Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 1.0

[the_process]

You guys beat me to it. This kept rattling around my head the entire 4th quarter.

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It really is unfathomable how bad the Sixers ****** up over and over again after Hinkie got blackballed.

It makes no sense to follow this team if you think about it too much.

Here's the other thing: How do you think Jo feels watching his guy carry a mediocre Heat roster to possibly two Finals in three years? It's gotta eat at him if he really wants to win titles and not just MVP's.

Jimmy was just trolling.

We chose Ben over Jimmy. Ben and Brett wont allow this much greenlight for Jimmy to operate.

In reality, the Sixers chose the group of Brett, Ben, and Tobias over Jimmy. Which made some sense at the time, but retroactively was a terrible decision.

[mjkvol]

It really is unfathomable how bad the Sixers ****** up over and over again after Hinkie got blackballed.

It makes no sense to follow this team if you think about it too much.

Here's the other thing: How do you think Jo feels watching his guy carry a mediocre Heat roster to possibly two Finals in three years? It's gotta eat at him if he really wants to win titles and not just MVP's.

Jimmy was just trolling.

We chose Ben over Jimmy. Ben and Brett wont allow this much greenlight for Jimmy to operate.

In reality, the Sixers chose the group of Brett, Ben, and Tobias over Jimmy. Which made some sense at the time, but retroactively was a terrible decision.

I'll give you Ben, as he was still considered a building block at that point by most people. I remember badly wanting Brown out and being stunned at the Tobias contract, seeing it as a desperate saving face move by Brand.

I recall seeing Jimmy leaving as a fait accompli given the rift between him and Brown. I never felt there was a real chance of him staying, and just hoped for a half decent return, which at the time it seemed they got. NOT.

[ProcessDoctor]

It really is unfathomable how bad the Sixers ****** up over and over again after Hinkie got blackballed.

It makes no sense to follow this team if you think about it too much.

Here's the other thing: How do you think Jo feels watching his guy carry a mediocre Heat roster to possibly two Finals in three years? It's gotta eat at him if he really wants to win titles and not just MVP's.

Jimmy was just trolling.

We chose Ben over Jimmy. Ben and Brett wont allow this much greenlight for Jimmy to operate.

In reality, the Sixers chose the group of Brett, Ben, and Tobias over Jimmy. Which made some sense at the time, but retroactively was a terrible decision.

Idk man it didn’t make much sense then either. Jimmy was our best player during the playoffs and the FO actually thought we could replace his talents with Josh Richardson. It was terrible then and even more terrible now.

[the_process]

Jimmy was just trolling.

We chose Ben over Jimmy. Ben and Brett wont allow this much greenlight for Jimmy to operate.

In reality, the Sixers chose the group of Brett, Ben, and Tobias over Jimmy. Which made some sense at the time, but retroactively was a terrible decision.

I'll give you Ben, as he was still considered a building block at that point by most people. I remember badly wanting Brown out and being stunned at the Tobias contract, seeing it as a desperate saving face move by Brand.

I recall seeing Jimmy leaving as a fait accompli given the rift between him and Brown. I never felt there was a real chance of him staying, and just hoped for a half decent return, which at the time it seemed they got. NOT.

Jimmy never got along with Brett. He wanted to be the primary ballhandler instead of Ben. And he felt like Tobias required too many touches, although I imagine Tobias is the one guy who could've figured a way to coexist with Jimmy and Jo.

But the Sixers weren't firing Brett off that playoff run, and Ben was still thought of as a future All NBA guy (which was ironically true).

[FireMorey]

Yeah, there's a lot of hindsight about Butler. Now, I think when people were fine with Butler leaving at the time, they were not being sincere. They were in denial and trying to talk themselves into it, because admitting you just let your best perimeter player since Iverson go is a tough pill to swallow. But I saw a lot of Sixers fans at the time act like the Sixers with Horford would be some all-time great defense. Remember the "Giannis stopper!" takes about Horford? Or "Congrats on going to Miami, loser! You'll never win anything! He causes problems wherever he goes!"

The lesson for the fans is never talk yourself into things you don't actually believe. All it will do in the long run is make you even angrier when you can no longer deny it and it's staring you right in the face.

It will go down as one of the worst and dumbest moves in Sixers history and I said it the day it happened.

[76ciology]

Lesson for fans is when someone sells you “going against the grain”, it’s very likely a ponzi scheme.

Trend is your friend.

[76ciology]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

[Negrodamus]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

Are you still a big fan of Tobi?

[stormi]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

What does Bam shoot from 3?

[sixers4real]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

What does Bam shoot from 3?

As much as I like your posts, Stormi, that question doesn’t really make sense to me.

Yeah, Bam does not shoot threes, but you have to understand that Sixers would have three players that are not high volume theee point shooters. Embiid, Butler, Simmons.

While the Heat have only two. Bam and Butler.
Its very hard to run elite offense around Simmons, Butler and Embiid.

I was the one who argued with LloydFree about letting Butler go, I was furious. I was in the camp of trade Simmons early.

[stormi]

As much as I like your posts, Stormi, that question doesn’t really make sense to me.

Yeah, Bam does not shoot threes, but you have to understand that Sixers would have three players that are not high volume theee point shooters. Embiid, Butler, Simmons.
While the Heat have only two. Bam and Butler.
Its very hard to run elite offense around Simmons, Butler and Embiid.

I was the one who argued with LloydFree about letting Butler go, I was furious. I was in the camp of trade Simmons early.

The idea that you couldn't build a successful offense around Embiid/Simmons/Butler is just statistically fallacious - but if we're simplifying the game down to shoot 3 + spacing then you can't make the argument that Butler plays in a Giannis type system. He makes it work playing big minutes around a bundle of non-spacers because he is genuinely great.

The Heat have ran a starting 5 man unit these playoffs of: Strus/Butler/Tucker/Adebayo and then Lowry or Vincent depending on who's healthy.

FTR, Bam Adebayo does not look at the rim at all and has no perimeter skill whatsoever and Butler is Butler.

PJ Tucker these playoffs is shooting 5.1 threes per 100 (not good). Joel Embiid's 3 career playoff frequency? 5.2 threes per 100.

There is no drop off in terms of volume perimeter shooting from 3 of the 5 starters on either team and those guys contribute in other ways. What these Heat did is they surrounded 3 of their gunshy starters with bombers Lowry/Robinson/Oladipo/Herro/Vincent/Strus who all shoot 8 or more three's per 100.

The only 76er to play regular minutes in those playoffs to hit the 8.0 three's /100 mark? JJ Redick and Mike Scott. We just lacked the horses and had too many non-specialists / non-shooters / non-defenders surrounding a core three that still nearly took down the champions.

[stormi]

2019 76ers vs Raptors:

Players to play over 100 minutes in that series: Harris, Butler, Simmons, Embiid, Redick, Ennis.

ORTG:
1) Butler - 118,
2) Simmons - 112,
3/4) Redick/Ennis - 111
5) Embiid - 96
6) Harris - 95

DRTG:

1) Embiid - 104
2) Simmons - 105
3) Harris - 106
4) Butler - 108
5) Ennis - 110
6) Redick - 113

ORTG - DRTG:

1) Butler - +10
2) Simmons - +7
3) Ennis - +1
4) Redick - -2
5) Embiid - -8
6) Harris - -11

I'm willing to forgive Embiid for that series just because a) he wasn't the same monster he is today. Back then he just was not the same caliber of offensive threat and he was still very raw in terms of playing against traps and heavy presses -- he was also playing through gastroenteritis and the excruciating pain that felt of a residual blow torch on his internal organs.

For the other guys, Butler took over lead guard and played well enough to win the series. He could have shot the 3 better, but he was pretty much our only sources of offensive creation so it's hard to point the finger. Ben could have scored more, but he settled into that slasher/defender/rebounder glue guy role and found moderate success. Had a huge game 6 in Philadelphia to extend the series.

Ennis was fine from the POV of a roleplayer. Redick was okay too for his standards, but we didn't have the depth the current Heat do to be able to bench a defensive sieve like they can Duncan Robinson for other more athletic options like Oladipo.

Chance at home to go up 3-1 in that series from a guy we asked to just shoot 3's and didn't expect any defense out of because he's a negative athlete?:

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[Embiid P]

There were so many posters here who actively vouched for keeping Tobias over Jimmy though. “Younger” and “better fit” they said. It’s almost like they didn’t watch Jimmy keep us in games down the stretch during the playoffs.

That being said, Jimmy’s gone. We need to focus on acquiring another player with that mentality. He’s in Utah for the taking.

Nah. We already have a player of his mentality on our roster. He currently comes much cheaper than Butler or Mitchell. Besides, what has Mitchell proven thus far in the playoffs?

[76ciology]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

Are you still a big fan of Tobi?

Im not a big fan of tobi. I just dont think he is as bad as people say he is.

Im a sixers fan first. I dont even care if we trade Embiid.

Im not gonna let my frustrations on tobi or his image of bad contract ruin the obvious poor fit of Ben and Jimmy.

Again, let me know if there are any backcourt that has run or can run a good offense with backcourt of Jimmy and Ben.

Having one poor shooter alone is already bad. Two, it’s impossible

[76ciology]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

What does Bam shoot from 3?

So we let Ben play bam’s role and trade embiid? Yeah sure if we can get an equal return for Embiid. Maybe Dame, CJ and Roco with Ben and Jimmy?

You just can’t have Ben, Embiid and Jimmy trio. The only reason why Jimmy is having all these praise is because he is having a hot shooting streak that isnt sustainable

[sixers4real]

As much as I like your posts, Stormi, that question doesn’t really make sense to me.

Yeah, Bam does not shoot threes, but you have to understand that Sixers would have three players that are not high volume theee point shooters. Embiid, Butler, Simmons.
While the Heat have only two. Bam and Butler.
Its very hard to run elite offense around Simmons, Butler and Embiid.

I was the one who argued with LloydFree about letting Butler go, I was furious. I was in the camp of trade Simmons early.

The idea that you couldn't build a successful offense around Embiid/Simmons/Butler is just statistically fallacious - but if we're simplifying the game down to shoot 3 + spacing then you can't make the argument that Butler plays in a Giannis type system. He makes it work playing big minutes around a bundle of non-spacers because he is genuinely great.

The Heat have ran a starting 5 man unit these playoffs of: Strus/Butler/Tucker/Adebayo and then Lowry or Vincent depending on who's healthy.

FTR, Bam Adebayo does not look at the rim at all and has no perimeter skill whatsoever and Butler is Butler.

PJ Tucker these playoffs is shooting 5.1 threes per 100 (not good). Joel Embiid's 3 career playoff frequency? 5.2 threes per 100.

There is no drop off in terms of volume perimeter shooting from 3 of the 5 starters on either team and those guys contribute in other ways. What these Heat did is they surrounded 3 of their gunshy starters with bombers Lowry/Robinson/Oladipo/Herro/Vincent/Strus who all shoot 8 or more three's per 100.

The only 76er to play regular minutes in those playoffs to hit the 8.0 three's /100 mark? JJ Redick and Mike Scott. We just lacked the horses and had too many non-specialists / non-shooters / non-defenders surrounding a core three that still nearly took down the champions.

So you’re saying a Butler, Embiid, Simmons core being payed over $100M can be an elite offensive team?

[Negrodamus]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

Are you still a big fan of Tobi?

Im not a big fan of tobi. I just dont think he is as bad as people say he is.

Im a sixers fan first. I dont even care if we trade Embiid.

Im not gonna let my frustrations on tobi or his image of bad contract ruin the obvious poor fit of Ben and Jimmy.

Again, let me know if there are any backcourt that has run or can run a good offense with backcourt of Jimmy and Ben.

Having one poor shooter alone is already bad. Two, it’s impossible

I'm just being a troll. I was looking at the thread when we traded for Tobias and you were defending him pretty vociferously against the mixed response crowd. Nothing wrong with that, just wanted to be a little annoying this weekend.

[Kobblehead]

What Jimmy has done in Miami is great, but it doesn't prove he would have taken us deep into the playoffs had he stayed here.

He's the initiator in Miami that everything runs through. Everything is cleared out for him to work his inside the arc, physical style. That wouldn't be the case here. Jimmy's subpar to mediocre skill level makes him a questionable fit alongside another elite talent because he doesn't offer much off the ball on offense.

The regret isn't that we lost him, for me, it's that we didn't get Tyler Herro back in the sign and trade.

[ProcessDoctor]

There were so many posters here who actively vouched for keeping Tobias over Jimmy though. “Younger” and “better fit” they said. It’s almost like they didn’t watch Jimmy keep us in games down the stretch during the playoffs.

That being said, Jimmy’s gone. We need to focus on acquiring another player with that mentality. He’s in Utah for the taking.

Nah. We already have a player of his mentality on our roster. He currently comes much cheaper than Butler or Mitchell. Besides, what has Mitchell proven thus far in the playoffs?

Please do enlighten me on said player. If you’re talking about smiles Maxey, spare me.

Mitchell has shown he can successfully be the go-to option during the playoffs. Unlike Tyrese, he doesn’t need greater than 40% of his shots to be assisted and can actually get his own buckets. I love Maxey, but he’s not taking us to the promise land anytime soon.

[Kobblehead]

I dunno, Maxey just averages 20+ in a 12 game playoff run at age 21. I've doubted Maxey along the rise, but there's legitimate chance he becomes a true bonafide #1 option.