Postseason Thread 2022, ECFinals Version 1.0

[Kobewade11]

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A Dipo/Mitchell starting backcourt? I can get behind that. If Lowry isn’t gone in this scenario he’s better suited in the Wade/Dragic role off the bench at this point in his career.

Dipo/Lowry
Mitchell/Gabe
Jimmy/Strus
???/PJ
Bam/???

What is the objective with that backcourt, to have as many guys under 6’4 as possible? That team sucks, and Oladipo is not a point guard.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

They’re cut from the same cloth. What makes him so much better where “it’s not even close”

One of them has multiple seasons averaging 31-5-5 while being a top option and the entire defense being schemed around him. The other is a 6 man who has been terrible in these playoffs and terrible all season when he starts. Doesn’t Beal have multiple all nbas? It’s not close.

Beal doesn’t pass the eye test for a lot of people. Bad defender like Herro. Inefficient chucker. The Beal pipe dream came and went last season when Heat fans realized he’s not all he’s made out to be. He’s already talked about wanting to stay in Washington long term anyways. So there’s no point in even entertaining trades that aren’t likely due to that player being locked in to long contracts with that team (Dame, Mitchell, Beal, Embiid, etc.). We’ll likely have to settle for something like a Herro for Grant trade this summer because there’s really no “stars” to be had right now

Beal is actually a pretty damn efficient scorer, far more efficient than Herro and yes I agree with you on the trades to end your post I’m just stating Herro is not even close to being better than Beal. I would be very very shocked if Herro ever reaches that level. He’s closer to Jordan Clarkson than he is Beal

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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A Dipo/Mitchell starting backcourt? I can get behind that. If Lowry isn’t gone in this scenario he’s better suited in the Wade/Dragic role off the bench at this point in his career.

Dipo/Lowry
Mitchell/Gabe
Jimmy/Strus
???/PJ
Bam/???

What is the objective with that backcourt, to have as many guys under 6’4 as possible? That team sucks, and Oladipo is not a point guard.

Then start Lowry or Gabe and have Dipo win 6MOY or some ****, idgaf lol. It’s basically our same exact rotation but swap out Mitchell for Herro. Far, far better. That team is elite, our team right now is elite.

[Flash4thewin]

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A Dipo/Mitchell starting backcourt? I can get behind that. If Lowry isn’t gone in this scenario he’s better suited in the Wade/Dragic role off the bench at this point in his career.

Dipo/Lowry
Mitchell/Gabe
Jimmy/Strus
???/PJ
Bam/???

What is the objective with that backcourt, to have as many guys under 6’4 as possible? That team sucks, and Oladipo is not a point guard.

Spo approves this back court size, small ball baby lol.

[Wiltside]

My prediction? I think Riley will try and prise out Lillard/Mitchell/LaVine and make another run at it. Obviously Herro is a goner in that scenario, along with probably Duncan and filler/picks.

LaVine the guy I think may be the most likely honestly. He seems like he wants out, could see Chicago going for a package similar to above.

I also think we'll make another run at PJ Washington, who would be a good option as our up and coming stretch 4. Wanted him badly at the deadline and still think he'd be useful right now.

Lowry / Vincent / Smart (2-way)
LaVine? / Oladipo / Young FA
Butler / Strus / Martin
Washington / Tucker / Highsmith (2-way)
Adebayo / Yurtseven / Vet FA

Something like that.

[SA37]

Miami can't get any max/near max player without including Lowry, Adebayo, or Butler.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

My prediction? I think Riley will try and prise out Lillard/Mitchell/LaVine and make another run at it. Obviously Herro is a goner in that scenario, along with probably Duncan and filler/picks.

LaVine the guy I think may be the most likely honestly. He seems like he wants out, could see Chicago going for a package similar to above.

I also think we'll make another run at PJ Washington, who would be a good option as our up and coming stretch 4. Wanted him badly at the deadline and still think he'd be useful right now.

Lowry / Vincent / Smart (2-way)
LaVine? / Oladipo / Young FA
Butler / Strus / Martin
Washington / Tucker / Highsmith (2-way)
Adebayo / Yurtseven / Vet FA

Something like that.

This is definitely Riley’s mindset this summer

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’ll I’ll say this and I’m sure I’ll be in the minority but with the Kyrie news and his trade value being at an all time low we really might have a chance of snagging and elite offensive talent to bolster this team. Especially in the half court. If you swap him and Lowry this season I’m very, very confident we win the championship.

Him and Jimmy are also boys

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The covid **** isnt going to effect us near as much as it did the nets this year and idc about the unpredictability. Hell, we had Lowry miss 3 different long stretches this season for personal reasons. That’s about as unpredictable as it gets. Not a knock on Lowry, life happens, im just saying

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[SA37]

We’ll I’ll say this and I’m sure I’ll be in the minority but with the Kyrie news and his trade value being at an all time low we really might have a chance of snagging and elite offensive talent to bolster this team. Especially in the half court. If you swap him and Lowry this season I’m very, very confident we win the championship.

Him and Jimmy are also boys

Irving's trade value isn't going to be much lower, if any at all. What has potentially changed is the number of teams that would be willing to take a risk on Irving. At some point, keeping Irving is preferable to trading him for pennies on the dollar, especially if Durant wants Irving around.

I think the main issue here is that Brooklyn doesn't want to give Irving a 5-year guaranteed deal for 2 reasons: 1) it doesn't give them any outs in case Irving starts pulling his nonsense and 2) it is a hedge against Irving's trade value falling too far; it's much harder to take a chance on Irving if you're on the hook for 4-5 years versus having a team option after 1-2 years.

I imagine Brooklyn will offer Irving a 3-year deal with 2 years guaranteed and the 3rd being a team option. They have no competition as far as teams with cap space go, so there is no reason to offer anything more than that.

As far as Miami goes, I think they'd explore any potential Irving trade, but given any deal for a star would require Lowry, Herro, and Robinson -- and that Miami doesn't have much more beyond that to offer -- Miami could potentially get look into guys like Lillard, Lavine, DeRozan, Siakam, or Beal.

I have a feeling Miami is going to look into lower tier guys they could potentially move Robinson for, like PJ Washington, Oubre, Jerami Grant, Christian Wood, or Myles Turner. It would take more than Robinson to get those guys (not sure where Miami stands on picks), but a deal around Robinson isn't nuts.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’ll I’ll say this and I’m sure I’ll be in the minority but with the Kyrie news and his trade value being at an all time low we really might have a chance of snagging and elite offensive talent to bolster this team. Especially in the half court. If you swap him and Lowry this season I’m very, very confident we win the championship.

Him and Jimmy are also boys

Irving's trade value isn't going to be much lower, if any at all. What has potentially changed is the number of teams that would be willing to take a risk on Irving. At some point, keeping Irving is preferable to trading him for pennies on the dollar, especially if Durant wants Irving around.

I think the main issue here is that Brooklyn doesn't want to give Irving a 5-year guaranteed deal for 2 reasons: 1) it doesn't give them any outs in case Irving starts pulling his nonsense and 2) it is a hedge against Irving's trade value falling too far; it's much harder to take a chance on Irving if you're on the hook for 4-5 years versus having a team option after 1-2 years.

I imagine Brooklyn will offer Irving a 3-year deal with 2 years guaranteed and the 3rd being a team option. They have no competition as far as teams with cap space go, so there is no reason to offer anything more than that.

As far as Miami goes, I think they'd explore any potential Irving trade, but given any deal for a star would require Lowry, Herro, and Robinson -- and that Miami doesn't have much more beyond that to offer -- Miami could potentially get look into guys like Lillard, Lavine, DeRozan, Siakam, or Beal.

I have a feeling Miami is going to look into lower tier guys they could potentially move Robinson for, like PJ Washington, Oubre, Jerami Grant, Christian Wood, or Myles Turner. It would take more than Robinson to get those guys (not sure where Miami stands on picks), but a deal around Robinson isn't nuts.

I’m fine with Lowry going out with Herro if it lands us Dame, Kyrie, Beal, or Lavine. That style of player is exactly what we’re missing. An elite 3 level scorer that can create for themselves from anywhere. We don’t have anyone out there hitting someone with a dribble move into a pull up 3 in an isolation or something. We’re missing that dynamic on offense.

Lowry excluded, the lowest I think I would go in a Herro/Duncan trade is Grant and Bey. 2 really solid 3 and D guys who have both had huge scoring games this season. Bey is young too, hell he torched us this year

[3ammy3uck3ts]

But yes if we do trade for one of those skilled scorers we’ve listed we still need to find a way to improve the frontcourt. PJ needs to be preserved off the bench for the playoffs and Dedmon can’t be the backup. We need improvements there

[Kobewade11]

Yes a scorer is needed, but not just any scorer. It has to be someone that can withstand the physical nature of Eastern Conference basketball (ie: Boston/Milwaukee). You start with the hail mary options and yea that means both Bam and Herro are gone.

-see if Jimmy/Embiid can collude to force him out of Philly
-check in on the N.O./Zion situation

Then you work your way down and check on what should be slightly less expensive packages: Mitchell, Kyrie, Beal, in that order. Lavine and Lillard are too finesse. Someone like Jerami Grant is an ok consolation prize if they are hell bent on Bambi at the 5.

In a perfect world I’d keep Herro. But the way the roster is constructed he will probably be sacrificed for a more proven scorer. Its not about him as much as it is the top 2 on the roster, one being a non traditional scorer and the other not even wanting to score. There’s a reason why Draymond works as the 3rd guy in GS and Smart as the 3rd guy in Boston. We were 17-9 without Bam btw.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Our record was good with all of our main guys out, that just shows our depth and the difference in regular season ball to postseason. Hell we even closed a series out without Jimmy and Lowry but in these later rounds take away Jimmy or Bam and there’s a very good chance we’re swept.

I’m fine with packaging Herro and Bam for the right piece but if that piece isn’t an Embiid level player then it’s not the right move. Can’t be Zion, he’s way too questionable.

If an Embiid level deal isn’t happening you test the PG market using Herro Lowry and our picks on Dame/Kyrie level guys then as you said work your way to the Mitchell/Beal/Lavine type and lastly, Grant.

A move or 2 have to be made though. Big trade and then a signing to shore up the front court.

It’s not even so much as fit when it comes to Herro. It’s the fact he can’t be relied upon to do the one thing he’s good at when the playoffs come around, he’s one of the worst defenders in the league, and he’s going to be getting a max soon.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Kyrie may even be a possibility without including Lowry and just sending Herro Duncan and picks or something. Idk his value I just know it’s at an all time low

[dagger151]

We need to stop with the Lowry talk . His value isnt worth much right now and he isnt an expiring contract. Perhaps he is tradable after next season, but not many teams would want to pay a declining PG $30+M a year that only plays 2/3 of the games.

Herro is a trade asset, BAM can be too. Jimmy has value. Duncan does not have much value other than helping to make the money line up. We need to get younger stars so the legs last longer in grueling seasons like the last few years.

LaVine is intriguing. Id imagine Strus could be part of that deal to send him home to Chi-town?

Embiid is a pipe dream. No way Morey pairs him up with Jimmy on another team.'

I can see Kyrie in a S&T but I personally dont want that cancer near our team.

Beal isnt worth the money IMO

Dame time is!

[Gant]

Kyrie may even be a possibility without including Lowry and just sending Herro Duncan and picks or something. Idk his value I just know it’s at an all time low

Oh, no, do not attempt this.

Despite his obvious talent, acquiring Kyrie for nothing probably would not work out favorably, let alone giving anything up for him. No matter what player on your team infuriates you most, Kyrie has the uncanny potential of surpassing that.

[Wiltside]

I think you can probably forget about Lowry being dealt anywhere this offseason. It’s just so unlikely on a number of levels.

Duncan will be a goner. Herro a question mark, could see Riley extending him but could also see him trading for that #1 offensive option. We’ll see what happens once we get there e