2022 NBA Draft Part II

[SelfishPlayer]

No one is drafting Dyson as a SG.

Any and all values in a guard or wing relies on their ability to create, if you want to call this position point guard, that's up to you.

If you cannot create, you better be a 3 and D prospect.

Dyson is the best creator this year at the top of the draft.

If within your idea of creating includes the ability to score, Mathurin is better and more highly valued than Dyson Daniels. Sometimes players like DD, Ben Simmons, Exum, and Joe Ingles are put in the PG/playmaking position because they aren't scorers. You can hide players there in a way. The dunker spot of the perimeter, especially if you have to call screens for them to consistently beat defenders to penetrate the defense.

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't hate Jabari as a prospect but don't think he's going to reach the lofty expectations that come with being a #1 pick...his shot creation is just not there yet

If he plays like the best version of Tobias Harris but with defense, he will be well worth the #1 pick.

[7r5ur]

I don't hate Jabari as a prospect but don't think he's going to reach the lofty expectations that come with being a #1 pick...his shot creation is just not there yet

If he plays like the best version of Tobias Harris but with defense, he will be well worth the #1 pick.

Tobias has a lot more variety to his scoring than Jabari has shown any signs of.

Though yeah, they are worlds apart on D and Jabari is young, so he can come up with some type of game inside the 3 point line.

[SelfishPlayer]

I don't hate Jabari as a prospect but don't think he's going to reach the lofty expectations that come with being a #1 pick...his shot creation is just not there yet

If he plays like the best version of Tobias Harris but with defense, he will be well worth the #1 pick.

Tobias has a lot more variety to his scoring than Jabari has shown any signs of.

Though yeah, they are worlds apart on D and Jabari is young, so he can come up with some type of game inside the 3 point line.

Tobias is very mechanical as a pro. The things he does when he's at his best can all be learned. Tobias is worlds away from the player he was at Tennessee. He started inside and worked his way outside. Jabari is already outside and midrange/midpost. He can certainly finish inside, but attacking the basket hasn't been displayed as a strength yet. Unlike prospect Tobias he already has a shooting touch that will require defenders to fully respect him on the perimeter making his potential efforts to attack the basket simpler. If he doesn't go that route to become the best version of Tobias, Glenn Rice is an option. Tatum and Kris Middleton would be the ultimate most likely unachievable goal for Jabari's package of skills from my perspective, although I project him to be a better shooter than them.

[BlazersBroncos]

Glen Rice and Rashard Lewis are what I see in Jabari, especially Lewis.

My crap comps:

Jabari Smith JR - Rashard Lewis
Chet Holmgren - AK47 / Shawn Marion on stilts w/ better shooting
Paolo Banchero - Vin Baker
Jaden Ivey - Small Vic Oladipo
Shadeon Sharpe - JR Rider
Keegan Murray - Tobias Harris
AJ Griffin - SF version of Reggie Bullock
Dyson Daniels - More aggressive Nicolas Batum
Bennedict Mathurian - Rich mans KCP
Jeremy Sochan - Some wild mix of Looney and Dray
Tari Eason - Crash Wallace w/ better shooting
Walker Kessler - Joel Pryzbilla (Likely a bit better)
Jalen Duren - Mid / Late career Dwight Howard
Mark Williams - Poor mans Gobert
EJ Liddell - Paul Millsap
Wendell Moore JR - Malcolm Brogdan on a diet
Dalen Terry - Delon Wright
Christian Braun - Grayson Allen (I know, seems like a lazy comp)
David Roddy - Rodney Rodgers

[Chi town]

I’ve watched a lot more Dieng. I think he’s going to be the best player from the draft.

At 18 for my Bulls

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[Los_29]

Serious question:

Is Ochai going to be a demonstrably better pro than other upperclassmen wings like Christian Braun, Wendell Moore, Jr, Andrew Nemhard or Jalen Williams?

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yes, much. There's tiers between him and them. He really reminds me of Jimmy Butler and could end up a star. I think he could go top 10 easy

I don't know if I can see it. Ochai's assist and steal rates are really bad in comparison to when Butler was in college. Butler was also a better FT shooter. I don't see much upside with Ochai. He's also 22 years old.

[Chi town]

Serious question:

Is Ochai going to be a demonstrably better pro than other upperclassmen wings like Christian Braun, Wendell Moore, Jr, Andrew Nemhard or Jalen Williams?

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yes, much. There's tiers between him and them. He really reminds me of Jimmy Butler and could end up a star. I think he could go top 10 easy

I don't know if I can see it. Ochai's assist and steal rates are really bad in comparison to when Butler was in college. Butler was also a better FT shooter. I don't see much upside with Ochai. He's also 22 years old.

Me too. I see Reggie Bullock or KCP not Jimmy.

[SelfishPlayer]

Agbaji is unique. It's difficult to really compare him to any past prospects being that the NCAA increased the three point distance in 2019. Finding a super athlete like him that is as good at shooting from such range in the NBA draft is rare. He may be 22 but he is still improving. He's like the disciplined championship version of JR Smith combined with the younger JR Smith's athleticism.

[Jamaaliver]

Serious question:

Is Ochai going to be a demonstrably better pro than other upperclassmen wings like Christian Braun, Wendell Moore, Jr, Andrew Nemhard or Jalen Williams?

yes, much. There's tiers between him and them. He really reminds me of Jimmy Butler and could end up a star. I think he could go top 10 easy

I don't know if I can see it. Ochai's assist and steal rates are really bad in comparison to when Butler was in college. Butler was also a better FT shooter. I don't see much upside with Ochai. He's also 22 years old.

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[MemphisX]

yes, much. There's tiers between him and them. He really reminds me of Jimmy Butler and could end up a star. I think he could go top 10 easy

I don't know if I can see it. Ochai's assist and steal rates are really bad in comparison to when Butler was in college. Butler was also a better FT shooter. I don't see much upside with Ochai. He's also 22 years old.

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He compares to Malik Beasley. Which is not bad if he can add in some better defense.

[jezzerinho]

Agbaji is unique. It's difficult to really compare him to any past prospects being that the NCAA increased the three point distance in 2019. Finding a super athlete like him that is as good at shooting from such range in the NBA draft is rare. He may be 22 but he is still improving. He's like the disciplined championship version of JR Smith combined with the younger JR Smith's athleticism.

Looks like Human Torch v2.0 to me.

[WargamesX]

I don’t see where the hype from Dyson is coming from. I do think he is a top 10 guy but putting him over the combination of players like Keegan, Mathurin and AJ as the #6 pick is surprising. He isn’t nearly as dynamic a passer/floor general as Tyrese Haliburton or nearly the shooter Middleton is. The workout must have been amazing.

He has a much more well rounded game than all those guys and is the best athlete of the bunch IMO.

AJ has the shooting (Albeit I believe he is a Nesmith outlier that wont translate), isnt a great defender or athlete after the injury and has rudimentary handles, passing, basically everything outside that 3 ball is really, really raw.

Mathurian strikes me as a pretty easy to find type player, decent at a ton of things, doesnt really stand out doing any one thing. He isnt the defender, passer or handler of Dyson (And while Dyson has to improve that 3, he was 74% from the line, Mathurian only 3 points better at 77)

Murray is a totally different guy as a pure, position locked PF IMO. If you want 22PPG, he is probably the best bet of the 4 to get that. But I am not convinced he doesnt give up as much on the other end. He is basically the same size as Dyson while having more mass but isnt nearly as fluid, mobile, etc. With Dyson vs Murray, its whether you want a Batum / Bridges type of a Tobias / Warren type. I think any team wanting to win playoff games takes the former over the latter.

I disagree with all of this except Dyson is a very good passer for his size and can defend 1-3. Physically he’s been lacking all season. He often hits the front of the rim on 3pt shots when he misses because he needs to get stronger. I watched his pro day clips and you actually see him Dip lower when he catches the ball to shoot a 3pt shot so he put more strength on the shot when he gets into his motion. That extra motion won’t cut it in the league the defenders are too fast and too smart. Then another sign that he needs to add strength is he avoids contact when driving and using a a combination of floaters. He was also still relying on use a gather/two leg jump to get up to dunk. All signs he needs to get stronger, and the same signs that he had in the G league that strength is one of his biggest issues.

You also can’t tell me he is a better athlete than Johnny Davis and Mathurin who consistently drive through defenders (not always for good reasons) as they go to the hoop. Mathurin to me is probably the most all around complete wing in the lottery with Davis close behind. Also to go to Keegan Murray. He is a inch taller than Dyson (look up their sock measurements) and Keegan put really impressive numbers this year. The only reason he isn’t being discussed as a lock for a top #5 draft pick is his age. He’s also a better athlete based on the fact he’s older and better developed.

I do think Dyson is a potential top 10 player based on the idea a team takes him and sticks him in the gym for a year(s). I also don’t think he automatically has as higher ceiling than Mathurin, Keegan, or Davis. He’s more of a developmental project, but his defense, IQ, and passing makes him a a very interesting developmental project. If everything goes right you could have a wing version of Marcus Smart on your team. That is a top 10 pick, but I would still be surprised if he goes before the three guys I listed.

[K_chile22]

Seems Feigen, rockets most senior beat writer, is confident it will be Paolo at 3.

So we will get
1. Jabari
2. Chet
3. Paolo


Then the draft really starts with Sacramento

[SeattleJazzFan]

Serious question:

Is Ochai going to be a demonstrably better pro than other upperclassmen wings like Christian Braun, Wendell Moore, Jr, Andrew Nemhard or Jalen Williams?

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yes, much. There's tiers between him and them. He really reminds me of Jimmy Butler and could end up a star. I think he could go top 10 easy

I don't know if I can see it. Ochai's assist and steal rates are really bad in comparison to when Butler was in college. Butler was also a better FT shooter. I don't see much upside with Ochai. He's also 22 years old.

agbaji and butler are just different types of players - butler much more of a slasher who rarely shot threes coming out of college where agbaji is simply an athletic shooter who doesn't do a ton off the bounce or making plays for teammates. also butler was/is quite a bit bigger than ochai.

agbaji is more like a poor man's ray allen. much more similar from a size/athleticism standpoint and in the sense that they are shooters - though Ray had more skills as a pure scorer using the dribble and pull up/mid-range, etc.

[Onus]

anyone have any insights into Isaiah Crawford?

[LewisnotMiller]

I know we have some Aussie contributors here; specifically need insight from those that follow the NBL. How real is Ousmane Dieng's 2nd half of the season? Does he compare favorably to some of the other prospects that have come out of that league? Feel like he's a very real possibility for my Thunder at 12 and it scares me to think about how many "theoretical" guys we often take.

I'm zigging here, whilst I know others are zagging, but it's a hard no from me.
The second half of his season was night and day better than the first half. But part of the reason for that is just how putrid the first half was. He didn't belong in the NBL, much less the NBA (based on first-half play).

So...does he deserve credit and buzz for the improvement? Sure. But he'll need to continue that startling trajectory to be an NBA player, and it's a small sample size on a frankly bad team. Didn't get to see him in the playoffs at all.

Second rounder for me. If you burn your 30 and 34 trying to get him, it would feel like an overpay, but I'd get it. Can't make 4 picks anyway, probably. But I wouldn't use 12 on him.

[The Moose]

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[God Squad]

Seems Feigen, rockets most senior beat writer, is confident it will be Paolo at 3.

So we will get
1. Jabari
2. Chet
3. Paolo


Then the draft really starts with Sacramento

Anyone in this thread could have told you it's going to be Paolo (Leftovers) at 3.
It'll be...interesting to watch Green, KPJ, Paolo and Sengun try and defend.

[K_chile22]

I think Paolo's defense is poopood too much. I think he'll be a plus defender in the NBA in time. Good size, good athleticism, knows where to be, talks a lot. In comparison to the other guys in the top 3 he looks worse and he also took a lot of plays off, which is pretty common for prospects with a big offensive load. Ben Simmons being the premium example, not saying Paolo will be that good on defense, just an example. Now enough of a plus to work with Sengun? I'm a bit skeptical of that as well but cross that bridge when you get there