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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#141 » by greg4012 » Mon May 30, 2022 8:46 pm

DayofMourning wrote:The first quarter of game 7 was the epitome of this team's outstanding issues that need fixed. We would bring the ball up the court miss a jumper then allow the other team to have a free run at the hoop with zero rim protection or collapse and give up a wide open three. This team needs an anchor on O and D.


This team needs revamping. Expectation that a big man would be the first man back on transition possessions off misses to stop drives to the basket is inherently flawed and a poor mischaracterization of the team’s issues.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#142 » by DayofMourning » Mon May 30, 2022 8:51 pm

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DayofMourning wrote:The first quarter of game 7 was the epitome of this team's outstanding issues that need fixed. We would bring the ball up the court miss a jumper then allow the other team to have a free run at the hoop with zero rim protection or collapse and give up a wide open three. This team needs an anchor on O and D.


This team needs revamping. Expectation that a big man would be the first man back on transition possessions off misses to stop drives to the basket is inherently flawed and a poor mischaracterization of the team’s issues.


All right then Greg. No rim protection. No paint presence.

What's the cure?
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#143 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 8:53 pm

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That dude wants us to trade all thst plus Yurt for Mitchell. A 2 guard that is 6’1 with shoes on. WTF


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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#144 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 8:55 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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We’ve sent 3 of those home over the last 3 years, the other 4 are in the west lol.

I know you’re upset but we’re a Herro trade and a frontcourt addition away from a championship



I highly doubt that. Herro gave us 20 points/game this year. Having him as your 3rd scorer is a championship team.


He’s one of the worst defenders in the league, the team is terrible when he’s on the court regardless of his scoring, and he’s been unplayable in the playoffs since the 2020 ECF. He’s not good but he’s young and has trade value.

Over glorified Jordan Clarkson

Inefficient scoring at that. Not to mention it gets even worse when he starts

THIS! Herro would have taken more shots than Jimmy, and taken points away from Jimmy and we would have lost by 10-13


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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#145 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 8:56 pm

SoFlaKingReal wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:

I highly doubt that. Herro gave us 20 points/game this year. Having him as your 3rd scorer is a championship team.


He’s one of the worst defenders in the league, the team is terrible when he’s on the court regardless of his scoring, and he’s been unplayable in the playoffs since the 2020 ECF. He’s not good but he’s young and has trade value.

Over glorified Jordan Clarkson

Inefficient scoring at that. Not to mention it gets even worse when he starts



Maybe we can trick one of these white markets like Indiana, Utah, or OKC into Herro. Pretty much everyone else knows his severe limitations. May as well keep him as we are completely devoid of scoring as is anyway.

Keep him at the max? No thank you


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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#146 » by greg4012 » Mon May 30, 2022 8:56 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:The first quarter of game 7 was the epitome of this team's outstanding issues that need fixed. We would bring the ball up the court miss a jumper then allow the other team to have a free run at the hoop with zero rim protection or collapse and give up a wide open three. This team needs an anchor on O and D.


This team needs revamping. Expectation that a big man would be the first man back on transition possessions off misses to stop drives to the basket is inherently flawed and a poor mischaracterization of the team’s issues.


All right then Greg. No rim protection. No paint presence.

What's the cure?


Lol is that what I said?

Firstly, shotmaking is a cure. Both Boston and Miami are defined by their ability to wreak havoc in transition of off misses and defensive stops. And both are teams that struggle when everything is slowed to half court offensive execution (which typically happens when the other team makes shots).

The right type of additional rim protection would be a big boost, but the options for that are way more limited than the “let’s get a real center” crowd realizes.

This team didn’t fall short because of defense. That doesn’t mean improving the defense shouldn’t be something to pursue. But offensive enhancement has to be priority 1, 2, and 3.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#147 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:01 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Bishop45 wrote:Size wasn't this teams problem, lack of talent, offensive talent was

our size and mobility on defense might have been what has gotten us this far, even though folks hate it


The fixation some fans have with thinking adding size is the answer for every issue is equally hilarious and obnoxious. THere are ways to add size that would functionally help, but those options are limited and far from a cure all


I'd rather go for a more traditional defensive philosophy rather than hyper switching as we have past their prime players accounting for big roles on this team. Butler had a knee injury. Lowry had a hamstring injury. PJ had an assortment of injuries. That's 3 starters you could look at and say they were overworked on defense. Tyler gets a groin injury as well. You push your body too far and injuries pop up at the worst times. Feels like this playoffs was an obvious indicator of how taxing our defense can be on our guys.

THIS!
And this scheme also leaves shooters open. Against poor shooting teams works great. Against great shooting teams we look like we don’t belong..


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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#148 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon May 30, 2022 9:01 pm

HEATVols865 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Read on Twitter

That dude wants us to trade all thst plus Yurt for Mitchell. A 2 guard that is 6’1 with shoes on. WTF


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He wants us to trade all that minus Lowry for Mitchell which I definitely would.

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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#149 » by unowen85 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:02 pm

The Bulls can take whatever they want, besides Butler and Bam, if in return Heat get Vucevic.
For a long time it gave me nightmares,witnessing an injustice like that.It’s a constant reminder of just how unfair this world can be.I can still hear them taunting him, Silly Rabbit tricks are for kids.I mean why couldn’t they just give him some cereal?
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#150 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:06 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
SoFlaKingReal wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:If we had Booker we probably don’t have Bam and I know you PPG merchants love scoring but Bam is a better all around player than Booker for the same reasons he’s a far better player than Herro. Give Bam 21 shots a night and a 32% usage like Booker and look at the numbers he’s putting up lmao.


You sure we wouldnt ship out Bam for Booker right now if given the chance? How many on this forum would?


90% of you on the forum would, 90% on the forum don’t know ball though and thankfully aren’t running the team lol. Riley would not do that. Just like he isn’t trading him for Mitchell, Dame, etc.

It would take an Embiid, Jokic, Luka, Giannis type return for Riley to do it

Dude I’m so sick and tired of your holier than thou attitude. What are your accolades to say you know basketball more than many in here? Did you play college ball? What conference? Did you start vein any championships? Did you play pro ball? What did you accomplish? Man up and say this or STFU. For all I care you played high school ball in Wyoming in a 2A school and then played some rec leagues as an adult. If you wa t people to believe, respect and listen to your crap, own up and share why we should. If not, you’re just another arm chair coach like us who wouldn’t be good r Pugh to be a ball boy in the G League.


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Post#151 » by Dr_Heat » Mon May 30, 2022 9:07 pm

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Post#152 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:08 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
We’ve sent 3 of those home over the last 3 years, the other 4 are in the west lol.

I know you’re upset but we’re a Herro trade and a frontcourt addition away from a championship

Yea, the funniest part is that if Bam could be the guy we needed him to be we wouldnt even have to trade Herro - he could fit in as the third guy. We literally have to trade Herro to try to find the secondary scorer because the guy we maxed out cant carry that role.

Watch it. He know more ball than you and is a psych major so he will tell you why saying Bam can’t do it is not his fault


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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#153 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:09 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Context and just general knowledge is very lacking on here to say the least lol. Holy ****.

SHARE YOUR ACCOLADES OR SHUT THE **** UP ADAM


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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#154 » by DayofMourning » Mon May 30, 2022 9:09 pm

greg4012 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
This team needs revamping. Expectation that a big man would be the first man back on transition possessions off misses to stop drives to the basket is inherently flawed and a poor mischaracterization of the team’s issues.


All right then Greg. No rim protection. No paint presence.

What's the cure?


Lol is that what I said?

Firstly, shotmaking is a cure. Both Boston and Miami are defined by their ability to wreak havoc in transition of off misses and defensive stops. And both are teams that struggle when everything is slowed to half court offensive execution (which typically happens when the other team makes shots).

The right type of additional rim protection would be a big boost, but the options for that are way more limited than the “let’s get a real center” crowd realizes.

This team didn’t fall short because of defense. That doesn’t mean improving the defense shouldn’t be something to pursue. But offensive enhancement has to be priority 1, 2, and 3.


I mean, I said we need rim protection and you translated that into meaning a true center. So, I guess we can break out the basketball dictionary and argue over what defines what, but yes, centers are traditionally better at rim protection. So, yes, I want a center who can protect the rim better than the absence of that that we have now. I also believe that having a defensive anchor for the low post will make our defenders better and work less.

I also stated we needed an offensive anchor who can get buckets. At no point did I say we needed one versus the other. I legit said we need both.

I guess I'm confused as to why you're debating either point. We obviously need rim protection and a bonafide bucket getter.
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Post#155 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:11 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:It’s very fitting that a Dion Waiters stan doesn’t understand the importance of Bam and how good he is

You’re so emotional :lol: any critique of Bam its not enough for you to reply once you continue making other posts, its comical. And dont mistake me having fun with something Dion said about himself with being a stan, Im not you lmao

Let’s see if he will share his basketball career stats and accolades or if he’s just a phony fan boy who looks at numbers feelers than others and paints the picture he wants to see


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Post#156 » by Beenie » Mon May 30, 2022 9:11 pm

HEATVols865 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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That dude wants us to trade all thst plus Yurt for Mitchell. A 2 guard that is 6’1 with shoes on. WTF


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He can score in isolation and there’s evidence of it in the playoffs.
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#157 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:13 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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White guys and a bunch of picks for Utah? They would love that.

Stop quoting your own tweets Adam


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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#158 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Mon May 30, 2022 9:22 pm

unowen85 wrote:The Bulls can take whatever they want, besides Butler and Bam, if in return Heat get Vucevic.

I wanted to trade Herro straight up for Vucevic 2 season ago before he got shipped to Chicago lol
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Re: Roster moves in off-season. 

Post#159 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon May 30, 2022 9:25 pm

Beenie wrote:
HEATVols865 wrote:
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
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That dude wants us to trade all thst plus Yurt for Mitchell. A 2 guard that is 6’1 with shoes on. WTF


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He can score in isolation and there’s evidence of it in the playoffs.


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Post#160 » by HEATVols865 » Mon May 30, 2022 9:27 pm

LOL Bammy is Adam…read Adam’s tweets and read Bammy’s posts…LMAOOOOO


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