if curry wins 4th title +FMVP

[Warriors Analyst]

So what’s Steph’s injury gonna be when he struggles to score against the Celtics? Knee? Ankle? Lets hear it now so it doesn’t manifest later.

You continuously mock the injury as if it wasn't a real factor.

From a B/R article written in 2018 that talks at length about Steph's decline in the 2016 Finals.

[quote]By the time the Warriors beat the Oklahoma City Thunder in a grueling seven-game series, the Cleveland Cavaliers had tracked and broken down his movements like forensic scientists. They analyzed his in-game workload data, watched hours of film and came away with a realization that they weren't watching the reigning MVP anymore.

"He just wasn't the same animal," one high-level Cavs staffer admitted later.

The box score didn't scream that Curry wasn't 100 percent after the MCL injury; it whispered it. In 16 games after returning, Curry averaged 26.4 points, 5.4 assists and 5.8 rebounds and shot 40.2 percent on 11.5 three-pointers per game. In the Finals, Curry even set a record with 32 made threes.

"Steph still had his shooting ability, but he didn't have that state of flow where everything's working for you effortlessly," Penfold says. "Other times, it's still going to work, but you've got to work at it."

But the Cavs organization saw that Curry's mileage had piled up in the OKC series. The film also revealed a subtle change in the Warriors' attack by design or by default: They preserved his body by letting him create off the dribble.

"He stopped running off the ball," the Cavs source said. "You could clearly see that there was a gradual erosion to his game."

That was a huge development, because Curry's catch-and-shoots were among the most devastating plays in the sport. In the 2015-16 regular season, 42.8 percent of Curry's three-point attempts came off the pass, and he converted a blistering 47.8 percent of those tries, per NBA.com. After his return from injury, it was a different story. Only 38 percent of his three-pointers were catch-and-shoots, and he made just 37.1 percent of those attempts from deep.

[...]

Curry had been slowly declining in speed, too. According to SportVU tracking data, he averaged 5.21 mph on offense in the Portland series, or covering about 460 feet per minute. In OKC, that dipped to 5.12 (450 feet). In the Finals, it fell to 4.88 (430 feet).

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2773904-is-steph-curry-really-back

[NBA4Lyfe]

I guess top 20, even though he doesn’t have the winshares or career vorp to place him there

[WarriorGM]

You're the one suggesting Curry's success is due to luck. No, it's not due to luck.

His title wins? Yes, I am suggesting they are in fact due to luck. The Warriors continuing to be juggernauts after the disappointing end to the 2016 season? Yes. Everything else? No.

Curry has no defensive accolades? Why don't they give out off-ball accolades? FMVP awards? Does the opinion of 11 people under the thrall of network broadcasting prerogatives in charge of handing out a bought and paid for award outweigh records? Do we trust such entities when they cannot even educate viewers such as yourself that not only is Curry the best playmaker on his team he is probably the best playmaker of all-time?

You're going to have to do better than this. Trying to downplay the importance of defensive accolades and FMVP awards implies you're trying very hard to act like you aren't bothered by the fact that Curry doesn't have any. They absolutely matter, because here's the thing: most people agree with those decisions. Curry is not a great defender and never has been. He wasn't the best player for any of his three finals wins. Stuff like this matters when determining where Curry belongs on the all time rankings.

These accolades the media hands out are arbitrary constructs that don't have any proven association with winning. They're there for promotional purposes. "See this up and coming player we want you to watch and buy merchandise about? Well he hasn't won anything yet so here we're going to give him an award so it looks like he's done something!"

This is some laughable drivel I'm seeing here. That's never been how any of these awards work. And what's worse is that you just got done pointing out Curry's unanimous MVP selection of proof of his all time status but now you're diminishing other awards because he didn't win them. That's not how that works. Either the awards matter or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

What I find laughable is to suggest that the player that led the teams with the best regular season of all-time and the best playoffs record of all-time and who probably had the most impressive 5 consecutive seasons in NBA history doesn't have an all-time great résumé.

The best regular season of all time doesn't mean anything without a championship. And guess what? Curry didn't win a championship that season, so pointing this out is meaningless. Best playoffs record? You can thank Durant for that. Impressive five consecutive seasons? Again, Durant. This is where the whole luck thing comes back into play. And you still have yet explain how these factors aren't due to luck.

Also, Curry doesn't have an all time great resume. If he does, feel free to list his resume and I'll have no problem listing out significantly better ones.

Did I point out the unanimous MVP? I think that was someone else. The unanimous MVP though is merely an indicator of what is the real accomplishment: the season Curry produced. That's the problem with many of the things people point to in these discussion they are secondary derivative byproducts of the real achievements. That said getting 100+ people to agree on something unanimously is impressive in most areas in life. Certainly makes it more notable in comparison to other subjective secondary evidence that the media churns out.

Durant disqualifies two of Curry's years? Then I guess Shaq disqualifies Kobe and vice versa for three of their years. Kareem disqualifies Magic and vice versa for how long? 5 years? Wade disqualifies LeBron's achievements for two years?

Luck? Setting records suggests it is not luck because no one else has done it. Turning around a perennialy losing franchise starting from the position of a rookie and then later turning around a last place team again suggests it is not luck. Name the other players who turned around losing teams without major acquisitions more than once. That you think Curry's career is questionable on these grounds shows how out of touch you are with reality.

Curry's résumé? Go ahead take your shots:

Led a team to three consecutive 67+ win seasons. Led a team to the best regular season record. Led a team to the best playoffs record. Engine of a team commonly referred to as the best NBA team of all-time. 3 championships in 5 consecutive finals appearances. 6 finals appearances in 8 years. Most efficient statistical season of all-time. +/- playoffs record. Turned around and won a championship for a moribund franchise that drafted him without another established star. Brought a team that finished dead last in the league to a finals in two seasons. Eliminated the First Team All-NBA aside from himself in a single championship run. Eliminated two closest MVPs in time that was not him playing simultaneously against him in a series. Eliminated arguably the two greatest guards of his era other than himself playing simultaneously against him in a series.

Did the above in the modern era in a league not diluted by recent addition of expansion teams. Did this in the tougher conference.

List the ones you think are better and why.

Also
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7wepu0X4AAJfsz?format=jpg&name=small

[SecondTake]

Yeah, he won't. It's not possible. There is nothing Curry can do anymore to surpass LeBron in legacy or brand. There is literally nothing Curry can do that will make people think that he's better at basketball than LeBron James.

i disagree... curry is about to get his 4th title(tieing lebron), has achievements lebron can only dream of having.. and has the most unique skillset the modern nba has ever seen. he literally changed the game, like jordan did.... he is much closer to jordan, than any other ball players. if he has an impressive finals showing and wins.

Fmvp is the most important award in basketball. It's the main reason MJ is considered the GOAT. Curry would need more titles and at least 3 fmvp to pass LeBron

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[TheLand13]

You're the one suggesting Curry's success is due to luck. No, it's not due to luck.

His title wins? Yes, I am suggesting they are in fact due to luck. The Warriors continuing to be juggernauts after the disappointing end to the 2016 season? Yes. Everything else? No.

Curry has no defensive accolades? Why don't they give out off-ball accolades? FMVP awards? Does the opinion of 11 people under the thrall of network broadcasting prerogatives in charge of handing out a bought and paid for award outweigh records? Do we trust such entities when they cannot even educate viewers such as yourself that not only is Curry the best playmaker on his team he is probably the best playmaker of all-time?

You're going to have to do better than this. Trying to downplay the importance of defensive accolades and FMVP awards implies you're trying very hard to act like you aren't bothered by the fact that Curry doesn't have any. They absolutely matter, because here's the thing: most people agree with those decisions. Curry is not a great defender and never has been. He wasn't the best player for any of his three finals wins. Stuff like this matters when determining where Curry belongs on the all time rankings.

These accolades the media hands out are arbitrary constructs that don't have any proven association with winning. They're there for promotional purposes. "See this up and coming player we want you to watch and buy merchandise about? Well he hasn't won anything yet so here we're going to give him an award so it looks like he's done something!"

This is some laughable drivel I'm seeing here. That's never been how any of these awards work. And what's worse is that you just got done pointing out Curry's unanimous MVP selection of proof of his all time status but now you're diminishing other awards because he didn't win them. That's not how that works. Either the awards matter or they don't. You can't have it both ways.

What I find laughable is to suggest that the player that led the teams with the best regular season of all-time and the best playoffs record of all-time and who probably had the most impressive 5 consecutive seasons in NBA history doesn't have an all-time great résumé.

The best regular season of all time doesn't mean anything without a championship. And guess what? Curry didn't win a championship that season, so pointing this out is meaningless. Best playoffs record? You can thank Durant for that. Impressive five consecutive seasons? Again, Durant. This is where the whole luck thing comes back into play. And you still have yet explain how these factors aren't due to luck.

Also, Curry doesn't have an all time great resume. If he does, feel free to list his resume and I'll have no problem listing out significantly better ones.

Did I point out the unanimous MVP? I think that was someone else. The unanimous MVP though is merely an indicator of what is the real accomplishment: the season Curry produced. That's the problem with many of the things people point to in these discussion they are secondary derivative byproducts of the real achievements. That said getting 100+ people to agree on something unanimously is impressive in most areas in life. Certainly makes it more notable in comparison to other subjective secondary evidence that the media churns out.

Durant disqualifies two of Curry's years? Then I guess Shaq disqualifies Kobe and vice versa for three of their years. Kareem disqualifies Magic and vice versa for how long? 5 years? Wade disqualifies LeBron's achievements for two years?

Luck? Setting records suggests it is not luck because no one else has done it. Turning around a perennialy losing franchise starting from the position of a rookie and then later turning around a last place team again suggests it is not luck. Name the other players who turned around losing teams without major acquisitions more than once. That you think Curry's career is questionable on these grounds shows how out of touch you are with reality.

Curry's résumé? Go ahead take your shots:

Led a team to three consecutive 67+ win seasons. Led a team to the best regular season record. Led a team to the best playoffs record. Engine of a team commonly referred to as the best NBA team of all-time. 3 championships in 5 consecutive finals appearances. 6 finals appearances in 8 years. Most efficient statistical season of all-time. +/- playoffs record. Turned around and won a championship for a moribund franchise that drafted him without another established star. Brought a team that finished dead last in the league to a finals in two seasons. Eliminated the First Team All-NBA aside from himself in a single championship run. Eliminated two closest MVPs in time that was not him playing simultaneously against him in a series. Eliminated arguably the two greatest guards of his era other than himself playing simultaneously against him in a series.

Did the above in the modern era in a league not diluted by recent addition of expansion teams. Did this in the tougher conference.

List the ones you think are better and why.

Also
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7wepu0X4AAJfsz?format=jpg&name=small

Yeah, no, I'm not wasting my time on this. You just gave me mostly team based accomplishments, and more than half of them aren't even attributable to Curry. So I'm going to give you another chance because I'm a nice guy. Give me Curry's ACTUAL RESUME, naming his accomplishments, awards, and milestones. This is your last chance to prove to me you aren't just a blind Warriors fan trying your damnest to defend Curry.

[NO-KG-AI]

So what’s Steph’s injury gonna be when he struggles to score against the Celtics? Knee? Ankle? Lets hear it now so it doesn’t manifest later.

whats lebron excuse for losing 6 finals??? did he need more help? was he just inexperienced? was his opponent just too good? was it his cramps? was it his coach??

What does LeBron have to do with this? leBron blew one with god awful play too. I’m not in here making up retroactive injuries to cover LeBron’s series where he failed.

[WarriorGM]

His title wins? Yes, I am suggesting they are in fact due to luck. The Warriors continuing to be juggernauts after the disappointing end to the 2016 season? Yes. Everything else? No.



You're going to have to do better than this. Trying to downplay the importance of defensive accolades and FMVP awards implies you're trying very hard to act like you aren't bothered by the fact that Curry doesn't have any. They absolutely matter, because here's the thing: most people agree with those decisions. Curry is not a great defender and never has been. He wasn't the best player for any of his three finals wins. Stuff like this matters when determining where Curry belongs on the all time rankings.



This is some laughable drivel I'm seeing here. That's never been how any of these awards work. And what's worse is that you just got done pointing out Curry's unanimous MVP selection of proof of his all time status but now you're diminishing other awards because he didn't win them. That's not how that works. Either the awards matter or they don't. You can't have it both ways.



The best regular season of all time doesn't mean anything without a championship. And guess what? Curry didn't win a championship that season, so pointing this out is meaningless. Best playoffs record? You can thank Durant for that. Impressive five consecutive seasons? Again, Durant. This is where the whole luck thing comes back into play. And you still have yet explain how these factors aren't due to luck.

Also, Curry doesn't have an all time great resume. If he does, feel free to list his resume and I'll have no problem listing out significantly better ones.

Did I point out the unanimous MVP? I think that was someone else. The unanimous MVP though is merely an indicator of what is the real accomplishment: the season Curry produced. That's the problem with many of the things people point to in these discussion they are secondary derivative byproducts of the real achievements. That said getting 100+ people to agree on something unanimously is impressive in most areas in life. Certainly makes it more notable in comparison to other subjective secondary evidence that the media churns out.

Durant disqualifies two of Curry's years? Then I guess Shaq disqualifies Kobe and vice versa for three of their years. Kareem disqualifies Magic and vice versa for how long? 5 years? Wade disqualifies LeBron's achievements for two years?

Luck? Setting records suggests it is not luck because no one else has done it. Turning around a perennialy losing franchise starting from the position of a rookie and then later turning around a last place team again suggests it is not luck. Name the other players who turned around losing teams without major acquisitions more than once. That you think Curry's career is questionable on these grounds shows how out of touch you are with reality.

Curry's résumé? Go ahead take your shots:

Led a team to three consecutive 67+ win seasons. Led a team to the best regular season record. Led a team to the best playoffs record. Engine of a team commonly referred to as the best NBA team of all-time. 3 championships in 5 consecutive finals appearances. 6 finals appearances in 8 years. Most efficient statistical season of all-time. +/- playoffs record. Turned around and won a championship for a moribund franchise that drafted him without another established star. Brought a team that finished dead last in the league to a finals in two seasons. Eliminated the First Team All-NBA aside from himself in a single championship run. Eliminated two closest MVPs in time that was not him playing simultaneously against him in a series. Eliminated arguably the two greatest guards of his era other than himself playing simultaneously against him in a series.

Did the above in the modern era in a league not diluted by recent addition of expansion teams. Did this in the tougher conference.

List the ones you think are better and why.

Also
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7wepu0X4AAJfsz?format=jpg&name=small

Yeah, no, I'm not wasting my time on this. You just gave me mostly team based accomplishments, and more than half of them aren't even attributable to Curry. So I'm going to give you another chance because I'm a nice guy. Give me Curry's ACTUAL RESUME, naming his accomplishments, awards, and milestones. This is your last chance to prove to me you aren't just a blind Warriors fan trying your damnest to defend Curry.

You said you'd provide better resumes. Go ahead and do it. I want to see real accomplishments on the basketball court and influence on the game of basketball not participation trophies determined off the court by network broadcasting agendas.

[Synciere]

He doesn’t go that far up in my book. The same people that don’t give KD credit for his chips act as if Steph didn’t get 2/3 of his rings on that same stacked team. Weird. He’s already a first ballot hall of famer, but he won’t ever enter the Mike, lebron, Magic, Bird, Kareem level in my opinion. He probably ends up being a top 30 guy all time in my book.

[TheLand13]

Did I point out the unanimous MVP? I think that was someone else. The unanimous MVP though is merely an indicator of what is the real accomplishment: the season Curry produced. That's the problem with many of the things people point to in these discussion they are secondary derivative byproducts of the real achievements. That said getting 100+ people to agree on something unanimously is impressive in most areas in life. Certainly makes it more notable in comparison to other subjective secondary evidence that the media churns out.

Durant disqualifies two of Curry's years? Then I guess Shaq disqualifies Kobe and vice versa for three of their years. Kareem disqualifies Magic and vice versa for how long? 5 years? Wade disqualifies LeBron's achievements for two years?

Luck? Setting records suggests it is not luck because no one else has done it. Turning around a perennialy losing franchise starting from the position of a rookie and then later turning around a last place team again suggests it is not luck. Name the other players who turned around losing teams without major acquisitions more than once. That you think Curry's career is questionable on these grounds shows how out of touch you are with reality.

Curry's résumé? Go ahead take your shots:

Led a team to three consecutive 67+ win seasons. Led a team to the best regular season record. Led a team to the best playoffs record. Engine of a team commonly referred to as the best NBA team of all-time. 3 championships in 5 consecutive finals appearances. 6 finals appearances in 8 years. Most efficient statistical season of all-time. +/- playoffs record. Turned around and won a championship for a moribund franchise that drafted him without another established star. Brought a team that finished dead last in the league to a finals in two seasons. Eliminated the First Team All-NBA aside from himself in a single championship run. Eliminated two closest MVPs in time that was not him playing simultaneously against him in a series. Eliminated arguably the two greatest guards of his era other than himself playing simultaneously against him in a series.

Did the above in the modern era in a league not diluted by recent addition of expansion teams. Did this in the tougher conference.

List the ones you think are better and why.

Also
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7wepu0X4AAJfsz?format=jpg&name=small

Yeah, no, I'm not wasting my time on this. You just gave me mostly team based accomplishments, and more than half of them aren't even attributable to Curry. So I'm going to give you another chance because I'm a nice guy. Give me Curry's ACTUAL RESUME, naming his accomplishments, awards, and milestones. This is your last chance to prove to me you aren't just a blind Warriors fan trying your damnest to defend Curry.

You said you'd provide better resumes. Go ahead and do it. I want to see real accomplishments on the basketball court and influence on the game of basketball not participation trophies determined off the court by network broadcasting agendas.

Okay.

LeBron has four MVPS, FMVPs, Championships and multiple defensive team selections and holds the record for first team all NBA selections. He has broken multiple NBA records, is on pace to break the scoring record, and is third most all time for finals visits.

There, I just named Lebron’s resume while going off the criteria you listed. Explain how Curry’s is better.