2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5581 » by falcolombardi » Tue May 24, 2022 9:56 pm

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I get that conclusions, but it's hard for me to dismiss the scoring threat he poses along with the fact that he was regularly tasked with guarding the best guard on the opposing team. To me you're quite lucky to get what he gave you (in his prime) from a 3rd banana.



you could actually argue that klay was "only" the fourth most important player in the warriors behind curry/dray/iguodala first, then behind curry/ durant/ draymond later

being 3rd option in offense =/= being the third most important player and klay had two or even three mvp level impact players in dray (borderline mvp impact), durant (mvp player), curry (mvp player with historical impact metrics) and other really talented players like iggy taking care of thinghs like playmaking or defending the opposite tean best player

yes, he was unusually good for his place in the pecking order as a 4th best player or 3rd option but more because his team was so talented than he was "overqualified" for his place in the warriors "depth chart"


I'm skeptical that Iggy was more valuable than Klay - and I do like Iggy more than most.

Re: option. I think Klay was pretty clearly the 2nd option on offense prior to KD. It's a tricky term because a point guard can be something less than his team's Top 2 scorer and still clearly seem like a top 2 option, but in this case, as much as I admire Dray's offensive work, this was never a case of him being a major shooting risk and just being more passing-oriented than most. The Kerr Warrior offense was built around the threat of the Splash Brothers, Green just ended up being the perfect guy to fit with the Bros.


is it that odd to consider iggy as maybe better than klay?

he was probably the most inportant defender of the two, the best playmaker and he was not a scorer like klay, but klay scoring was very average efficiency wise anyway

i honestly think i would prefer iguodala over klay in many situations including a team with curry and draymond but i may be alone here
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5582 » by Doctor MJ » Tue May 24, 2022 11:52 pm

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you could actually argue that klay was "only" the fourth most important player in the warriors behind curry/dray/iguodala first, then behind curry/ durant/ draymond later

being 3rd option in offense =/= being the third most important player and klay had two or even three mvp level impact players in dray (borderline mvp impact), durant (mvp player), curry (mvp player with historical impact metrics) and other really talented players like iggy taking care of thinghs like playmaking or defending the opposite tean best player

yes, he was unusually good for his place in the pecking order as a 4th best player or 3rd option but more because his team was so talented than he was "overqualified" for his place in the warriors "depth chart"


I'm skeptical that Iggy was more valuable than Klay - and I do like Iggy more than most.

Re: option. I think Klay was pretty clearly the 2nd option on offense prior to KD. It's a tricky term because a point guard can be something less than his team's Top 2 scorer and still clearly seem like a top 2 option, but in this case, as much as I admire Dray's offensive work, this was never a case of him being a major shooting risk and just being more passing-oriented than most. The Kerr Warrior offense was built around the threat of the Splash Brothers, Green just ended up being the perfect guy to fit with the Bros.


is it that odd to consider iggy as maybe better than klay?

he was probably the most inportant defender of the two, the best playmaker and he was not a scorer like klay, but klay scoring was very average efficiency wise anyway

i honestly think i would prefer iguodala over klay in many situations including a team with curry and draymond but i may be alone here

Well I’d keep in mind 2 things:

1. Klay played considerably more than Iggy, so we didn’t get to see so much how Iggy would fair without Klay’s additional gravity.

2. I’d argue that there’s a cost attached to all players that aren’t strong shooting threats and that when you already have Dray on the floor, you’d really like to have great shooters from all other positions.


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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5583 » by LukaTheGOAT » Wed May 25, 2022 12:56 am

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5584 » by falcolombardi » Wed May 25, 2022 12:58 am

if dallas had not choked game 2 so hard i could imagine them returning to the mean shooting wise and taking this series to 7, but the 0-3 is bearly impossible to come back from, in no small part cause it must be incredibly denoralizing

if suns had stole game 3 against mavs the series probably wouldnt have got past 5 games at most and probably been a sweep

early games arguably matter the most than later ones because of this
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5585 » by eminence » Wed May 25, 2022 1:06 am

Booker over Steph :nonono:
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5586 » by falcolombardi » Wed May 25, 2022 1:40 am

voters generally try to throw the best teams a bone even if the individuals in question dont merit it

it woulf explain booker over curry
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5587 » by GSP » Wed May 25, 2022 1:49 am

Booker over Steph is embarrassing but after that stinker series and last 2 games against Dallas we wont be hearing anyone try to pretend Booker is an Mvp level player again at least
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5588 » by BIGJ1ER » Wed May 25, 2022 1:53 am

Kerr has to be trolling, I don't think the Warriors are too worried about this one, that lineup he played for 6 minutes to open the 2nd suggests they are experimenting.

Also Damion lee back in the rotation has to be a troll.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5589 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 25, 2022 1:54 am

Yeah that line-up Kerr ran in the 2nd quarter was perplexing.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5590 » by falcolombardi » Wed May 25, 2022 1:58 am

normally i would advise against taking games off as somethingh that can bite you later

but a 3-0 lead is a exception has any 0-3 team even got close to a comeback?
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5591 » by GSP » Wed May 25, 2022 2:01 am

falcolombardi wrote:normally i would advise against taking games off as somethingh that can bite you later

but a 3-0 lead is a exception has any 0-3 team even got close to a comeback?


51 Knicks VS Royals
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only teams to force game 7 after being down 0-3........................its actually WIIILDDDDDDD its only been done 3 times in over SEVENTY years..........
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5592 » by BIGJ1ER » Wed May 25, 2022 2:07 am

Also the fact there isn't more casual outrage over Booker on the first team is stunning to me, one of the worst picks in recent memory for me.

He obviously didn't deserve it over Curry, but sentiment seems to be guy averaged 25/5/5 on a 64 win team, and for some reason people are associating Curry's slump with him being inefficient, when he still shot better than Booker even in a down year.

Then to drive the dagger deeper, personally I wouldn't even have booker on my 2nd team, I think Trae and Ja were better players than him this year.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5593 » by GSP » Wed May 25, 2022 2:42 am

BIGJ1ER wrote:Also the fact there isn't more casual outrage over Booker on the first team is stunning to me, one of the worst picks in recent memory for me.

He obviously didn't deserve it over Curry, but sentiment seems to be guy averaged 25/5/5 on a 64 win team, and for some reason people are associating Curry's slump with him being inefficient, when he still shot better than Booker even in a down year.

Then to drive the dagger deeper, personally I wouldn't even have booker on my 2nd team, I think Trae and Ja were better players than him this year.


You must not be on Twitter...............Booker is getting clowned alot right now and the pick getting ripped apart

Regular season picks and awards being named this late into the playoffs is one of the absolute most asinine things the Nba continues to do tho
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5594 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed May 25, 2022 2:51 am

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BIGJ1ER wrote:Also the fact there isn't more casual outrage over Booker on the first team is stunning to me, one of the worst picks in recent memory for me.

He obviously didn't deserve it over Curry, but sentiment seems to be guy averaged 25/5/5 on a 64 win team, and for some reason people are associating Curry's slump with him being inefficient, when he still shot better than Booker even in a down year.

Then to drive the dagger deeper, personally I wouldn't even have booker on my 2nd team, I think Trae and Ja were better players than him this year.


You must not be on Twitter...............Booker is getting clowned alot right now and the pick getting ripped apart

Regular season picks and awards being named this late into the playoffs is one of the absolute most asinine things the Nba continues to do tho

No idea why they do this.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5595 » by TheGOATRises007 » Wed May 25, 2022 2:55 am

Mavs can't miss from 3.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5596 » by MyUniBroDavis » Wed May 25, 2022 2:55 am

This is psychopathic lmfao
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5597 » by Fadeaway_J » Wed May 25, 2022 2:57 am

Really is amazing how the simple variance of threes going in or not can lead to these crazy swings between games.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5598 » by Texas Chuck » Wed May 25, 2022 2:58 am

so role players make 3's. Luka + 20 Curry - 20.

This is why small game +/- is so freaking meaningless and I hope we stop entertaining it as of any merit at all.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5599 » by falcolombardi » Wed May 25, 2022 3:00 am

nets remain the only team to be swept
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#5600 » by jalengreen » Wed May 25, 2022 3:00 am

save some for g5 :nod:

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