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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#121 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Mar 31, 2022 7:14 pm

GreatWhiteStiff wrote:I wonder if a player will ever take it super cautiously (minute restriction perhaps) knowing their body can't take too much of a beating before their 2nd nba contract. Not that I think Chet will, but I can see it being a good strategy. I mean Zion's taking a lot of time off right now, but I"m not sure about his injury or if he's being cautious for that reason.

Zion is going to get a max extension no matter what. Embiid got a max extension after just 33 games played. Unless you're Oden and your body has officially quit on you, if you have the ability teams will give you the big second contract. Don't even need to be a freak talent either, look at MPJ.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#122 » by MemphisX » Fri May 27, 2022 6:34 am

Has there even been a defensive anchor in the NBA without physicality?
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#123 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri May 27, 2022 3:03 pm

MemphisX wrote:Has there even been a defensive anchor in the NBA without physicality?


AK47 wasnt really a bruiser, neither was Marion.

I think Chet is basically a giant version of those guys, obviously a more post oriented version but those are my comps. I dont ever think he is more than a 18-20ppg scorer, but he will be a defensive beast and plays unselfish / doesnt ball stop (Unlike KP, a big reason those comps are bad) / knows how to pass.
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Post#124 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri May 27, 2022 3:18 pm

even kristaps, as soft as he is, has been a pretty good rim protector at times in his career.

even if chet never becomes a "defensive anchor", he can have an impact in terms of protecting the rim and be very valuable on the defensive side of the ball.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#125 » by UcanUwill » Fri May 27, 2022 7:55 pm

AK47 was way stronger than Chet, broad shoulders, fit and very athletic. I agree that strength is no longer the decisive factor in defense, but this guy Chet, I just dont see it with him.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#126 » by LofJ » Fri May 27, 2022 8:24 pm

The Thunder managed to put some weight on Pokusevski (and Durant too before that). He went from being a twig to actually having some muscle mass. They have experience developing players with frail frames coming into the league. They're the ideal landing spot for Chet.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#127 » by EMG518 » Fri May 27, 2022 8:49 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:I wonder if a player will ever take it super cautiously (minute restriction perhaps) knowing their body can't take too much of a beating before their 2nd nba contract. Not that I think Chet will, but I can see it being a good strategy. I mean Zion's taking a lot of time off right now, but I"m not sure about his injury or if he's being cautious for that reason.

Zion is going to get a max extension no matter what. Embiid got a max extension after just 33 games played. Unless you're Oden and your body has officially quit on you, if you have the ability teams will give you the big second contract. Don't even need to be a freak talent either, look at MPJ.


If I'm remembering correctly the Embiid contract wasn't fully guaranteed, it had alot of stipulations.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#128 » by Ell Curry » Sat May 28, 2022 4:32 am

I think I'd go Chet-Banchero-Jabari. Just feels like too big a red flag for me that Jabari doesn't really have a bag and the other 2 do, though Jabari's effort defensively and shooting make me think he might be better in his first couple years than Chet will.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#129 » by MemphisX » Sat May 28, 2022 7:03 am

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MemphisX wrote:Has there even been a defensive anchor in the NBA without physicality?


AK47 wasnt really a bruiser, neither was Marion.

I think Chet is basically a giant version of those guys, obviously a more post oriented version but those are my comps. I dont ever think he is more than a 18-20ppg scorer, but he will be a defensive beast and plays unselfish / doesnt ball stop (Unlike KP, a big reason those comps are bad) / knows how to pass.



eh, neither of these dudes were defensive anchors and Chet is not going to be a lock down perimeter guy.
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Post#130 » by MemphisX » Sat May 28, 2022 7:04 am

UcanUwill wrote:AK47 was way stronger than Chet, broad shoulders, fit and very athletic. I agree that strength is no longer the decisive factor in defense, but this guy Chet, I just dont see it with him.



I think strength is THE decisive factor in defense. It is the reason why Luka was able to motor boat Mikal Bridges but not Andrew Wiggins.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#131 » by SelfishPlayer » Sun May 29, 2022 4:44 am

Shawn Bradley was strong enough...
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#132 » by BlazersBroncos » Sun May 29, 2022 4:25 pm

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MemphisX wrote:Has there even been a defensive anchor in the NBA without physicality?


AK47 wasnt really a bruiser, neither was Marion.

I think Chet is basically a giant version of those guys, obviously a more post oriented version but those are my comps. I dont ever think he is more than a 18-20ppg scorer, but he will be a defensive beast and plays unselfish / doesnt ball stop (Unlike KP, a big reason those comps are bad) / knows how to pass.



eh, neither of these dudes were defensive anchors and Chet is not going to be a lock down perimeter guy.


What? Those are two of the most versatile, talented defensive forwards of the past 20 years.
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Post#133 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Jun 2, 2022 7:02 am

MemphisX wrote:Has there even been a defensive anchor in the NBA without physicality?


Marcus Camby. Led the league in blocks 2-3 times I think and could also defend out to the perimeter and close on jump shooters. They're very similar in size and build of course imho Chet is a much much better prospect especially offensively
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#134 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu Jun 2, 2022 2:17 pm

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MemphisX wrote:Has there even been a defensive anchor in the NBA without physicality?


Marcus Camby. Led the league in blocks 2-3 times I think and could also defend out to the perimeter and close on jump shooters. They're very similar in size and build of course imho Chet is a much much better prospect especially offensively


Camby on defense is a really good comp, he was quite mobile on switches for his size. Chet wont be the insane rebounder Marcus was, but will be numerous levels better offensively (Marcus had that trebuchet like jumper lol)
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#135 » by pad300 » Thu Jun 2, 2022 4:45 pm

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MemphisX wrote:Has there even been a defensive anchor in the NBA without physicality?


Marcus Camby. Led the league in blocks 2-3 times I think and could also defend out to the perimeter and close on jump shooters. They're very similar in size and build of course imho Chet is a much much better prospect especially offensively


Camby on defense is a really good comp, he was quite mobile on switches for his size. Chet wont be the insane rebounder Marcus was, but will be numerous levels better offensively (Marcus had that trebuchet like jumper lol)


Camby with ++offense looks a pretty good projection for Holmgren. But I wouldn't be surprised to see Chet keep up with Camby as a rebounder. Chet got 14.7 rbs/40 in his rookie (only) NCAA season; Camby got 11.7, 11.0 and 10.7 in his 3 season in the NCAA.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#136 » by Dat2U » Fri Jun 3, 2022 11:45 am

Chet is far and away the best prospect when you look at the combination of skill, length, motor & b-ball awareness. Getting stuck on him being built like twig sounds like the same nonsense folks had for Durant when he was coming out.

Chet is truly a two way prospect. Banchero has impressive skill and foot speed but doesn't have the motor or defensive instincts. Jabari is more Al Horford than a big that is going to ISO and get a bucket as he is very jump shot dependent.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#137 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Jun 3, 2022 2:55 pm

Dat2U wrote:Chet is far and away the best prospect when you look at the combination of skill, length, motor & b-ball awareness. Getting stuck on him being built like twig sounds like the same nonsense folks had for Durant when he was coming out.

Chet is truly a two way prospect. Banchero has impressive skill and foot speed but doesn't have the motor or defensive instincts. Jabari is more Al Horford than a big that is going to ISO and get a bucket as he is very jump shot dependent.


Why can't Jabari be LaMarcus Aldridge offensively?
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#138 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 3, 2022 3:20 pm

Jabari is Rashard Lewis. He is much more 3PT oriented than LMA or Al - both of whom were CF where Jabari is a pure F.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#139 » by Dat2U » Fri Jun 3, 2022 4:29 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Chet is far and away the best prospect when you look at the combination of skill, length, motor & b-ball awareness. Getting stuck on him being built like twig sounds like the same nonsense folks had for Durant when he was coming out.

Chet is truly a two way prospect. Banchero has impressive skill and foot speed but doesn't have the motor or defensive instincts. Jabari is more Al Horford than a big that is going to ISO and get a bucket as he is very jump shot dependent.


Why can't Jabari be LaMarcus Aldridge offensively?


I think this significantly understates the level of Aldridge's skill. Aldridge was an excellent mid range shooter but he could do so much more earlier in his career in the post.
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Re: Chet Holmgren - Gonzaga 

Post#140 » by SelfishPlayer » Fri Jun 3, 2022 5:33 pm

Dat2U wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Chet is far and away the best prospect when you look at the combination of skill, length, motor & b-ball awareness. Getting stuck on him being built like twig sounds like the same nonsense folks had for Durant when he was coming out.

Chet is truly a two way prospect. Banchero has impressive skill and foot speed but doesn't have the motor or defensive instincts. Jabari is more Al Horford than a big that is going to ISO and get a bucket as he is very jump shot dependent.


Why can't Jabari be LaMarcus Aldridge offensively?


I think this significantly understates the level of Aldridge's skill. Aldridge was an excellent mid range shooter but he could do so much more earlier in his career in the post.


What?Aldridge was still in high school when he was 18 while Jabari Smith just turned 19 last month after working his way into #1 overall pick conversation. Aldridge left college after two seasons. Jabari is a much better shooter from every area of the floor at an earlier age.
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