OT: White Supremacist mass shooting in Buffalo

[Jeffrey]

Guns are a factor but I believe motivation is the ultimate factor. When there were mass lynching going on there wasn't a debate to reduce access to rope.

You're comparing lynching to mass murder? Seems like a real false equivalence.

Both are horrific crimes, but you're not going to hang 20+ people within less than 2 minutes with a bullrope.

He does have a point though. Say if guns are suddenly banned and nobody has access to them.. What's stopping this guy from just running over the kids? Or going in with a knife/sword?

No, he doesn't. The intent is to kill but the tool is for different purposes.

The primary use of a car is to get around.
The primary use of a knife is to cut.
The primary use of a hammer is to hammer sh.it in.
The primary use of Clorox is to disinfect stuff.

Tell me what is the primary use of a gun/sword? TO KILL.

If anyone thinks the tools above compared to a gun are the same thing and it is to kill people then I don't know what to say except, go see a doctor or you will hurt someone.

[Fat Kat]

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[DOT]

This is your reminder that the Supreme Court has ruled that cops have no legal obligation to protect people

They are perfectly within their rights to sit back and do nothing while a crime is being committed, so long as they make an attempt to capture the perpetrator afterwards.

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[Stannis]

You're comparing lynching to mass murder? Seems like a real false equivalence.

Both are horrific crimes, but you're not going to hang 20+ people within less than 2 minutes with a bullrope.

He does have a point though. Say if guns are suddenly banned and nobody has access to them.. What's stopping this guy from just running over the kids? Or going in with a knife/sword?

No, he doesn't. The intent is to kill but the tool is for different purposes.

The primary use of a car is to get around.
The primary use of a knife is to cut.
The primary use of a hammer is to hammer sh.it in.
The primary use of Clorox is to disinfect stuff.

Tell me what is the primary use of a gun/sword? TO KILL.

If anyone thinks the tools above compared to a gun are the same thing and it is to kill people then I don't know what to say except, go see a doctor or you will hurt someone.

I agree with a lot of this. But the point is these killings won't stop. There's a lot of hate within America.

We rank pretty high as a western nation for most dangerous & violent countries in the world. I actually think we are #1 amongst western nations, but don't quote me on that.

Hate to be so dark... But gun control can be a good start. But I still think these guys get the motivation to continue what they are doing. Because in the end, the motivation is still there. It's not like it will magically disappear.

[RHODEY]

He does have a point though. Say if guns are suddenly banned and nobody has access to them.. What's stopping this guy from just running over the kids? Or going in with a knife/sword?

No, he doesn't. The intent is to kill but the tool is for different purposes.

The primary use of a car is to get around.
The primary use of a knife is to cut.
The primary use of a hammer is to hammer sh.it in.
The primary use of Clorox is to disinfect stuff.

Tell me what is the primary use of a gun/sword? TO KILL.

If anyone thinks the tools above compared to a gun are the same thing and it is to kill people then I don't know what to say except, go see a doctor or you will hurt someone.

I agree with a lot of this. But the point is these killings won't stop. There's a lot of hate within America.

We rank pretty high as a western nation for most dangerous & violent countries in the world. I actually think we are #1 amongst western nations, but don't quote me on that.

Hate to be so dark... But gun control will be a nice start. But I still think these guys get the motivation to continue what they are doing. Because in the end, the motivation is still there. It's not like it will magically disappear.

Facts...gun control and political finger pointing are not the answer.

[Fat Kat]

There will be no federal gun control without lobbyist reform. No healthcare reform either. All of it’s tied up in the money. Get money out of politics. Good luck with that though

[Fury]

He does have a point though. Say if guns are suddenly banned and nobody has access to them.. What's stopping this guy from just running over the kids? Or going in with a knife/sword?

No, he doesn't. The intent is to kill but the tool is for different purposes.

The primary use of a car is to get around.
The primary use of a knife is to cut.
The primary use of a hammer is to hammer sh.it in.
The primary use of Clorox is to disinfect stuff.

Tell me what is the primary use of a gun/sword? TO KILL.

If anyone thinks the tools above compared to a gun are the same thing and it is to kill people then I don't know what to say except, go see a doctor or you will hurt someone.

I agree with a lot of this. But the point is these killings won't stop. There's a lot of hate within America.

We rank pretty high as a western nation for most dangerous & violent countries in the world. I actually think we are #1 amongst western nations, but don't quote me on that.

Hate to be so dark... But gun control will be a nice start. But I still think these guys get the motivation to continue what they are doing. Because in the end, the motivation is still there. It's not like it will magically disappear.

Ok man but you gotta cut off avenues that allow this person to get their hands on a gun. The majority of these mass school shootings have been committed by dudes with LEGAL purchases.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/us/politics/legal-gun-purchase-mass-shooting.html

Can we take that out of the equation? Can we start somewhere? Lets see how **** motivated these dudes are when they're scavenging for guns.

I swear, everything has to be absolute for some people. ThE vaCcinEs don'T sTop The SpReaD. No, but it will mitigate it. It's the same **** here.

[Stannis]

I'm a gun owner, and if by some miracle they passed a law where I had to return it, I'd give it a try.

But honestly, most gun owners I know are enthusiast and live by the "come and take it" philosophy. Be prepared to station the entire US army at home. Which is why I think this will never happens.

[KnicksGadfly]

I'm a gun owner, and if by some miracle they passed a law where I had to return it, I'd give it a try.

But honestly, most gun owners I know are enthusiast and live by the "come and take it" philosophy. Be prepared to station the entire US army at home. Which is why I think this will never happens.

Agree. Also you have a bunch of suckers brainwashed by Trump (and like I said before, who followed the Russian playbook for subverting democracies), and who have guns, and who have supported the Jan 6 insurrection and still believe Biden stole the election.

[j4remi]

I'm a gun owner, and if by some miracle they passed a law where I had to return it, I'd give it a try.

But honestly, most gun owners I know are enthusiast and live by the "come and take it" philosophy. Be prepared to station the entire US army at home. Which is why I think this will never happens.

I have this convo with friends all the time. If you're in the NJ/NY area, federal gun control very likely will have zero impact on you. We have tough gun laws, but everyone I know that wants to be a gun owner has gotten their guns through the process. Is it more inconvenient than other places? Yes. But it's a lot safer and it'd be even more safer if people could drive in guns from areas with lax gun laws. When I put it like that, a lot of the homies loosen up on their opposition to better gun laws (ie: better tracking of gun sales, mandatory background tracks with a wait period, and I'm trying to figure out a good way to approach liability when it comes to guns that are too easily modified to become more deadly).

I don't think they could do a "we're taking back the guns" move, but gun buyback programs have had success in other countries.

[j4remi]

This is your reminder that the Supreme Court has ruled that cops have no legal obligation to protect people

They are perfectly within their rights to sit back and do nothing while a crime is being committed, so long as they make an attempt to capture the perpetrator afterwards.

The courts have been dropping some whoppers recently too. Some haven't elevated to Supreme Court yet, but the Fifth Circuit is on the verge of shattering most regulatory powers in government via an SEC-related ruling. Torts is where damage gets done while the Legislative branch stagnates.

[MrDollarBills]

He does have a point though. Say if guns are suddenly banned and nobody has access to them.. What's stopping this guy from just running over the kids? Or going in with a knife/sword?

No, he doesn't. The intent is to kill but the tool is for different purposes.

The primary use of a car is to get around.
The primary use of a knife is to cut.
The primary use of a hammer is to hammer sh.it in.
The primary use of Clorox is to disinfect stuff.

Tell me what is the primary use of a gun/sword? TO KILL.

If anyone thinks the tools above compared to a gun are the same thing and it is to kill people then I don't know what to say except, go see a doctor or you will hurt someone.

I agree with a lot of this. But the point is these killings won't stop. There's a lot of hate within America.

We rank pretty high as a western nation for most dangerous & violent countries in the world. I actually think we are #1 amongst western nations, but don't quote me on that.

Hate to be so dark... But gun control can be a good start. But I still think these guys get the motivation to continue what they are doing. Because in the end, the motivation is still there. It's not like it will magically disappear.

You will never stop horrific murders, but again, taking weapons of war out of the equations does a LOT to control the damage that can be done by a lone individual.

[MrDollarBills]

This is your reminder that the Supreme Court has ruled that cops have no legal obligation to protect people

They are perfectly within their rights to sit back and do nothing while a crime is being committed, so long as they make an attempt to capture the perpetrator afterwards.

The courts have been dropping some whoppers recently too. Some haven't elevated to Supreme Court yet, but the Fifth Circuit is on the verge of shattering most regulatory powers in government via an SEC-related ruling. Torts is where damage gets done while the Legislative branch stagnates.

The 5th circuit court is out of control. This is why voting matters, McConnell spent 4 years ramming through a bunch of unqualified crazies for federal judge positions, and despite Trump being gone the fallout is still tearing this country to shreds.

People really underestimate how much damage was done when folks decided to sit home and sulk when Bernie Sanders lost to Hillary. Three Trump appointees to the SCOTUS. The absolute sabotage of the US Postal Service. Circuit courts filled with lunatics. I look back at that moment and shake my head because that was when America began it's collapse.

Between these two mass murder incidents and the threat of a nationwide abortion ban, if people don't go out en masse this November to remove the Republican blight from both the Senate and the House, I give up on this country.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm a gun owner, and if by some miracle they passed a law where I had to return it, I'd give it a try.

But honestly, most gun owners I know are enthusiast and live by the "come and take it" philosophy. Be prepared to station the entire US army at home. Which is why I think this will never happens.

I have this convo with friends all the time. If you're in the NJ/NY area, federal gun control very likely will have zero impact on you. We have tough gun laws, but everyone I know that wants to be a gun owner has gotten their guns through the process. Is it more inconvenient than other places? Yes. But it's a lot safer and it'd be even more safer if people could drive in guns from areas with lax gun laws. When I put it like that, a lot of the homies loosen up on their opposition to better gun laws (ie: better tracking of gun sales, mandatory background tracks with a wait period, and I'm trying to figure out a good way to approach liability when it comes to guns that are too easily modified to become more deadly).

I don't think they could do a "we're taking back the guns" move, but gun buyback programs have had success in other countries.

No one is proposing to take guns away from people, but making them harder to obtain should absolutely be on the table. Red flag laws, background checks, psych evaluations etc should all be codified into law. You shouldn't just be able to walk into a retail store and walk out with an assault rifle, it's absolute madness and for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would be in support of this in the face of what has happened. Especially if you are a legal gun owner.

[KnicksGadfly]

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Think the same thing happened in Parkland.

[Capn'O]

A new assault weapons ban or even a HEAVILY monitored process to obtain one would stop a lot of these young, white(ish), angry suburban men that commit these mass murders. Most of them get their guns legally and in close proximity to when they make their attacks. They're typically not career criminals by nature - i.e. they have little to no criminal record prior to the attack. Their intention is a one off murder spree based on a specious grievance list where they (usually) intend to off themselves in the process either themselves or by cop. They're not typically social enough creatures to navigate black markets.

Easy access to the guns themselves is a heavy factor in these mass murder instances occurring as frequently as they do. Even the most minor reform as stated above could have a huge impact. We're not going to do it but it would help stop this **** from happening.

[Stannis]

Facts...gun control and political finger pointing are not the answer.

You have to figure.... the buffalo shooter drove, what 3 hours? 3 hours this guy drove to find his targets....

Do we think that doesn't happen if he doesn't have a gun?

Possibly. But I still see it happening without guns. He'll probably just come with some chatroom friends. If you watched the recent Batman movie, you'd know how creepy and frightening that stuff was. And how relevant it was.

Spoiler:

Basically, big chatrooms with avid followers. People getting together and making plans to kill/cause chaos

America might need to actually be careful here. Because if they don't prepare and tick off the people, and it'll be hell in the USA.