Off-Season 2022 - the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes

[Mavrelous]

Not sure this is possible but...

SnT Brunson for Grant/Pick

Detroit has like max cap space. If Jalen goes to Detroit we are screwed.

It'll depend what happens with Ayton, if they max Ayton then they'd have to S&T to get Brunson.
Given Ayton, Bridges, Sexton, Brunson and Simmons RFA/FA, 1st 2 weeks of July are going to be very interesting.

[DrPampiloni]

I think Hartenstein is not a stop-gap option. I think he would thrive with Luka as a hard-roller. Can hit the three consistently, heck all his metrics are off-the-charts... This guy is in for a break-out year.

[Teffer10]

Not sure this is possible but...

SnT Brunson for Grant/Pick

Detroit has like max cap space. If Jalen goes to Detroit we are screwed.

It'll depend what happens with Ayton, if they max Ayton then they'd have to S&T to get Brunson.
Given Ayton, Bridges, Sexton, Brunson and Simmons RFA/FA, 1st 2 weeks of July are going to be very interesting.

Yeah, if they were to add Brunson and Ayton with only giving up Grant and Olynyk, they would have an instant PO contender.
Bagley, Stewart and Bey make Grant expendable so I could see that benefiting them.
Brunson would bring some maturity and leadership.

Grant would give us another solid wing who can score and would fit our system well.
Olynyk gives us a legit sized backup center who can spread the floor.

[GeorgeGervin]

For the most part i agree, moving either Powell or Bertans will be really tough, even though Powell is expiring. But i don't agree on Frank and Chriss. People are saying this for years now and they are literally the same. Frank has no offense and is ok-ish at best on defense, that's not enough for me personally to keep him. And Chriss is bad on offense and bad on defense, so i don't mind if he's gone.

These type of players mostly look good during the regular season but we have seen in playoffs, they are either unplayable or you really need a specific matchup to make it work. But yeah it is a good argument that they are on a cheap deals, that's true.

Frank is much better on defense than ok-ish. He was brought off the bench to play defense on the best opposing guards, that should tell you something.
He is limited on offense but he is clearly not unplayable as he can make some open shots unlike Green.
If he improves his 3pt shot he becomes a pretty decent 3&D guy off the bench.

That's why i said some players are only ok to play against specific scenarios, his contract is not horrible but still all in all, if he's being traded i would be completely ok with it. His offense is non existant and you can't rely on his shooting so there is no need to sugar-coat it.

Nobody said you could rely on Frank's shooting, all I'm saying is that he can at least hit open 3s unlinke Green. He shot 34% from the 3 this year, which is below average but not terrible and he's imrpoving on that aspect.
Like I said, if he starts developing a better 3pt shot he becomes a decent 3&D player so I would keep him.

[Archx]

Frank is much better on defense than ok-ish. He was brought off the bench to play defense on the best opposing guards, that should tell you something.
He is limited on offense but he is clearly not unplayable as he can make some open shots unlike Green.
If he improves his 3pt shot he becomes a pretty decent 3&D guy off the bench.

That's why i said some players are only ok to play against specific scenarios, his contract is not horrible but still all in all, if he's being traded i would be completely ok with it. His offense is non existant and you can't rely on his shooting so there is no need to sugar-coat it.

Nobody said you could rely on Frank's shooting, all I'm saying is that he can at least hit open 3s unlinke Green. He shot 34% from the 3 this year, which is below average but not terrible and he's imrpoving on that aspect.
Like I said, if he starts developing a better 3pt shot he becomes a decent 3&D player so I would keep him.

I mean if you're judging their shooting purely on regular season then Green was 36% from 3 But both took low amount of shots and both pretty much sucked in the playoffs. (offensively)

I'm not sure Frank is better than Green. He doesn't hustle like him or rebound. Green had some amazing games during regular season with great defense that actually helped turn the tide in Mavs favor. I can't remember Frank having such an impact. But Green does need to work on his shooting and confidence.

[BeiBeau]

I kinda posted something like this in the trades thread but the conversation got side tracked with a conversation about Luka’s conditioning.

I think a realistic off-season I like is:

1. Resign Brunson to 4/90

2. Trade Powell/Green/#26 to Houston for Christian Wood/ Future 2nd(Maybe 2026 with a top 40 protection)

3. Trade Bertans/2024 2nd to OKC for Favors(I’m not sure if it’s enough might need another 2nd with protections)

4. Sign Isaiah Hartenstien to the full T-MLE for 3 years.

5. Keep Ntilikina, if his 3 point keeps going up like it has been he will be a great 3&D guy

That would give us,

Luka/Dinwiddie
Brunson/Dinwiddie/Ntilikina
Bullock/THJ
DFS/Kleber
Wood/Hartenstien/Favors

I think that team can beat a Warriors/Nuggest/Clippers

[BeiBeau]

I think Hartenstein is not a stop-gap option. I think he would thrive with Luka as a hard-roller. Can hit the three consistently, heck all his metrics are off-the-charts... This guy is in for a break-out year.

I agree he’s poised for a breakout but I wouldn’t say his 3 is great he took less then half a 3 a game. It is nice he’s hitting his open ones though. I’m impressed with his passing and defense. I just don’t know if he’s a 30 minutes a night guy.

[Mr B]

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[41Dirk41]

Pathetic comment Nico... Really pathetic.

GSW have 3 HOF and 1 all star plus a bunch of ex lottery picks. That a Championship team.
Boston have 2 all star ,the DPOY, Horford is a former all star...

And i'm just curious how Boban and the Browns fits.

[Darren]

Pathetic comment Nico... Really pathetic.

GSW have 3 HOF and 1 all star plus a bunch of ex lottery picks. That a Championship team.
Boston have 2 all star ,the DPOY, Horford is a former all star...

And i'm just curious how Boban and the Browns fits.

All Mavericks first team.

[BeiBeau]

Pathetic comment Nico... Really pathetic.

GSW have 3 HOF and 1 all star plus a bunch of ex lottery picks. That a Championship team.
Boston have 2 all star ,the DPOY, Horford is a former all star...

And i'm just curious how Boban and the Browns fits.

You're not wrong, but, I would also say that I think of all the teams in the league the Warriors and Celtics are teams the "fit" together the best. The warriors have a system built around off ball movement with Curry, Klay, Pool, and Wiggins all being good to great at movements and the Celtics have a system built around being elite defensively and having no wholes, all 5 of their starters got DPOY votes. I think that is fit.

Dinwiddie isn't an all-star and didn't even put up numbers that are better the KP but the offense flowed much better with Dinwiddie and the Mavs played much better. Thats fit.

Unless we get Lavine I don't think we're adding and all star this offseason. We could add a guy that could grow into a all star in a better situation. (cough cough Christian Wood) lol.

[Maverick41]

Nico is right in a sense that you can't just have a bunch of stars that don't fit together and expect them to win. We as Mavs fans should know this with the 03-04 team with Nash, Finley, Walker Jamison and Dirk.

What's important is that I just hope that he doesn't go all in on fit only and forget that talent matters in the NBA. We can't keep going into series' where the opposing team has the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, AND 5th player on the court like GSW and PHO did. There will come a time where Luka will just say "screw this, this just isn't fair."

[41Dirk41]

Nico is right in a sense that you can't just have a bunch of stars that don't fit together and expect them to win. We as Mavs fans should know this with the 03-04 team with Nash, Finley, Walker Jamison and Dirk.

What's important is that I just hope that he doesn't go all in on fit only and forget that talent matters in the NBA. We can't keep going into series' where the opposing team has the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, AND 5th player on the court like GSW and PHO did. There will come a time where Luka will just say "screw this, this just isn't fair."

That's the point.

If it was just a Nico flexing ok but otherwise it's bull.
Anyway Brunson doesn't fit... So?

Hartenstein is a good gamble if he will be cheap, i don't like Wood attitude but at least he is way better than what we have (barely nothing).

[41Dirk41]

And a bunch of all star are future assets, fit or not they could be more useful than simple role players in a lot of ways for sure.

[Maverick41]

I agree in the sense that getting talent at least becomes asset accumulation even if they don't fit.

Goal should be not to add more Bullock, Maxi or DFS type players. They're good role players that fit really well but 1 or 2 of them need to be pushed down for better players (preferably an all star/s or someone that can grow into one) for us to take that next step.

[Mavrelous]

If the quest to get one of Capella/Turner/Gobert fails, I'd like to do Powell/Brown/Burke/Chriss/#26 for Holmes(into TPE)/Holiday, Mavs generate Powell sized TPE, get a better center (not big difference from Powell if you ask me, and another 3&D.

[BeiBeau]

If the quest to get one of Capella/Turner/Gobert fails, I'd like to do Powell/Brown/Burke/Chriss/#26 for Holmes(into TPE)/Holiday, Mavs generate Powell sized TPE, get a better center (not big difference from Powell if you ask me, and another 3&D.

I’d rather just sign Hartenstein if Holmes is the best we can do. Keep 26 and maybe move up a few spots if anyone slips.

[Maverick41]

If the quest to get one of Capella/Turner/Gobert fails, I'd like to do Powell/Brown/Burke/Chriss/#26 for Holmes(into TPE)/Holiday, Mavs generate Powell sized TPE, get a better center (not big difference from Powell if you ask me, and another 3&D.

This is a creative way to upgrade talent slightly and retain an asset (the TPE). I like the idea but I'd like it more if Nico actually had a target with the TPE. I wouldn't be surprised if they just let the TPE expire at this point considering the impending luxury tax.

[Mavrelous]

There are 2 targets Nico should keep the TPE for:
1. Gafford -- he's a PPP player which make him very hard to trade for, TPE will solve the problem, he also won't hurt hte tax bill since he's paid peanuts next year, salary jumps the year after, if at the deadline, KP is playing well and they are looking to trade him, TPE will make this possible.
2. Brunson S&T - because Brunson is BYC, TPE will make trade much easier to facilitate, I don't want to trade Brunson, but if push comes to shove, it's a good thing to have around.

[Maverick41]

If Gafford is on the table for the TPE, I do that 100%. I would imagine the Wizards would want to keep him for the inevitable KP injury(ies) though. At least until his extension kicks in.