2022 NBA Draft - Prospects Discussion

[LuessiT]

I know trade downs aren’t really a thing in the nba draft but I think I’d be talking to OKC and Orlando. Both have two picks in the thirties and given that the Bucks young talent tank is completely on empty, multiple swings is probably a better bet than one guy at #24.

The trick is signing 2nd rounders. We'd either have to use the TMLE to sign them, or only sign them to a 2 year deal, which is a real problem if you hit on one.

1 rounders can be signed freely without using an exception.

Who was the last 2nd round pick that signed a 2-year deal or less and returned something of value to the team drafting him? I'm sure there are some but none come to mind. I feel like handing out 2 year deals to high/mid SRPs is just burning assets.

[tski1972]

I know trade downs aren’t really a thing in the nba draft but I think I’d be talking to OKC and Orlando. Both have two picks in the thirties and given that the Bucks young talent tank is completely on empty, multiple swings is probably a better bet than one guy at #24.

The trick is signing 2nd rounders. We'd either have to use the TMLE to sign them, or only sign them to a 2 year deal, which is a real problem if you hit on one.

1 rounders can be signed freely without using an exception.

Maybe it’s time for the league to reconsider contracts for 2nd round picks.

[machu46]

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[emunney]

I know trade downs aren’t really a thing in the nba draft but I think I’d be talking to OKC and Orlando. Both have two picks in the thirties and given that the Bucks young talent tank is completely on empty, multiple swings is probably a better bet than one guy at #24.

The trick is signing 2nd rounders. We'd either have to use the TMLE to sign them, or only sign them to a 2 year deal, which is a real problem if you hit on one.

1 rounders can be signed freely without using an exception.

Maybe it’s time for the league to reconsider contracts for 2nd round picks.

Agreed, but for our particular case, I think just take pieces of the MLE and sign them to 3 year deals. Not like we want to spend that money anyway.

[Matches Malone]

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I... kinda feel the same. I know the comparison of Ja Morant has been said a thousand times, but he really does have an explosive game. I'm also not the biggest fan of the consensus top 3 Chet, Paolo and Smith.

[machu46]

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I... kinda feel the same. I know the comparison of Ja Morant has been said a thousand times, but he really does have an explosive game. I'm also not the biggest fan of the consensus top 3 Chet, Paolo and Smith.

I think I probably have him 3rd or 4th and agree that it’s more a top 4 than a top 3 for me.

Having said that, Ja was a way more consistently good passer than Ivey in college (though Ivey has some similarly spectacular flashes).


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[ShootingtheJ]

The trick is signing 2nd rounders. We'd either have to use the TMLE to sign them, or only sign them to a 2 year deal, which is a real problem if you hit on one.

1 rounders can be signed freely without using an exception.

Maybe it’s time for the league to reconsider contracts for 2nd round picks.

Agreed, but for our particular case, I think just take pieces of the MLE and sign them to 3 year deals. Not like we want to spend that money anyway.

Who is "we"? I would sure love to sign a potential playoff rotation player with the TMLE. I don't know why we're carrying water for ownership to go cheap.

[Matches Malone]

I'd be curious to know what everyone's top 3 are? I feel like there's so much fluidity between Paolo, Smith, Holmgren and Ivey. Smith is probably my least favorite of the 4, which is funny because he's leading most mocks to go #1. He feels more like a really good complimentary player, maybe a second or third option on a team but I don't get #1 overall pick vibes from him. Can someone sell me on him a bit more?

[machu46]

I think if forced to order them I’d probably go Jabari, Paolo, Ivey but I think those three and Chet are all basically the same tier of prospect, just in very different ways.

I think Jabari is probably the safest prospect of the 4 while also having potential to be a special player. His shooting stroke and defensive motor/versatility should make him a very helpful player even if he doesn’t round out his skillset. And if god forbid he improves his handle significantly, he could be pretty much an ideal centerpiece.

Paolo shows the skills to potentially be an offensive centerpiece, though I’m not really convinced he’s as good a shooter as his numbers suggest this season. And he has the most questions defensively IMO.

Ivey obviously has the athleticism and frame you look for in a lead guard and he shows flashes of special passing ability but it’s nowhere near consistent enough right now and his handle, particularly his weak hand, is not where you want it to be.

Chet’s shooting stroke and rim protection will translate IMO and I like his off ball activity offensively. I worry about him holding up on switches though. I believe his numbers on switches were very good but I don’t think he actually projects to be good at it and runs some risk of being played off the court in the playoffs. And in general, I just don’t like taking centers at the top of the draft unless they’re like extremely special as I feel it’s the most easy position to replace on the cheap. And I don’t really see Chet as THAT level of prospect personally.


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[emunney]

Maybe it’s time for the league to reconsider contracts for 2nd round picks.

Agreed, but for our particular case, I think just take pieces of the MLE and sign them to 3 year deals. Not like we want to spend that money anyway.

Who is "we"? I would sure love to sign a potential playoff rotation player with the TMLE. I don't know why we're carrying water for ownership to go cheap.

We is the Bucks. Regardless of whether they use the rest of it or not, if they're making high 2nds and not stashing them, they need to use pieces of that exception to sign the picks to 3 year deals.

I'm not carrying water for anybody, I want them to resign the rotation players and use all available exceptions. But they won't.

[jakecronus8]

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I... kinda feel the same. I know the comparison of Ja Morant has been said a thousand times, but he really does have an explosive game. I'm also not the biggest fan of the consensus top 3 Chet, Paolo and Smith.

If I had the #1 pick I’d try to trade it. If I don’t get any takers he’s pretty easily my pick. Holmgren is the only guy who I see with special potential but man that body type freaks me out. Ivey is the safest choice

[Matches Malone]

Random aside, I'm currently in a sim league and I'm in the second year of the rebuild with Darius Garland and Scottie Barnes as my main building blocks. I currently hold the #2 pick and was curious who you guys think would fit well next to Garland and Barnes? Would Banchero or Jabari Smith fit next to a Barnes or should I maybe go Ivey or Chet?

[SupremeHustle]

Random aside, I'm currently in a sim league and I'm in the second year of the rebuild with Darius Garland and Scottie Barnes as my main building blocks. I currently hold the #2 pick and was curious who you guys think would fit well next to Garland and Barnes? Would Banchero or Jabari Smith fit next to a Barnes or should I maybe go Ivey or Chet?

Jabari or Chet. Jabari and Barnes as the 3/4 could be epic if they can hit 3s.

[Matches Malone]

Random aside, I'm currently in a sim league and I'm in the second year of the rebuild with Darius Garland and Scottie Barnes as my main building blocks. I currently hold the #2 pick and was curious who you guys think would fit well next to Garland and Barnes? Would Banchero or Jabari Smith fit next to a Barnes or should I maybe go Ivey or Chet?

Jabari or Chet. Jabari and Barnes as the 3/4 could be epic if they can hit 3s.

Chet is hard to figure out. I wonder if his offensive game will open up more at the next level and he'll play more like a wing at the next level on offense? Some scouts I was reading think he could get played off the court in the playoffs, despite him being a good shot blocker and rim protector, which always scares me a bit. Then I think about a backcourt with Garland and Ivey but I do also have Davion Mitchell but he's my backup right now.

If you're curious of the guys I have under contract on my rebuild

Spoiler:

Mohamed Bamba
Myles Turner
Scottie Barnes
Darius Garland
Monte Morris
RJ Hampton
Terance Mann
Oshae Brissett
Davion Mitchell
Isaac Okoro
Ziaire Williams
Quentin Grimes
Devon Dotson

[midranger]

Random aside, I'm currently in a sim league and I'm in the second year of the rebuild with Darius Garland and Scottie Barnes as my main building blocks. I currently hold the #2 pick and was curious who you guys think would fit well next to Garland and Barnes? Would Banchero or Jabari Smith fit next to a Barnes or should I maybe go Ivey or Chet?

Jabari or Chet. Jabari and Barnes as the 3/4 could be epic if they can hit 3s.

Chet is hard to figure out. I wonder if his offensive game will open up more at the next level and he'll play more like a wing at the next level on offense? Some scouts I was reading think he could get played off the court in the playoffs, despite him being a good shot blocker and rim protector, which always scares me a bit. Then I think about a backcourt with Garland and Ivey but I do also have Davion Mitchell but he's my backup right now.

If you're curious of the guys I have under contract on my rebuild

Spoiler:

Mohamed Bamba
Myles Turner
Scottie Barnes
Darius Garland
Monte Morris
RJ Hampton
Terance Mann
Oshae Brissett
Davion Mitchell
Isaac Okoro
Ziaire Williams
Quentin Grimes
Devon Dotson

No idea about the fantasy implications, but that team is legitimately terrible with limited upside.

[Matches Malone]

Jabari or Chet. Jabari and Barnes as the 3/4 could be epic if they can hit 3s.

Chet is hard to figure out. I wonder if his offensive game will open up more at the next level and he'll play more like a wing at the next level on offense? Some scouts I was reading think he could get played off the court in the playoffs, despite him being a good shot blocker and rim protector, which always scares me a bit. Then I think about a backcourt with Garland and Ivey but I do also have Davion Mitchell but he's my backup right now.

If you're curious of the guys I have under contract on my rebuild

Spoiler:

Mohamed Bamba
Myles Turner
Scottie Barnes
Darius Garland
Monte Morris
RJ Hampton
Terance Mann
Oshae Brissett
Davion Mitchell
Isaac Okoro
Ziaire Williams
Quentin Grimes
Devon Dotson

No idea about the fantasy implications, but that team is legitimately terrible with limited upside.

Doesn't work like fantasy and that's why this is a rebuild. I've already won the championship when I had Beal and Davis but needed to get younger. But to say Garland and Barnes are terrible with limited upside is a take. But thanks for your unwarranted opinion?

[emunney]

Random aside, I'm currently in a sim league and I'm in the second year of the rebuild with Darius Garland and Scottie Barnes as my main building blocks. I currently hold the #2 pick and was curious who you guys think would fit well next to Garland and Barnes? Would Banchero or Jabari Smith fit next to a Barnes or should I maybe go Ivey or Chet?

My take is that I like Garland and Barnes, but picking #2 you can't be concerned about fit. If you pick the right player you could well have someone more worthy of building around than either of those two guys. That said, I'd take Chet and he also seems like a good fit.

[RiotPunch]

Does anyone think Dalen Terry could give us some of what Dante gave us when he was healthy but with much better length?

I’m worried about Dalen’s off the dribble jumper, and he has a slight hitch in his shot, but he really reads the game well as a 2 guard. Some of his passes and reads were really impressive.

I reaaaaally like Dalen. Kriisa was out for the PAC12 championship game against UCLA and he ran the team perfectly. He's got PG brain and vision with PF length. A lot of the best PGs in college this season spent a ton of time off ball seemingly just because they were taller than the other guard. If he fills out, he's going to be an awesome 2 way player, even if he never gets rid of that crazy elbow movement.

Yeah, I’m just starting to look at guys for the draft, and he’s my favorite right now. He has those glue guy traits where I’m convinced he could help us next year, and, like you said, if he fills out his body long term and develops his swing skills, you can squint and see some all-star impact.

High floor, high ceiling.

Dalen has flown up my rankings and he may be my favorite option for us. He views his game as Mikal Bridges/Penny Hardaway/Shaun Livingston. Sees the floor incredibly well and LOVES playing defense, prides himself on doing the little things, wreaks havoc in transition, can guard at least 1-3. Agreed, high floor, high ceiling, Giannis will love him. I'm willing to bet on the shot becoming reliable. Love his combine interview.

https://www.nba.com/magic/videos/2022-nba-draft-combine-dalen-terry

Some highlights

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Jrue / Terry / Midds / Giannis / Portis is a helluva switching 5.

[tski1972]

I reaaaaally like Dalen. Kriisa was out for the PAC12 championship game against UCLA and he ran the team perfectly. He's got PG brain and vision with PF length. A lot of the best PGs in college this season spent a ton of time off ball seemingly just because they were taller than the other guard. If he fills out, he's going to be an awesome 2 way player, even if he never gets rid of that crazy elbow movement.

Yeah, I’m just starting to look at guys for the draft, and he’s my favorite right now. He has those glue guy traits where I’m convinced he could help us next year, and, like you said, if he fills out his body long term and develops his swing skills, you can squint and see some all-star impact.

High floor, high ceiling.

Dalen has flown up my rankings and he may be my favorite option for us. He views his game as Mikal Bridges/Penny Hardaway/Shaun Livingston. Sees the floor incredibly well and LOVES playing defense, prides himself on doing the little things, wreaks havoc in transition, can guard at least 1-3. Agreed, high floor, high ceiling, Giannis will love him. I'm willing to bet on the shot becoming reliable. Love his combine interview.

https://www.nba.com/magic/videos/2022-nba-draft-combine-dalen-terry

Some highlights

Watch on YouTube

Jrue / Terry / Midds / Giannis / Portis is a helluva switching 5.

Definitely on my list, so much this kid could end up doing.

[msiris]

We are not keeping this pick.