Around The League: 2021-2022 Season 1.0

[76ciology]

Are you still a big fan of Tobi?

Im not a big fan of tobi. I just dont think he is as bad as people say he is.

Im a sixers fan first. I dont even care if we trade Embiid.

Im not gonna let my frustrations on tobi or his image of bad contract ruin the obvious poor fit of Ben and Jimmy.

Again, let me know if there are any backcourt that has run or can run a good offense with backcourt of Jimmy and Ben.

Having one poor shooter alone is already bad. Two, it’s impossible

I'm just being a troll. I was looking at the thread when we traded for Tobias and you were defending him pretty vociferously against the mixed response crowd. Nothing wrong with that, just wanted to be a little annoying this weekend.

Honestly, im paid monthly by RealGM to post contrarian views/hot takes this provides a lot of engagement to the users which is driving revenues from ads.

[76ciology]

When has two high usage perimeter ballhandlers who are sub par shooters win the championship?

Jimmy wants to run pick and roll
Brett don’t run pick and roll
Ben don’t want to be at the dunker spot in the pick and roll

The moves that would have moved the needle are..
- Doing homework in 2013 draft like Raptors, OKC, Hawks and Bucks, and then dont pass up Giannis. Twice. Over a center who cant play defense and a guard who can’t shoot.
- Trading Ben for Kawhi, then have Kawhi and Jimmy in 2019 playoffs
- Picking Jimmy over Ben
- Selecting Ben over Ingram
- Basketball Gods not selecting Fultz as the sacrifice for Klay Thompson and Kevin Durant’s health

[blargh]

Jimmy was shooting 23-24% from 3pt in the last 3 seasons.

How do you run an offense around Jimmy and Ben?

Give me an example of a backcourt that shot this bad on 3s that can run a very good offense

The reason why Heat with Jimmy works is they surround them with deadeye shooters.

What does Bam shoot from 3?

So we let Ben play bam’s role and trade embiid? Yeah sure if we can get an equal return for Embiid. Maybe Dame, CJ and Roco with Ben and Jimmy?

You just can’t have Ben, Embiid and Jimmy trio. The only reason why Jimmy is having all these praise is because he is having a hot shooting streak that isnt sustainable

We also have to remember that Embiid back then was not the jumpshooter that he is today, and I don’t know that I could have predicted he would improve this much. The spacing with Ben, Jimmy, and Jo would have been even worse. Jimmy and 2022 Joel is a better fit.

[76ciology]

What does Bam shoot from 3?

So we let Ben play bam’s role and trade embiid? Yeah sure if we can get an equal return for Embiid. Maybe Dame, CJ and Roco with Ben and Jimmy?

You just can’t have Ben, Embiid and Jimmy trio. The only reason why Jimmy is having all these praise is because he is having a hot shooting streak that isnt sustainable

We also have to remember that Embiid back then was not the jumpshooter that he is today, and I don’t know that I could have predicted he would improve this much. The spacing with Ben, Jimmy, and Jo would have been even worse. Jimmy and 2022 Joel is a better fit.

Yeah. Jimmy and 2022 Joel would be better than Harden and 2022 Joel. We need Jimmy’s leadership to push Biid

[ProcessDoctor]

I dunno, Maxey just averages 20+ in a 12 game playoff run at age 21. I've doubted Maxey along the rise, but there's legitimate chance he becomes a true bonafide #1 option.

Almost all of his points come off of gravity drawn by Harden and Embiid. If you gave him the ball in the half court and asked him to go get his own shot, he fails a majority of the time.

[Kobblehead]

Maxey's 1 identifiable trait as a prospect coming into the league was his ability to cook defenders 1 on 1 and create his own shots in the halfcourt. That's the last thing I'd worry about with him.

[ProcessDoctor]

Markelle Fultz could also shoot off the dribble at Washington. Who cares now?

[mjkvol]

Lesson for fans is when someone sells you “going against the grain”, it’s very likely a ponzi scheme.

Trend is your friend.

No doubt. When Brown and Brand were selling the 'bully ball' garbage, all I could think of was "great, 20 years late to the party". There's dumb and dumber, and then there's the Sixers management team between Hinkie and Morey.

[mjkvol]

So we let Ben play bam’s role and trade embiid? Yeah sure if we can get an equal return for Embiid. Maybe Dame, CJ and Roco with Ben and Jimmy?

You just can’t have Ben, Embiid and Jimmy trio. The only reason why Jimmy is having all these praise is because he is having a hot shooting streak that isnt sustainable

We also have to remember that Embiid back then was not the jumpshooter that he is today, and I don’t know that I could have predicted he would improve this much. The spacing with Ben, Jimmy, and Jo would have been even worse. Jimmy and 2022 Joel is a better fit.

Yeah. Jimmy and 2022 Joel would be better than Harden and 2022 Joel. We need Jimmy’s leadership to push Biid

Please don't go there.

[Kobblehead]

Markelle Fultz could also shoot off the dribble at Washington. Who cares now?

Maxey has been putting up elite scoring efficiency in the halfcourt in every spot except the 10-15 foot range.

If your take is based on unassisted basket frequency this year, that's a scheme thing. Because Harris' unassisted scoring frequency also took a huge step back this year. That's a symptom of Embiid gunning for the MVP and our offense catering 100% to him.

Worrying about Tyrese Maxey's halfcourt shotcreating is like worrying about Matisse Thybulle's defense. It's just unfathomable.

[ProcessDoctor]

Markelle Fultz could also shoot off the dribble at Washington. Who cares now?

Maxey has been putting up elite scoring efficiency in the halfcourt in every spot except the 10-15 foot range.

If your take is based on unassisted basket frequency this year, that's a scheme thing. Because Harris' unassisted scoring frequency also took a huge step back this year. That's a symptom of Embiid gunning for the MVP and our offense catering 100% to him.

Worrying about Tyrese Maxey's halfcourt shotcreating is like worrying about Matisse Thybulle's defense. It's just unfathomable.

Even Tyrese’s rookie year he had astronomically high assisted field goal percentages. Even if you believe he has that kind of game, I can’t imagine the team giving him the keys to our half court offense. Maybe he’ll be ready for something like that in 2 years, but I think the next 2 seasons are our best shot at a title with Harden/Embiid.

[Embiid P]

There were so many posters here who actively vouched for keeping Tobias over Jimmy though. “Younger” and “better fit” they said. It’s almost like they didn’t watch Jimmy keep us in games down the stretch during the playoffs.

That being said, Jimmy’s gone. We need to focus on acquiring another player with that mentality. He’s in Utah for the taking.

Nah. We already have a player of his mentality on our roster. He currently comes much cheaper than Butler or Mitchell. Besides, what has Mitchell proven thus far in the playoffs?

Please do enlighten me on said player. If you’re talking about smiles Maxey, spare me.

Mitchell has shown he can successfully be the go-to option during the playoffs. Unlike Tyrese, he doesn’t need greater than 40% of his shots to be assisted and can actually get his own buckets. I love Maxey, but he’s not taking us to the promise land anytime soon.

Ok, let's say that we trade for Mitchell and his salary, and include Maxey and presumably Tobias in the deal. Our front court issues become even more glaring and we still haven't addressed the bench.

Personally, I'd rather keep Maxey and address our frontcourt and bench than trade for Mitchell and deplete even more of our depth.

Plus, I may be in the minority, but I expect Harden to bounce back next season with a full offseason to recover from his hamstring injury and greater bench depth to reduce his MPG which were third highest in the NBA this season.

[ProcessDoctor]

Nah. We already have a player of his mentality on our roster. He currently comes much cheaper than Butler or Mitchell. Besides, what has Mitchell proven thus far in the playoffs?

Please do enlighten me on said player. If you’re talking about smiles Maxey, spare me.

Mitchell has shown he can successfully be the go-to option during the playoffs. Unlike Tyrese, he doesn’t need greater than 40% of his shots to be assisted and can actually get his own buckets. I love Maxey, but he’s not taking us to the promise land anytime soon.

Ok, let's say that we trade for Mitchell and his salary, and include Maxey and presumably Tobias in the deal. Our front court issues become even more glaring and we still haven't addressed the bench.

Personally, I'd rather keep Maxey and address our frontcourt and bench than trade for Mitchell and deplete even more of our depth.

Plus, I may be in the minority, but I expect Harden to bounce back next season with a full offseason to recover from his hamstring injury and greater bench depth to reduce his MPG which were third highest in the NBA this season.

We can get said depth in the Mitchell trade. Utah has a ton of spare pieces (Conley, Clarkson, O’Neale, Gay, Bojan) that can be including for salary matching purposes. We’d obviously have to add Thybulle+ to make it all work out. We’d also still have the MLE to add a solid forward to the rotation.

I’d love to be as enthusiastic about Harden as you. I think he can have a better season, but he has never dominated down the stretch of playoff games when it has mattered most. It’s difficult for me to believe that’s going to change in his age 33 season.

[76ciology]

Lesson for fans is when someone sells you “going against the grain”, it’s very likely a ponzi scheme.

Trend is your friend.

No doubt. When Brown and Brand were selling the 'bully ball' garbage, all I could think of was "great, 20 years late to the party". There's dumb and dumber, and then there's the Sixers management team between Hinkie and Morey.

That squad was the darling of analytics and almost the consensus favorite of all analysts to make it to the finals. That squad would have made it far if not for the worst shooting backcourt in league history with Josh Richardson and Ben Simmons.

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2 years later, teams are playing with two center sized players like Raptors, Celtics and Bucks. Cavs was one of the best defensive team with playing 3 7fts. Ime Udoka incorporated that squad’s blueprint on defense with this celtics squad.

And look at where we are. After the Heat and Raptors series, more have joined my battlecry that we need another big to play with Embiid. Most have mentioned someone like Al Horford.

[ProcessDoctor]

Lesson for fans is when someone sells you “going against the grain”, it’s very likely a ponzi scheme.

Trend is your friend.

No doubt. When Brown and Brand were selling the 'bully ball' garbage, all I could think of was "great, 20 years late to the party". There's dumb and dumber, and then there's the Sixers management team between Hinkie and Morey.

That squad was the darling of analytics and almost the consensus favorite of all analysts to make it to the finals. That squad would have made it far if not for the worst shooting backcourt in league history with Josh Richardson and Ben Simmons.

Read on Twitter

2 years later, teams are playing with two center sized players like Raptors, Celtics and Bucks. Cavs was one of the best defensive team with playing 3 7fts. Ime Udoka incorporated that squad’s blueprint on defense with this celtics squad.

And look at where we are. After the Heat and Raptors series, more have joined my battlecry that we need another big to play with Embiid. Most have mentioned someone like Al Horford.

Issue is we were starting 4 bigs with those two + Simmons + non-shooting Harris.

[Sixteen]

Imagine we gave up Maxey for Lowry lol. That guy is toast

[76ciology]

No doubt. When Brown and Brand were selling the 'bully ball' garbage, all I could think of was "great, 20 years late to the party". There's dumb and dumber, and then there's the Sixers management team between Hinkie and Morey.

That squad was the darling of analytics and almost the consensus favorite of all analysts to make it to the finals. That squad would have made it far if not for the worst shooting backcourt in league history with Josh Richardson and Ben Simmons.

Read on Twitter

2 years later, teams are playing with two center sized players like Raptors, Celtics and Bucks. Cavs was one of the best defensive team with playing 3 7fts. Ime Udoka incorporated that squad’s blueprint on defense with this celtics squad.

And look at where we are. After the Heat and Raptors series, more have joined my battlecry that we need another big to play with Embiid. Most have mentioned someone like Al Horford.

Issue is we were starting 4 bigs with those two + Simmons + non-shooting Harris.

The issue is those two + Simmons + JOSH RICHARDSON

JJ Redick has been our team’s second best scorer after Embiid in 2017-2019.5 (prior to Jimmy). JJ-Biid DHO has been our best go-to action when we need offense, yes even when we had Jimmy.

If you want to blame Elton, it’s not because of adding Al Horford. Because again, we saw how much we need to have another big to play with Embiid. How defense nowadays needs two bigs who can protect the rim. Even we got decimated by guys like John Collins and Capela in the Hawks series in 2021.

The MISTAKE was buying to the ponzi scheme of Heat with Josh Richardson.

Sixers was trying to play the same scheme Celts did this season with Udoka (who was our asst coach back then).

Switchable guys with 2 bigs.
Josh Rich+Ben+Tobi and Al+Biid
Smart+Tatum+Jaylen and Al+Grant Williams

The problem was how do you run your Embiid centric offense with having Josh Richardson and Ben Simmons at the guard positions?

[76ciology]

Imagine we gave up Maxey for Lowry lol. That guy is toast

These raps fans trolling us

[76ciology]

Maxey's 1 identifiable trait as a prospect coming into the league was his ability to cook defenders 1 on 1 and create his own shots in the halfcourt. That's the last thing I'd worry about with him.

He’s more like Bradley Beal or Tony Parker. Very good at straight line drives but average in left to right. He already made a big leap with his shooting. His step back game is much improved and has shown a lot of promise.

[ProcessDoctor]

Marcus Smart being outdone by the Flopfather tonight.