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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
111
51%
Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
1
0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#821 » by bigdogdylan5 » Sat May 28, 2022 8:23 pm

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bigdogdylan5 wrote:I feel like an incredibly easy indicator of how you are wired from a motor and drive stand point is defense ability. It is not hard to be an above average defender it just takes work and effort. Banchero may be talented but i think the motor and defensive ability of Jabari and Chet give an indication that they will get every last bit of talent out of themselves. Also I kept hearing we need to get better shooting for years and we need to stop taking players and trying to develop them to shooters but now we need to take the worst shooter of the three? I know we need creation but I think Banchero creation is not better than Franz he is just more athletic.


We had shooters, what we lacked was elite ball handlers and shot creators.
Fournier was good shooter, Augustine was good, Vucevic became good, Ross was good, Isaac and Gordon were sligthly below average. There was no one who could create 1vs1 late in the game, no one to break half court defense.
Banchero and Franz should compliment each other and become next great wing/forward duo after Brown/ Tatum. Having two of those guys would be huge, especially that Banchero is better at iso and Wagner at pick and roll.
We can adres shooting in free agency and trades after we draft our creator.

Not sure I see the Tatum and Banchero comparison at all. Are we sure his ceiling is not just Julius Randle with better passing? Also I am extremely skeptical of Banchero willingness to be in a small market. I am not trying to take him down and trash him I think he would be a decent choice and I get the need for another play maker but I just feel more comfortable with Jabari and Chet. I think his flaws are being a little over looked. The reality is they all have flaws so you need to determine which one of these three has the higher likelihood of improving those swing skills.
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I am high on Markelle Fultz. Yes I understand he is not perfect and needs to shoot more and better and turn the ball over less. I would really like to see him play one more year… and I did and he sucks time to move on.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#822 » by tiderulz » Sat May 28, 2022 8:57 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:I feel like an incredibly easy indicator of how you are wired from a motor and drive stand point is defense ability. It is not hard to be an above average defender it just takes work and effort. Banchero may be talented but i think the motor and defensive ability of Jabari and Chet give an indication that they will get every last bit of talent out of themselves. Also I kept hearing we need to get better shooting for years and we need to stop taking players and trying to develop them to shooters but now we need to take the worst shooter of the three? I know we need creation but I think Banchero creation is not better than Franz he is just more athletic.


We had shooters, what we lacked was elite ball handlers and shot creators.
Fournier was good shooter, Augustine was good, Vucevic became good, Ross was good, Isaac and Gordon were sligthly below average. There was no one who could create 1vs1 late in the game, no one to break half court defense.
Banchero and Franz should compliment each other and become next great wing/forward duo after Brown/ Tatum. Having two of those guys would be huge, especially that Banchero is better at iso and Wagner at pick and roll.
We can adres shooting in free agency and trades after we draft our creator.

Not sure I see the Tatum and Banchero comparison at all. Are we sure his ceiling is not just Julius Randle with better passing? Also I am extremely skeptical of Banchero willingness to be in a small market. I am not trying to take him down and trash him I think he would be a decent choice and I get the need for another play maker but I just feel more comfortable with Jabari and Chet. I think his flaws are being a little over looked. The reality is they all have flaws so you need to determine which one of these three has the higher likelihood of improving those swing skills.

why do you think Chet or Jabari would be okay in a small market?
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#823 » by VFX » Sat May 28, 2022 9:40 pm

Best Fit for Orlando:
#1 - Paolo - 2018-2019 Detroit Blake Griffin
#2 - Jabari - Rashard Lewis with defense
#3 - Chet - Porzingis +Defense pre ACL tear

Hate to say it because I'm not a fan of Paolo, but he's probably the best "fit" of the three top guys.

Again, this is best fit. The FO is not going to draft for fit.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#824 » by bigdogdylan5 » Sat May 28, 2022 11:23 pm

tiderulz wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
We had shooters, what we lacked was elite ball handlers and shot creators.
Fournier was good shooter, Augustine was good, Vucevic became good, Ross was good, Isaac and Gordon were sligthly below average. There was no one who could create 1vs1 late in the game, no one to break half court defense.
Banchero and Franz should compliment each other and become next great wing/forward duo after Brown/ Tatum. Having two of those guys would be huge, especially that Banchero is better at iso and Wagner at pick and roll.
We can adres shooting in free agency and trades after we draft our creator.

Not sure I see the Tatum and Banchero comparison at all. Are we sure his ceiling is not just Julius Randle with better passing? Also I am extremely skeptical of Banchero willingness to be in a small market. I am not trying to take him down and trash him I think he would be a decent choice and I get the need for another play maker but I just feel more comfortable with Jabari and Chet. I think his flaws are being a little over looked. The reality is they all have flaws so you need to determine which one of these three has the higher likelihood of improving those swing skills.

why do you think Chet or Jabari would be okay in a small market?

Gut feeling. Jabari chose Auburn to be closer to home in the south so I think Orlando would be a fit there. He had options to go to higher profile schools. For Chet I think Suggs being here helps and I think personality wise they are very similar. I think it is 100% a question you need to ask and try and deduce if they would want to build a contender in small market. It’s not enough to find a star you need to find a Giannis or Jokic someone who will want to build a contender and not crave the attention. More on Chet and Banchero they both are from relatively the same area one chose Duke the other Gonzaga I think that’s says what they value not saying it is wrong for Banchero to want the attention of being at Duke but it’s a concern especially with our history
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I am high on Markelle Fultz. Yes I understand he is not perfect and needs to shoot more and better and turn the ball over less. I would really like to see him play one more year… and I did and he sucks time to move on.
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Post#825 » by tiderulz » Sat May 28, 2022 11:31 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:Not sure I see the Tatum and Banchero comparison at all. Are we sure his ceiling is not just Julius Randle with better passing? Also I am extremely skeptical of Banchero willingness to be in a small market. I am not trying to take him down and trash him I think he would be a decent choice and I get the need for another play maker but I just feel more comfortable with Jabari and Chet. I think his flaws are being a little over looked. The reality is they all have flaws so you need to determine which one of these three has the higher likelihood of improving those swing skills.

why do you think Chet or Jabari would be okay in a small market?

Gut feeling. Jabari chose Auburn to be closer to home in the south so I think Orlando would be a fit there. He had options to go to higher profile schools. For Chet I think Suggs being here helps and I think personality wise they are very similar. I think it is 100% a question you need to ask and try and deduce if they would want to build a contender in small market. It’s not enough to find a star you need to find a Giannis or Jokic someone who will want to build a contender and not crave the attention

Jabari didnt choose Auburn to be close to home. he liked their play style
"I think they’re a very good defensive team, so I think that will bring out the defensive part of my game that people don’t really see. I feel like they always play with long active wings and forwards so I think that will be a good fit for me. They also just talk about how I would fit in their play style."


And i disagree about Chet and Suggs being similar in personality. Chet already said, he is the best player in the NBA once he is drafted. no humility there at all. I would even say Chet may be more someone that isnt okay in a small market.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#826 » by basketballRob » Sat May 28, 2022 11:41 pm

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Post#827 » by 89Magicfan » Sun May 29, 2022 12:15 am

Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on? That’s the guy you pick.
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Post#828 » by nicnac215 » Sun May 29, 2022 1:12 am

89Magicfan wrote:Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on? That’s the guy you pick.

That’s why I want Paolo Banchero.
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Post#829 » by Nyce_1 » Sun May 29, 2022 2:36 am

89Magicfan wrote:Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on? That’s the guy you pick.
In 5 years....Jabari. I like Chet's game and intangibles more but I think Jabari can be THAT guy in 5 yrs.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#830 » by zaymon » Sun May 29, 2022 4:25 am

bigdogdylan5 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
bigdogdylan5 wrote:I feel like an incredibly easy indicator of how you are wired from a motor and drive stand point is defense ability. It is not hard to be an above average defender it just takes work and effort. Banchero may be talented but i think the motor and defensive ability of Jabari and Chet give an indication that they will get every last bit of talent out of themselves. Also I kept hearing we need to get better shooting for years and we need to stop taking players and trying to develop them to shooters but now we need to take the worst shooter of the three? I know we need creation but I think Banchero creation is not better than Franz he is just more athletic.


We had shooters, what we lacked was elite ball handlers and shot creators.
Fournier was good shooter, Augustine was good, Vucevic became good, Ross was good, Isaac and Gordon were sligthly below average. There was no one who could create 1vs1 late in the game, no one to break half court defense.
Banchero and Franz should compliment each other and become next great wing/forward duo after Brown/ Tatum. Having two of those guys would be huge, especially that Banchero is better at iso and Wagner at pick and roll.
We can adres shooting in free agency and trades after we draft our creator.

Not sure I see the Tatum and Banchero comparison at all. Are we sure his ceiling is not just Julius Randle with better passing? Also I am extremely skeptical of Banchero willingness to be in a small market. I am not trying to take him down and trash him I think he would be a decent choice and I get the need for another play maker but I just feel more comfortable with Jabari and Chet. I think his flaws are being a little over looked. The reality is they all have flaws so you need to determine which one of these three has the higher likelihood of improving those swing skills.


Julius Randle with good decision making is not Julius Randle :) Banchero is taller and longer, has much better indicators of his athletecism (0.5stl+0.8blk vs 1.1st+0.9blk), better shooting indicators, better post up and iso numbers in college.
I dont feel comfortable with Smith and Holmgren at all becouse i dont see successfull archetypes in the playoffs.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#831 » by Skin » Sun May 29, 2022 7:58 am

89Magicfan wrote:Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on? That’s the guy you pick.

Easy. Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe. But the Magic aren't brave enough to go against the draft sheep talking heads.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#832 » by basketballRob » Sun May 29, 2022 8:39 am

After we made a promise to Franz last season we later found out that he was working out with Harrison Barnes the whole time in California.

Do you think it's possible that we could've already gave Smith a promise and just told him to go to the same place as Franz did and get ready for summer league?

Another possibility is that we're going to trade Smith to Sacramento for Sharpe.

It also could be fake because it looks like the same photo Jabari posted last week from LAX.

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Post#833 » by basketballRob » Sun May 29, 2022 8:45 am

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Post#834 » by OrlandoNed » Sun May 29, 2022 9:19 am

basketballRob wrote:
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Where are they getting these numbers from?
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Post#835 » by basketballRob » Sun May 29, 2022 9:26 am

OrlandoNed wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
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Where are they getting these numbers from?
I don't know, they always post sports numbers.

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Post#836 » by Ralof » Sun May 29, 2022 9:44 am

89Magicfan wrote:Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on?.


no one.

99,99% sure will be someone in middle-late first round i do not know about and no one would select in top5 right now.
as for giannis/gobert draft.

imho magic fans should realize that"it is what it is"and this is a doomed draft,with probably no hof in top 5.

but still,we can get a good player to add to another good player and other complementary young pieces.

we should just fucus on what we can control,and stop claiming everytime that player X"is not what you want from a number one pic"because simply,there is not a davis,a towns,a cade,ecc.in this draft
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Post#837 » by basketballRob » Sun May 29, 2022 9:56 am

Looks like Chet's agent is Bill Duffy. He also represents Doncic, Vucevic, Lavine, and Ayton.

This is probably how Chet got the photo op with the Mavs a couple of days ago.

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Post#838 » by T-Cat » Sun May 29, 2022 11:03 am

Skin wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on? That’s the guy you pick.

Easy. Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe. But the Magic aren't brave enough to go against the draft sheep talking heads.


Exactly! We need a player could potentially make us must watch TV, ala Ja Morant in Memphis!

Sharpe and or Ivey would do that!
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Post#839 » by tiderulz » Sun May 29, 2022 12:38 pm

T-Cat wrote:
Skin wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on? That’s the guy you pick.

Easy. Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe. But the Magic aren't brave enough to go against the draft sheep talking heads.


Exactly! We need a player could potentially make us must watch TV, ala Ja Morant in Memphis!

Sharpe and or Ivey would do that!

still not sold on Sharpe. If he was truly that guy, he wouldnt have ducked out of playing at Kentucky. that he had the mindset that he was risking draft position by playing because he could play badly scares me off him
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Post#840 » by 89Magicfan » Sun May 29, 2022 12:40 pm

Skin wrote:
89Magicfan wrote:Forget fit. Forget position. 5 years from now, who’s the one guy you see, if fully developed, will be the guy you wish you never passed on? That’s the guy you pick.

Easy. Jaden Ivey and Shaedon Sharpe. But the Magic aren't brave enough to go against the draft sheep talking heads.



That what I’m thinking.

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