Around the NBA - the sharp end of the playoffs - Randle snubbed for All NBA

[GettinitDone]

What I remember most about Darvin Ham was he competed in 97 Dunk Contest in Cleveland when my fave player then rookie Kobe won.

I remember his sick buzzer beater in Milwaukee.

Don't know that one lol

[Chanel Bomber]

Caleb Martin super annoying

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Brown is cooking everyone

[duetta]

Only a team with Evan Fournier can defeat the Celtics...

Please, take our Evan...

[Capn'O]

If we’d drafted Steph he would have come off the bench as Felton’s backup

This is not true. We had Mike Dantoni as coach. They already had Steph penciled in as our savior at PG. D'Antoni was gon a ride him like Secretariat pre-Jeremy Lin. Donnie Walsh and management weren't even quiet about it as everyone thought he would fall to us and we would draft him. Knicks were caught off guard because Steph refused a workout with the Warriors and Nelson still drafted him.

It's because we're the Knicks. We don't secure our picks because we are blind to other FO's moves and are left dumbfounded how we failed year in, year out.

I will say this though, had we gotten Curry, the moment Steph struggled his first year and had imjury troubles, we would've traded him for a chance at 2 Max Cats in 2010.

As I have said a couple times, I think from that perspective and in a strange way missing out on Curry was arguably the best thing to happen to this franchise.

Because I don't know if the Knicks franchise could have recovered from the embarrassment of watching Curry become one of the greatest players the sport has ever produced for another team after trading him. It would have been absolutely devastating, on a level that even the end of Linsanity and the 2019 offseason (a crushing blow itself) don't compare to.

I do think Walsh would've probably traded Wilson Chandler ahead of Curry for capspace, since he was an Isiah Thomas pick. The question to me is whether the Knicks would've traded Steph for Melo.

Looking at the game logs, Curry only really missed time in 2011-12 though. It's less than I remembered.

Now you're just trying to be controversial

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[3toheadmelo]

never understood why people said boston should break apart tatum and brown

[Chanel Bomber]

This is not true. We had Mike Dantoni as coach. They already had Steph penciled in as our savior at PG. D'Antoni was gon a ride him like Secretariat pre-Jeremy Lin. Donnie Walsh and management weren't even quiet about it as everyone thought he would fall to us and we would draft him. Knicks were caught off guard because Steph refused a workout with the Warriors and Nelson still drafted him.

It's because we're the Knicks. We don't secure our picks because we are blind to other FO's moves and are left dumbfounded how we failed year in, year out.

I will say this though, had we gotten Curry, the moment Steph struggled his first year and had imjury troubles, we would've traded him for a chance at 2 Max Cats in 2010.

As I have said a couple times, I think from that perspective and in a strange way missing out on Curry was arguably the best thing to happen to this franchise.

Because I don't know if the Knicks franchise could have recovered from the embarrassment of watching Curry become one of the greatest players the sport has ever produced for another team after trading him. It would have been absolutely devastating, on a level that even the end of Linsanity and the 2019 offseason (a crushing blow itself) don't compare to.

I do think Walsh would've probably traded Wilson Chandler ahead of Curry for capspace, since he was an Isiah Thomas pick. The question to me is whether the Knicks would've traded Steph for Melo.

Looking at the game logs, Curry only really missed time in 2011-12 though. It's less than I remembered.

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I said "from that perspective" meaning if the Knicks had traded Steph.

It's not controversial.

The Knicks would've had a hard time recovering from seeing Steph become one of the all-time greats after trading him. It would have been devastating, and every 3-pointer from Steph would have been a reminder of the Knicks' ineptitude. It would have been embarrassing for Knicks fans to a level that even the 2019 offseason pales in comparison to.

[Chanel Bomber]

never understood why people said boston should break apart tatum and brown

Tatum's evolution as a playmaker changes their whole dynamic on offense. They used to play a lot of your turn, my turn basketball. Tatum's ability to draw double teams and his willingness to pass out of those double teams have made it a more symbiotic relationship.

[3toheadmelo]

never understood why people said boston should break apart tatum and brown

Tatum's evolution as a playmaker changes their whole dynamic on offense. They used to play a lot of your turn, my turn basketball. Tatum's ability to draw double teams and his willingness to pass out of those double teams have made it a more symbiotic relationship.

Tatum is what we wish Randle was

[Iron Mantis]

I think talent is far more of a difference-maker than coaching. Coaching is a ceiling raiser in my opinion (especially in the playoffs), moreso than a floor raiser (unless your coach is so far ahead of his time e.g. D'Antoni turning the Suns and Rockets into contenders).

Thibs helped the freaking Knicks make the playoffs just a year ago as the 4th seed in the East. Does that mean he's a good coach? Probably not. But let's not act like the man can't coach at all in today's NBA.

Randle was the best playmaker in the Knicks' starting line-up last year. Second-best on the team behind Rose. Rose was hurt all season long this year. Kemba was unplayable because of his defense. Randle was de facto the best playmaker remaining on the team. He sucked, he was awful, he was a disgrace, all of those things might be true, but the fact is Thibs didn't really have any reliable alternatives. Again, Randle was elevated as his franchise through his contract extension, and he had helped him reach the playoffs primarily through his playmaking. I don't think it's fair to expect Thibs to give up on Randle so fast.

Everybody here would be complaining about Udoka if he inherited this roster and predictably failed to make the playoffs. And unfairly so.

Brooklyn Nets say "hello".

I think coaching is more important, because coaches can contribute to making players, and teams, grow and develop...but players can't do much to make a coach(especially stubborn ones) become better at the nuances of coaching.

Well we disagree then.

Coaching makes a difference, particularly in the playoffs. But Greg Poppovich hasn't made the playoffs in three years not because he's not a great coach, but because his teams have lacked talent. You don't win in the NBA without talent. It drives success far more than coaching.

The Nets didn't have their full squad for most of the season, which in my opinion explains why they played a Finals team (presumably) and got bounced in the first round of the playoffs.

With a real coach, instead of Kyrie and KD coaching in the playoffs en route to a sweep.....the Nets win at least 2 games.

Pop is cool though. Look at the Spurs lineups throughout the season and their ages. The Spurs can draft anywhere and the players immediately get PT and become contributors and develop rapidly.

Dejounte Murray--Spurs Pick #29 in 2016 (starter by his 2nd season)

Joshua Primo----- Spurs Pick #12 in 2021 (closed the season as a starter and Spurs went on a tear and made the play-in, may start next season)

Devin Vassell------- Spurs Pick # 11 in 2020 (promoted to starter after Spurs traded homegrown vet 29th pick D.White, while incoming 28yo heady vet J.Rich was given a bench role...Thibs would have been trying to develop J.Rich instead of promoting homegrown youngin)

Keldon Johnson-------Spurs Pick #29 in 2019 (starter by his 2nd season)

Jakob Poeltl-----------(token vet obtained via trade)

Pop has been actively developing his young players while being barely worse than the Knicks record-wise, while the Knicks have been losing on the backs of mediocre old journeyman, while the development of young players is left purely to chance. That's on the coach.

All of the Spurs young players are better than any Knick prospect not named RJ...primarily because of the coach playing them...and, well, coaching them. Spurs have legit assets who will be leading the Spurs to the playoffs soon.

That's why I said I think coaching is more important, because coaching involves more than just a decent record...development is a part of it.

[Guano]

never understood why people said boston should break apart tatum and brown

[TheGreenArrow]

TatUm is sooo Mid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guano]

13 & 7 for 3toheadLowry

[TheGreenArrow]

Victor looking good folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can’t even lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[knicksNOTslick]

This game is so badly officiated for both sides. I feel like the NBA should issue an apology

[knicksNOTslick]

Is it me or does Bam Adebayo move on every screen? Maybe to be considered a good screener, you have to be.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Refs are basically getting every call wrong…lol

[3toheadmelo]

13 & 7 for 3toheadLowry

fouled out!!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Can anyone here imagine Mitch playing in the 4th quarter of a game like this? I certainly can't.

[TheGreenArrow]

Tatum is stiffer than Rj!!!!!!!!!!!!!!