college. Tatum took more 3s and made them at a better percentage. He also drew more free throws and made those at a significantly better percentage. The indicators were there that Tatum was going to translate as a shooter/scorer much better than Banchero.

I also don't think Banchero has any sort of ability to capably play center outside of very specific and limited circumstances. He isn't natural rim protector in any respect. The problem is at 250 lbs and not wildly quick (or full of desire) he's also not really capable of guarding quicker wings either.

He's just not a particularly good defensive prospect. Doesn't mean he can't potentially get to passable or be hidden. But if you're not a good defensive prospect, generally speaking (and again I stress this is a generalization) you have to be a really good/great offensive prospect to make up for being a middling/poor defender.

I just don't see a great offensive prospect. At least not right now. Maybe he'll develop into one, but I saw a kid who was given free reign to play the exact style he wanted to play and ultimately not execute it all that efficiently.

[basketballRob]

I've seen a couple of people spell his name Paola, which is a girl's name.

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[RichCollab]

His passing stands out big time. Size with what he is doing does also. Handle as a full time wing is iffy.

[D J C]

I like Paolo but I think he’s a tier below Jabari.

Paolo shows potential as a shooter but he has a ways to go. His 29.4% from NBA 3 range (25ft+) is concerning. His midrange at 34% is slightly below average too. Hes got a bit to go before he’s a ‘3 level scorer’.

They’re equals as rebounders. Paolo has a slight edge in AST%. His ballhandling is tighter.

Jabari has him beat in every advanced metric too (PER, WS, BPM, TS%, FTr, PTS/100, ORTG, DRTG) if you’re in to that kind of thing.

I think Paolo can be good, but give me the guy with elite skills (midrange, 3pt, defense) over a guy with what people see as a more rounded skillset.

[Hogified05]

We better not touch Paulo with the 1st pick. Even if that's our guy you trade with Houston. It seems pretty evident that Paulo is going go 3rd. Trade back to 3, more then likely he will be there and we will get even more. If he isn't we still get a helluva player to get excited about in Jabari or Chet. If Paulo is the pick he is the pick, but I'd be mad if we took him 1.

Everyone thinks they know the draft order, but no one knows behind closed scenes. EVERYONE thought Trae was going to fall to us, instead we got screwed. Everyone thought Suggs was a shoe in for a top 3. Stop listening to these scouting reports like they are gold. Banchero imo could easily go #1. People act like Randle dropping 24/10/6 is nada, and calling him similiar. If a safe pick can put up numbers like that, im taking it over a project.

I'm happy Trae didn't fall to us. He is a good player but I don't think he brings winning to the table. I think dudes don't like playing with him. Steph seems like a lot of fun to play with, Trae seems like a drag. You can argue they got to the ECF last year but that was a fluke run due to a good draw I thought. Knicks obviously played over their head that year after watching them this year. Then they got a fragile Simmons who sunk the 76ers. They ran into a real team they couldn't beat the Bucks without Giannis, then this year showed Trae and Hawks true colors I believe. Plus the East got helluva lot better. Plus listening to Trae get interviewed makes me feel dumber. I think he is going get hurt alot too. I just really don't enjoy watching him play, which is ironic because I enjoy Steph.

[fateis007]

We better not touch Paulo with the 1st pick. Even if that's our guy you trade with Houston. It seems pretty evident that Paulo is going go 3rd. Trade back to 3, more then likely he will be there and we will get even more. If he isn't we still get a helluva player to get excited about in Jabari or Chet. If Paulo is the pick he is the pick, but I'd be mad if we took him 1.

Everyone thinks they know the draft order, but no one knows behind closed scenes. EVERYONE thought Trae was going to fall to us, instead we got screwed. Everyone thought Suggs was a shoe in for a top 3. Stop listening to these scouting reports like they are gold. Banchero imo could easily go #1. People act like Randle dropping 24/10/6 is nada, and calling him similiar. If a safe pick can put up numbers like that, im taking it over a project.

I'm happy Trae didn't fall to us. He is a good player but I don't think he brings winning to the table. I think dudes don't like playing with him. Steph seems like a lot of fun to play with, Trae seems like a drag. You can argue they got to the ECF last year but that was a fluke run due to a good draw I thought. Knicks obviously played over their head that year after watching them this year. Then they got a fragile Simmons who sunk the 76ers. They ran into a real team they couldn't beat the Bucks without Giannis, then this year showed Trae and Hawks true colors I believe. Plus the East got helluva lot better. Plus listening to Trae get interviewed makes me feel dumber. I think he is going get hurt alot too. I just really don't enjoy watching him play, which is ironic because I enjoy Steph.

please give me some of what you are smoking. so you are happy we landed Mo Bomba instead of Trae Young? i think I've heard it all now.

besides us having the worst offense in the NBA and him him being a 30ppg scorer, you do realize that the players are assets right? Just because in some weird dimension, you are glad we got a bust, doesn't mean every team with logic in the NBA wouldn't covet Trae and give up major pieces for him. It was a terrible misfortune for us.

[zaymon]

He shot 45% from 3 for his last 11 games. His passing also picked up. Overall he was more efficient than Tatum in college.

Watch on YouTube

Look at his handle, footwork and fluidity. He is not looking like Aaron Gordon thats for sure
He can defend 4 and 5 thats for freaking sure. With less load i believe he will be able to defend 2-3, especially after every team wants to play 6'5+ 2 through 4.
What is he lacking ? Can you be specific becouse i am missing your point.

We can have all the fun you want with small sample sizes. Banchero shot .263 from three in the 11 games leading into the NCAA tournament.

I mentioned that I liked his passing and playmaking. I think it's the best part of his game by a lot.

Tatum at Duke: .566 TS% with a .321 3PT rate and .381 FT rate
Banchero at Duke: .557 TS% with a .253 3PT rate and .366 FT rate

So... no. He wasn't more efficient than Tatum in college. Tatum took more 3s and made them at a better percentage. He also drew more free throws and made those at a significantly better percentage. The indicators were there that Tatum was going to translate as a shooter/scorer much better than Banchero.

I also don't think Banchero has any sort of ability to capably play center outside of very specific and limited circumstances. He isn't natural rim protector in any respect. The problem is at 250 lbs and not wildly quick (or full of desire) he's also not really capable of guarding quicker wings either.

He's just not a particularly good defensive prospect. Doesn't mean he can't potentially get to passable or be hidden. But if you're not a good defensive prospect, generally speaking (and again I stress this is a generalization) you have to be a really good/great offensive prospect to make up for being a middling/poor defender.

I just don't see a great offensive prospect. At least not right now. Maybe he'll develop into one, but I saw a kid who was given free reign to play the exact style he wanted to play and ultimately not execute it all that efficiently.

I was not using small sample size for fun but for showing he improved during season when the stakes became higher. Everybody is 100% certain Smith will improve his handle, decision making, passing, finishing without any existing trend or proof while dismissing possibility of Banchero developing his shooting despite there being a possitive trend. It could be small sample size but at least we saw something versus regress from Jabari.

Regarding efficiency i should be more specific. I was talking about efficiency from the floor.
Tatum 45.2 fg%, 50,4 2p%, 50,7 efg%
Banchero 47,8 fg%, 52,5 2p%, 52 efg%
We can argue about free throw percentage, i will agree you made a valid point, but i can counter that passing and decision making is also part of making offense efficient and Banchero is better at that than Tatum.

Defensively he shouldnt play as a center but with his mass he shouldnt have any problems defending the paint against switches. WCJ is also not a great shot blocker but his inside defense is a lot better than Bamba's.

If we compare Banchero to Tatum, and in some aspects he is better and the aspects he is worse are possible to improve isnt it a great sign ?

[Skin]

People like Panchero, expected to go #3, for his ability to be a lead scorer... but one pick later you could get Ivey/Sharpe who is a lead scorer AND fills our biggest need. *facepalm* What are we doing???

[OrlandoSaban]

This guy is the real deal. 250lb scoring beast. No hoping he grows into his frame. No hoping he learns to handle the ball. No hoping he develops a post game. He is a legit scorer. Looks like he can be a better version of a prime blake griffin, but with better handles and passing.

We have been terrible on offense for years, we need a goto scorer. This guy is it.

I wont spam a whole bunch of videos. But it seems everyone wants to pass on Ivey, which I understand, but this guy is the next best scorer available.

All we have to do is improve his defense so he isn't a liability, and let him wreak havoc on offense.

We would finally have a player that doesn't need a screen to score.

I don't really follow college basketball and really have no idea about any of these lottery kids but this dude seams to be a BEAST. He's a monster. I am sold on this guy for sure

[OrlandoSaban]

Everyone thinks they know the draft order, but no one knows behind closed scenes. EVERYONE thought Trae was going to fall to us, instead we got screwed. Everyone thought Suggs was a shoe in for a top 3. Stop listening to these scouting reports like they are gold. Banchero imo could easily go #1. People act like Randle dropping 24/10/6 is nada, and calling him similiar. If a safe pick can put up numbers like that, im taking it over a project.

I'm happy Trae didn't fall to us. He is a good player but I don't think he brings winning to the table. I think dudes don't like playing with him. Steph seems like a lot of fun to play with, Trae seems like a drag. You can argue they got to the ECF last year but that was a fluke run due to a good draw I thought. Knicks obviously played over their head that year after watching them this year. Then they got a fragile Simmons who sunk the 76ers. They ran into a real team they couldn't beat the Bucks without Giannis, then this year showed Trae and Hawks true colors I believe. Plus the East got helluva lot better. Plus listening to Trae get interviewed makes me feel dumber. I think he is going get hurt alot too. I just really don't enjoy watching him play, which is ironic because I enjoy Steph.

please give me some of what you are smoking. so you are happy we landed Mo Bomba instead of Trae Young? i think I've heard it all now.

besides us having the worst offense in the NBA and him him being a 30ppg scorer, you do realize that the players are assets right? Just because in some weird dimension, you are glad we got a bust, doesn't mean every team with logic in the NBA wouldn't covet Trae and give up major pieces for him. It was a terrible misfortune for us.

All of the anti Paola were very PRO Suggs. How'd that turn out?

[tiderulz]

People like Panchero, expected to go #3, for his ability to be a lead scorer... but one pick later you could get Ivey/Sharpe who is a lead scorer AND fills our biggest need. *facepalm* What are we doing???

is Sharpe a lead scorer? any good player that gets a scholarship offer to Kentucky was good in HS, but we dont even know if he could be a lead scorer in college, let alone the NBA