Who's your pick? (Poll included)

[vic]

For Championship reasons, I definitely do the trade for Chet. I'm on record saying hes a generational player, similar to Mobley. Cade + Chet is worth it all. Their combination of length, IQ & Toughness is Detroit basketball.

For Championship reasons, I'm taking Sharpe too. He just projects as a generational 2 guard. He has the strength length and athleticism of the top 2s in history. His shotmaking ability at a young age is not talked about enough. A lot of his makes don't hit the rim. The space that his shot creates for him will allow him to catch up on his other skills. Cade + Shaede would be a wing combo that would be extremely hard to handle, challenging Tatum & Brown.

For entertainment reasons, with slight chances of a championship, I pick Ivey. His offense alone is worth the price of admission and could make the team unguardable. If he can put on some muscle and become a defensive pesk theres a chance the Pistons could contend. At worst he can be a microwave Vinnie Johnson championship level 6th man.

For Detroit basketball reasons, I'm taking Mathurin. Not as long as Sharpe but I love his intensity and his shotmaking. Reminds me of KCP who was one of my favorite two-way Pistons. He has more upside than KCP so I think he can be a strong contributor on a Contending team.

I like Dyson Daniels too but I think he duplicates too much of both Cade and Killian. He can make the team a championship contender just as much as Mathurin can, but the style of the team would be more of a Spurs style. I think the Pistons need another playmaker finisher and shooter. Dyson could be that guy too! I'm good with him, but not as much as the others.

[buzzkilloton]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

[edmunder_prc]

Looks like a lot of interesting long, fast wings are available.

8 - NO, 10 - WAS, 12 - OKC, 13 & 15 - CHA.

Has to be some way to get more picks and try to get people like Dyson, Mathurin, Sharpe, Eason.

I wonder if something like Bey for 13 & 15 would even be on the table. Bey is a good player, but a tweener guy who is has average to slightly below average defense for his natural position as a SF, but he is a real shooter.

Mathurin at 5.

Trade Bey and something more like Diallo for 13 & 15.

Get Eason and Mark Williams?

Hornets might prefer Bey and Diallo to add to their core and go for a top 4 seed in the East.

Just spit balling haha

[MotownMadness]

Looks like a lot of interesting long, fast wings are available.

8 - NO, 10 - WAS, 12 - OKC, 13 & 15 - CHA.

Has to be some way to get more picks and try to get people like Dyson, Mathurin, Sharpe, Eason.

I wonder if something like Bey for 13 & 15 would even be on the table. Bey is a good player, but a tweener guy who is has average to slightly below average defense for his natural position as a SF, but he is a real shooter.

Mathurin at 5.

Trade Bey and something more like Diallo for 13 & 15.

Get Eason and Mark Williams?

Hornets might prefer Bey and Diallo to add to their core and go for a top 4 seed in the East.

Just spit balling haha

Don't know about that, Bey could take off anytime now just by getting more efficient. He's certainly not scared as a scorer.

[bjones521]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

This article was reinforcement for Sharpe. I am 100% out on Sharpe. We know nothing about him. He played well against HS kids.Id rather take anyone over him.

[Jsindto]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

I too saw his low FT %, but what makes it difficult to actually use as a predictor of 3 pt shooting is that it was 2 years ago as a junior in HS. If he shot that this past season, I'd be more inclined to be worried. But for all we know he now shoots 75%.

[The Moose]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

Yep, Dean has a pretty good track record
Dyson or Eason would be my choice at 5, but it seems Eason isn’t really on our radar. And I’ve read some rumours that teams are very concerned about Easons bball iq and that he could drop to the 20’s. So assuming the Kings don’t take Dyson , I want him at 5. He would be my choice of the guards/wings. Mathurin/Ivey/Griffin/Sharpe are all pretty close to me.

If we trade Grant for picks I would want Eason or Sochan

[Pharaoh]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

Yep, Dean has a pretty good track record
Dyson or Eason would be my choice at 5, but it seems Eason isn’t really on our radar. And I’ve read some rumours that teams are very concerned about Easons bball iq and that he could drop to the 20’s. So assuming the Kings don’t take Dyson , I want him at 5. He would be my choice of the guards/wings. Mathurin/Ivey/Griffin/Sharpe are all pretty close to me.

If we trade Grant for picks I would want Eason or Sochan

If memory serves you've been high on Eason from the start.

Maybe he falls far enough that we can trade into the first round to get himike we did with Bey & Stewart?

From what I've seen Eason has a high motor and should contribute immediately as a defender.

If we were to land him I'm less likely to sign a big man in free agency cause I'd just use Bags as the back up 5 with Eason hopefully covering for some of his defensive issues:

I'm on the Daniels train - think he's a great fit with Cade and it would take the pressure off Bey to become a secondary playmaker.

Cade - Daniels - Bey - Grant - Stewart

Hayes, Diallo, Livers, Eason & Bags would be a capable bench with room to grow

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[The Moose]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

Yep, Dean has a pretty good track record
Dyson or Eason would be my choice at 5, but it seems Eason isn’t really on our radar. And I’ve read some rumours that teams are very concerned about Easons bball iq and that he could drop to the 20’s. So assuming the Kings don’t take Dyson , I want him at 5. He would be my choice of the guards/wings. Mathurin/Ivey/Griffin/Sharpe are all pretty close to me.

If we trade Grant for picks I would want Eason or Sochan

If memory serves you've been high on Eason from the start.

Maybe he falls far enough that we can trade into the first round to get himike we did with Bey & Stewart?

From what I've seen Eason has a high motor and should contribute immediately as a defender.

If we were to land him I'm less likely to sign a big man in free agency cause I'd just use Bags as the back up 5 with Eason hopefully covering for some of his defensive issues:

I'm on the Daniels train - think he's a great fit with Cade and it would take the pressure off Bey to become a secondary playmaker.

Cade - Daniels - Bey - Grant - Stewart

Hayes, Diallo, Livers, Eason & Bags would be a capable bench with room to grow

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Yeah I’ve had Eason as a top 7-10 guy since January, I’m a big fan. There are some legitimate warts , like the ones mentioned in that link. Age, awareness, right hand dominance. That being said, put him in the right situation with the right situation and I think he’ll absolutely thrive.

If he really does end up going in the 20’s that would be a massive steal and I would hope Weaver looks into it. He has such a strong stat profile as a wing prospect in the ncaa , I find it hard to believe he won’t be at minimum a good role player.

Just as one point of reference, I believe Eason finished 5th in Kevin Peltons stat projection rankings. Pelton works for ESPN, so I can track back how his draft stat model has faired quite easily.
I think his model does a really good job of identifying guys who are underrated. For example Fred Van Vleet finished 3rd in his stat rankings in the year he was undrafted. There are quite a few cases like this.

Anyway, it’s pretty rare for a ncaa wing to make the top 5, just because the ncaa game is so centered around bigs and guards.
The only ncaa wings/forwards to make the list in the last 15 years are

Franz Wagner - pick 8
Devin Vassell - pick 11
Zion Williamson - pick 1
Chuma Okeke - pick 16
Mikal Bridges - pick 10
MPJ - pick 14
Jonathan Isaac - pick 6
Otto Porter - pick 3
Jae Crowder- pick 34
Draymond Green - pick 35
Derrick Williams - pick 2
Gordon Hayward - pick 9
Michael Beasley - pick 2
Kevin Durant- pick 1
Blake Griffin - pick 1
Paul Millsap - pick 47
Ryan Anderson - pick 21

The guys who went outside the lotto actually have a pretty remarkable hit rate on that list. Usually when there is a huge discrepancy between someone’s ESPN big board rank and their ncaa stat projection , I think there is a good chance at getting a steal

Even if Eason doesn’t hit his ceiling, he still should be an impactful, hyper energy guy on both sides who’s really strong in transition and can hit catch and shoot 3’s.

I’ve seen some others compare him to a young Gerald Wallace and I quite like the comp, with Eason being the better shooter.

[buzzkilloton]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

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Yep, Dean has a pretty good track record
Dyson or Eason would be my choice at 5, but it seems Eason isn’t really on our radar. And I’ve read some rumours that teams are very concerned about Easons bball iq and that he could drop to the 20’s. So assuming the Kings don’t take Dyson , I want him at 5. He would be my choice of the guards/wings. Mathurin/Ivey/Griffin/Sharpe are all pretty close to me.

If we trade Grant for picks I would want Eason or Sochan

Figuring the 3pt improvement rumors are true I dont see how we pass up Daniels if hes there. If he has that shot he checks alot of boxes. He may not pass the Kings in that case.

I still love the idea of what Sharpe can be but we need more intel. For now I think I will slide him behind Daniels and Ivey and see what develops.

Alot of interesting guys if we can get a second pick. Even if it was like 15-20 we can get a impact player.

[Jsindto]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

Yep, Dean has a pretty good track record
Dyson or Eason would be my choice at 5, but it seems Eason isn’t really on our radar. And I’ve read some rumours that teams are very concerned about Easons bball iq and that he could drop to the 20’s. So assuming the Kings don’t take Dyson , I want him at 5. He would be my choice of the guards/wings. Mathurin/Ivey/Griffin/Sharpe are all pretty close to me.

If we trade Grant for picks I would want Eason or Sochan

If memory serves you've been high on Eason from the start.

Maybe he falls far enough that we can trade into the first round to get himike we did with Bey & Stewart?

From what I've seen Eason has a high motor and should contribute immediately as a defender.

If we were to land him I'm less likely to sign a big man in free agency cause I'd just use Bags as the back up 5 with Eason hopefully covering for some of his defensive issues:

I'm on the Daniels train - think he's a great fit with Cade and it would take the pressure off Bey to become a secondary playmaker.

Cade - Daniels - Bey - Grant - Stewart

Hayes, Diallo, Livers, Eason & Bags would be a capable bench with room to grow

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"I'm on the Daniels train - think he's a great fit with Cade and it would take the pressure off Bey to become a secondary playmaker"

I am comfortable taking him as well, but you have to feel comfortable with his 3 point shot actually being improved (end of G League and workouts sounds like it, but need to be sure). Otherwise he's basically a bigger Killian who can't play that well with Cade.

I also don't think he's a great athlete, but if he was with everything else, he'd be in the top 3 discussion. So you can't get everything. But the 3 has to be real, or it's a missed pick.

[Jsindto]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

.

Yep, Dean has a pretty good track record
Dyson or Eason would be my choice at 5, but it seems Eason isn’t really on our radar. And I’ve read some rumours that teams are very concerned about Easons bball iq and that he could drop to the 20’s. So assuming the Kings don’t take Dyson , I want him at 5. He would be my choice of the guards/wings. Mathurin/Ivey/Griffin/Sharpe are all pretty close to me.

If we trade Grant for picks I would want Eason or Sochan

Figuring the 3pt improvement rumors are true I dont see how we pass up Daniels if hes there. If he has that shot he checks alot of boxes. He may not pass the Kings in that case.

I still love the idea of what Sharpe can be but we need more intel. For now I think I will slide him behind Daniels and Ivey and see what develops.

Alot of interesting guys if we can get a second pick. Even if it was like 15-20 we can get a impact player.

I'm in agreement here. I actually was originally fine with Murray, but I'm now much more on the "get Ivey/Sharpe/Mathurin/Griffin/Daniels" train. And if Grant for Ayton isn't possible, I'd try to get 2 of those guys. Just get a couple of potentially good to great wings.

[Rip32]

Ivey is Russell Westbrook without the play making

[MotownMadness]

Ivey is Russell Westbrook without the play making

Yeah I dont see that, Westbrook just hurts you cause of his low IQ and high bad shot selection.

[CptCrunch]

https://deanondraft.com/2022/05/28/2022-draft-tier-2-sorting-through-the-best-non-top-3-prospects/

Really good read for draft fans. I know Dean makes some clickbait takes like not liking Cade but overall he does really good work and does have a trackrecord of making some great calls no one else is making.

New article talking about the prospects after the big 3. Dean normally is off at least one of the top guys but he couldnt even get off the big 3 this season.

Daniels up to 4 on Deans board. He mentions a upside comparison to Pippen(he says not likely but its possible). Also seems to be into Sochan a guy who Sam V and Matt Penny say is rising right now with Daniels on yesterdays pod and sees him at 5.

He makes a good point on Sharpes free throw % that nobody else has brought up to me. That is really concerning to me.

He compared Murrays statistics to Kuzma and Kaminsky. Sees him as a solid 3nD wing(i swear someone told me yesterday hes not 3nd) but sees him as more of a end a lotto guy.

Sounds like he likes Mathurin and Sharpe over Ivey. Likely Mathurin over both.

Dean's yearly hit piece is out and this year he has singled out Ivey. No one can be right 100%, but Dean is the most right really out of anyone on the internet publicly putting their names on hit pieces.

Most analyst are just hive minding bits of pieces from the media, all content from ESPN/Ringer/etc included.