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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
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51%
Chet Holmgren
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29%
Paolo Banchero
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13%
Jaden Ivey
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0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#801 » by RookieStar » Fri May 27, 2022 10:33 pm

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RookieStar wrote:Sooooo.. i checked out B/R and it mentioned we gave a hin to who we are picking based on the interview... something along the lines of liking long, lanky, multi-dimensional types.

Lol so much smoke. Are we doing it for OKCs bid? Is it real?


Jabari fits that mold too lol


Lol. You noticed i didnt mention ANY names? I was trying to be a troll but you pretty much busted my game.

Yup.. i was gonna put in " we are taking JS guys " for the punchline but wanted to see who would get it.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#802 » by SOUL » Fri May 27, 2022 10:34 pm

RookieStar wrote:Yup.. i was gonna put in " we are taking JS guys " for the punchline but wanted to see who would get it.


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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#803 » by RookieStar » Fri May 27, 2022 10:36 pm

Magic4champ wrote:What if OKC came knocking to trade #2 and Giddey for #1 and Suggs so they can pair Suggs with Chet and SGA. Would we do it? Can Chet transform and develop to the next Giannis? Can he become a Gobert with offense? I am gonna trust this FO since they gambled on Giannis when we drafted #2 with Oladipo. Hopefully we get the best for the Magic.


1. BENSATIONAL would have multiple orgasms if OKC gives us Giddey.

2 That would actually work.... i think....
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#804 » by Magic4champ » Fri May 27, 2022 11:09 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Magic4champ wrote:What if OKC came knocking to trade #2 and Giddey for #1 and Suggs so they can pair Suggs with Chet and SGA. Would we do it? Can Chet transform and develop to the next Giannis? Can he become a Gobert with offense? I am gonna trust this FO since they gambled on Giannis when we drafted #2 with Oladipo. Hopefully we get the best for the Magic.

Oh forgot to add #12 pick of okc to sweeten the deal

1. BENSATIONAL would have multiple orgasms if OKC gives us Giddey.

2 That would actually work.... i think....
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#805 » by Magic4champ » Sat May 28, 2022 12:09 am

Ryen Rusillo's pick, great discussion for our options for #1
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#806 » by ogmagicfan » Sat May 28, 2022 1:13 am

Magic4champ wrote:What if OKC came knocking to trade #2 and Giddey for #1 and Suggs so they can pair Suggs with Chet and SGA. Would we do it? Can Chet transform and develop to the next Giannis? Can he become a Gobert with offense? I am gonna trust this FO since they gambled on Giannis when we drafted #2 with Oladipo. Hopefully we get the best for the Magic.


OKC giving us a pick lower and worse player? Count me out.

Suggs at the very least has one of the premium skills in this league, great defense. Offensively both were crap. Even if you think Giddey is better than Suggs, do you think he is so much better that he's worth jumping a pick, let alone from 2nd to 1st?

Let alone Giddey's skills being redundant next to Fultz except Fultz is an elite finisher in the league. Suggs compliments his game and gives us the luxury to add a offensive star at guard even if they have defensive holes because Suggs will guard the harder one to guard like Klay with Steph, and provides us a future potential all NBA defensive guard, when compared to the rest of our guards defensively he looks like Gary Payton.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#807 » by Magic4champ » Sat May 28, 2022 1:32 am

I think any picks 1 to 4 is gonna be good for the Magic. Even Ivey can be in the conversation in the tier of talents at #1
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#808 » by Magic4champ » Sat May 28, 2022 1:43 am

ogmagicfan wrote:
Magic4champ wrote:What if OKC came knocking to trade #2 and Giddey for #1 and Suggs so they can pair Suggs with Chet and SGA. Would we do it? Can Chet transform and develop to the next Giannis? Can he become a Gobert with offense? I am gonna trust this FO since they gambled on Giannis when we drafted #2 with Oladipo. Hopefully we get the best for the Magic.


OKC giving us a pick lower and worse player? Count me out.

Suggs at the very least has one of the premium skills in this league, great defense. Offensively both were crap. Even if you think Giddey is better than Suggs, do you think he is so much better that he's worth jumping a pick, let alone from 2nd to 1st?

Let alone Giddey's skills being redundant next to Fultz except Fultz is an elite finisher in the league. Suggs compliments his game and gives us the luxury to add a offensive star at guard even if they have defensive holes because Suggs will guard the harder one to guard like Klay with Steph, and provides us a future potential all NBA defensive guard, when compared to the rest of our guards defensively he looks like Gary Payton.

The idea is for us at #2 is to pair Jabari with 3 playmakers with him stretching the floor for Franz, Fultz to operate and attack the paint. Since Jabari will be limited with just 1 to 2 dribbles, he needs unselfish players around him. WCJ setting pick and pop. Franz moving without the ball. No ball stoppers with everyone moving without the ball and finally getting Jabari take the unstoppable jump shots from all over.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#809 » by ruffian253 » Sat May 28, 2022 5:03 am

Magic4champ wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:
Magic4champ wrote:What if OKC came knocking to trade #2 and Giddey for #1 and Suggs so they can pair Suggs with Chet and SGA. Would we do it? Can Chet transform and develop to the next Giannis? Can he become a Gobert with offense? I am gonna trust this FO since they gambled on Giannis when we drafted #2 with Oladipo. Hopefully we get the best for the Magic.


OKC giving us a pick lower and worse player? Count me out.

Suggs at the very least has one of the premium skills in this league, great defense. Offensively both were crap. Even if you think Giddey is better than Suggs, do you think he is so much better that he's worth jumping a pick, let alone from 2nd to 1st?

Let alone Giddey's skills being redundant next to Fultz except Fultz is an elite finisher in the league. Suggs compliments his game and gives us the luxury to add a offensive star at guard even if they have defensive holes because Suggs will guard the harder one to guard like Klay with Steph, and provides us a future potential all NBA defensive guard, when compared to the rest of our guards defensively he looks like Gary Payton.

The idea is for us at #2 is to pair Jabari with 3 playmakers with him stretching the floor for Franz, Fultz to operate and attack the paint. Since Jabari will be limited with just 1 to 2 dribbles, he needs unselfish players around him. WCJ setting pick and pop. Franz moving without the ball. No ball stoppers with everyone moving without the ball and finally getting Jabari take the unstoppable jump shots from all over.


In theory, that sounds good, but like twolves, suns, and grizz, why would you want your tallest player shooting jump shots, that's what SGs and SFs are for.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#810 » by ogmagicfan » Sat May 28, 2022 5:10 am

Magic4champ wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:
Magic4champ wrote:What if OKC came knocking to trade #2 and Giddey for #1 and Suggs so they can pair Suggs with Chet and SGA. Would we do it? Can Chet transform and develop to the next Giannis? Can he become a Gobert with offense? I am gonna trust this FO since they gambled on Giannis when we drafted #2 with Oladipo. Hopefully we get the best for the Magic.


OKC giving us a pick lower and worse player? Count me out.

Suggs at the very least has one of the premium skills in this league, great defense. Offensively both were crap. Even if you think Giddey is better than Suggs, do you think he is so much better that he's worth jumping a pick, let alone from 2nd to 1st?

Let alone Giddey's skills being redundant next to Fultz except Fultz is an elite finisher in the league. Suggs compliments his game and gives us the luxury to add a offensive star at guard even if they have defensive holes because Suggs will guard the harder one to guard like Klay with Steph, and provides us a future potential all NBA defensive guard, when compared to the rest of our guards defensively he looks like Gary Payton.

The idea is for us at #2 is to pair Jabari with 3 playmakers with him stretching the floor for Franz, Fultz to operate and attack the paint. Since Jabari will be limited with just 1 to 2 dribbles, he needs unselfish players around him. WCJ setting pick and pop. Franz moving without the ball. No ball stoppers with everyone moving without the ball and finally getting Jabari take the unstoppable jump shots from all over.


Gotcha.

I see what you're saying, I wouldn't be willing to compromise defense to achieve that vision personally.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#811 » by fateis007 » Sat May 28, 2022 11:52 am

Still going with Banchero. 6'11" 250 LB beast that plays like a guard. His passing is WAY beyond jabari and chet, not just by assist numbers, but the way he gets them. He actually breaks down defenses with high pick and rolls, post ups, and face ups. He is by far the best ball handler of the 3 and actually looks like he can handle NBA defense. These other guys have very high dribbles and will suffer a lot trying to push the ball off rebounds and and trying to be as physical in the NBA. Banchero can push it and create and bully day one.

People are always talking about Chets feel for the game, I think Banchero has that same feel, and a more refined skill set. Where Chet has it on the defensive end that really shines, Banchero has it with his ability to create for others and himself. The main issue is im much more confident Bancheros play style will translate, I dont think Chet will be a dominate inside presense in the NBA where everyone has 30-40lbs on him and he doesn't have such a huge size advantage.

Honestly I don't dont see how you pass up on him. His defense isn't that bad and can be improved and his shot is respectable. I have always felt a players handle is one of the hardest things to improve. You hardly ever see a player evolve into a player with the ball on a string, who was average in college. But we have seen many improve as shooters.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#812 » by jezzerinho » Sat May 28, 2022 12:59 pm

fateis007 wrote:Still going with Banchero. 6'11" 250 LB beast that plays like a guard. His passing is WAY beyond jabari and chet, not just by assist numbers, but the way he gets them. He actually breaks down defenses with high pick and rolls, post ups, and face ups. He is by far the best ball handler of the 3 and actually looks like he can handle NBA defense. These other guys have very high dribbles and will suffer a lot trying to push the ball off rebounds and and trying to be as physical in the NBA. Banchero can push it and create and bully day one.

People are always talking about Chets feel for the game, I think Banchero has that same feel, and a more refined skill set. Where Chet has it on the defensive end that really shines, Banchero has it with his ability to create for others and himself. The main issue is im much more confident Bancheros play style will translate, I dont think Chet will be a dominate inside presense in the NBA where everyone has 30-40lbs on him and he doesn't have such a huge size advantage.

Honestly I don't dont see how you pass up on him. His defense isn't that bad and can be improved and his shot is respectable. I have always felt a players handle is one of the hardest things to improve. You hardly ever see a player evolve into a player with the ball on a string, who was average in college. But we have seen many improve as shooters.


You just have to get over the defensive side to be on Bandwagon Banchero. He reminds me a little predraft of what was being said about Anthony Edwards, in terms of defensive motor, concentration lapses, IQ doubts and appetite questions. Ant-Man turned out ok, he's a positive defensive contributor and the IQ is more evident than it might have been predraft.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paolo was a similar case and, if so, then the team that picks him really has a player on their hands.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#813 » by bigdogdylan5 » Sat May 28, 2022 3:52 pm

I feel like an incredibly easy indicator of how you are wired from a motor and drive stand point is defense ability. It is not hard to be an above average defender it just takes work and effort. Banchero may be talented but i think the motor and defensive ability of Jabari and Chet give an indication that they will get every last bit of talent out of themselves. Also I kept hearing we need to get better shooting for years and we need to stop taking players and trying to develop them to shooters but now we need to take the worst shooter of the three? I know we need creation but I think Banchero creation is not better than Franz he is just more athletic.
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Post#814 » by VFX » Sat May 28, 2022 6:13 pm

The more I think about this pick the less I care. Pretty crazy considering it’s a #1 pick.
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Post#816 » by zaymon » Sat May 28, 2022 7:21 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:I feel like an incredibly easy indicator of how you are wired from a motor and drive stand point is defense ability. It is not hard to be an above average defender it just takes work and effort. Banchero may be talented but i think the motor and defensive ability of Jabari and Chet give an indication that they will get every last bit of talent out of themselves. Also I kept hearing we need to get better shooting for years and we need to stop taking players and trying to develop them to shooters but now we need to take the worst shooter of the three? I know we need creation but I think Banchero creation is not better than Franz he is just more athletic.


We had shooters, what we lacked was elite ball handlers and shot creators.
Fournier was good shooter, Augustine was good, Vucevic became good, Ross was good, Isaac and Gordon were sligthly below average. There was no one who could create 1vs1 late in the game, no one to break half court defense.
Banchero and Franz should compliment each other and become next great wing/forward duo after Brown/ Tatum. Having two of those guys would be huge, especially that Banchero is better at iso and Wagner at pick and roll.
We can adres shooting in free agency and trades after we draft our creator.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#817 » by RichCollab » Sat May 28, 2022 7:24 pm

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: All 3 have potential fatal flaws.
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Post#818 » by RichCollab » Sat May 28, 2022 7:27 pm

I am curious who Mosley wants.
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Post#819 » by MAGICian619 » Sat May 28, 2022 8:06 pm

For those that like the advanced stats. Pretty crazy that Chet is pretty much rated highest at everything and Banchero lowest at everything. Jabari 2nd behind Chet at everything but 3p shooting.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paolo-banchero--chet-holmgren--jabari-smith

HOLMGREN SMITH BANCHERO
TS% .691 .570 .557
EFG% .680 .521 .520
3PA RATE .375 .440 .253
FTA RATE. .354 .384 .366
PROJ NBA3 .351 .382 .343
HOLMGREN SMITH BANCHERO
USG% 21.6 27.6 27.5
PER 31.3 25.1 24.2
OWS/40 .153 .131 .124
DWS/40 .144 .094 .068
WS/40 .293 .229 .190
ORTG 127.0 116.5 113.8
DRTG 78.7 90.7 98.1
OBPM 7.5 7.4 5.4
DBPM 7.5 3.8 2.3
BPM 15.0 11.1 7.7
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Post#820 » by basketballRob » Sat May 28, 2022 8:18 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:For those that like the advanced stats. Pretty crazy that Chet is pretty much rated highest at everything and Banchero lowest at everything. Jabari 2nd behind Chet at everything but 3p shooting.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=paolo-banchero--chet-holmgren--jabari-smith

HOLMGREN SMITH BANCHERO
TS% .691 .570 .557
EFG% .680 .521 .520
3PA RATE .375 .440 .253
FTA RATE. .354 .384 .366
PROJ NBA3 .351 .382 .343
HOLMGREN SMITH BANCHERO
USG% 21.6 27.6 27.5
PER 31.3 25.1 24.2
OWS/40 .153 .131 .124
DWS/40 .144 .094 .068
WS/40 .293 .229 .190
ORTG 127.0 116.5 113.8
DRTG 78.7 90.7 98.1
OBPM 7.5 7.4 5.4
DBPM 7.5 3.8 2.3
BPM 15.0 11.1 7.7
Nice work. Jabari also played in a tougher conference than Chet and he was 18-years-old for the entire year.

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