Took away the three and first team foul at 4 minute mark of 4th for Boston...

[og15]

My question is what if a shot like that happened with 2 minutes left and someone wins by 1 point. Since it took them longer than 2 minutes to review and change it, if that happened with 2 minutes left, after the game is over and someone gets presented an ECF trophy, would they change the result and give the trophy to different player on a different team?

Im fine with them changing the result of the play, I just think it's wrong to change the score of a play after the next play happens. Because it affects how the rest of the game is played. Like it or not, people play differently depending on how much they are up or down by. I agree with whoeever said that when they decided to remove the 3 points, at that moment in time they should have blown a whitle, and gone back and rewind the clock to the moment the play happened replay the rest of the game from there.

Replay center is only triggered for review of those kinds of play during the first 46 minutes of the game, if it happens within the last two minutes, a referee would have to call for the replay.

Instant replay will be immediately triggered by the Replay Center Official in the following situations:
The Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether (i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal during the first 46 minutes of regulation or first three minutes of any overtime period, or (ii) in the case of a called shooting foul at any time during a game, the Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal.

If a referee calls for replay, they have to do it within this timespan:

Whether the successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field Prior to the 2nd mandatory timeout in the 4th period, the review must take place at the next timeout or period break following the basket in question. If the next break is halftime, the review must take place prior to the officials leaving the court. Following the 2nd mandatory timeout in the 4th period and any overtime period, the review must take place at the next clock stoppage, including immediately upon a successful basket when the clock stops in the last two minutes. If a successful 2-point/3-point field goal is not reviewed in accordance with the foregoing timing rules, the play can no longer be reviewed once the ball is inbound and touched on the court, a personal foul is assessed or violation is whistled.

So it isn't possible for that to happen.

[Roscoe Sheed]

They didn't have phones, planes, tvs, or the internet for decades either, should we also get rid of those? If they have the technology to get more calls right why wouldn't you want to use them?

because it slows the game down so much- they review too many things (3 pointers, out of bounds, regular fouls, flagrant fouls, etc). They also sometimes take way too long to assess the call.

I'd be in favor of getting rid of all reviews besides clock issues.

The review in question didn't slow the game down at all.

true, but it was made too late- momentum had already shifted. Very bizarre call and I'm opposed to it. Why did they wait so long anyway? These guys are offsite. They don't just have 1 guy watching reviews do they?

[scottyno]

because it slows the game down so much- they review too many things (3 pointers, out of bounds, regular fouls, flagrant fouls, etc). They also sometimes take way too long to assess the call.

I'd be in favor of getting rid of all reviews besides clock issues.

The review in question didn't slow the game down at all.

true, but it was made too late- momentum had already shifted. Very bizarre call and I'm opposed to it. Why did they wait so long anyway? These guys are offsite. They don't just have 1 guy watching reviews do they?

How exactly had momentum already shifted? In the time between the shot going in and it being taken off the board the Cs increased their lead by 7 points. I also have no idea why you think they "waited so long", as opposed to the fact that they looked at a lot of different angles and it took them awhile to make the decision.

[soxfan2003]

I don't see 100% visual proof that the back of heal touched in that supplied video -- maybe looking at it on my large 4k tv would change my mind -- but based upon how his foot was planted, I am over 99% confident the sneaker did touch the line. With how his shoe was angled and how damn close it was even in the supplied video even if it didn't clearly hit the line that it would be pretty much impossible for a part of the shoe not to hit the white line.

I wouldn't be surprised if the league has some better angle not even shown on live TV. I believe they insinuated that they did but whether they are just using logic to know it touched or they really have great video of it, I don't know.

IMO Spoelstra is kind of complaining about the wrong thing which after a tough loss is understandable but on reflection, I hope he changes his mind and supports more replay and not less. It is in the interests of all of the teams/NBA for them to review all scores and verify no one scored after being out of bounds with the ball in their hands. Instead of less reviews by league office, review all baskets to make sure the player wasn't out of bounds with the ball in his hands.

The refs even when they are trying to do their best and not favor stars/teams, mess up enough so why not correct the easiest mistakes to fix that are a lot less subjective. Whether a push off should be called an offensive foul or not is subjective with how refs call it nowadays. But whether a player was out of bounds is less so with the visual evidence.

I'm only advocating these reviews for the playoffs since I realize it probably isn't worth the expense for the NBA to do it during regular season.

[Edrees]

My question is what if a shot like that happened with 2 minutes left and someone wins by 1 point. Since it took them longer than 2 minutes to review and change it, if that happened with 2 minutes left, after the game is over and someone gets presented an ECF trophy, would they change the result and give the trophy to different player on a different team?

Im fine with them changing the result of the play, I just think it's wrong to change the score of a play after the next play happens. Because it affects how the rest of the game is played. Like it or not, people play differently depending on how much they are up or down by. I agree with whoeever said that when they decided to remove the 3 points, at that moment in time they should have blown a whitle, and gone back and rewind the clock to the moment the play happened replay the rest of the game from there.

Then they would have stopped the game for an automatic review. Would you rather early in the 3rd quarter they had a long pause of play to decide if a guy stepped out of bounds? And also stop play 5-10 times a game to see if a guys toe was on a line?

If there's someone who is reviewing these plays it shouldn't take them more than 15 seconds to figure out if someones foot is touching the line. If you can't figure it out in 15 seconds that means its inconclusive and just let them have the points unless evidence clearly determines otherwise.

If the referree crew reviewed it yes it would take awhile because they have to get the camera ready and go to that play. But if there's a replay review crew upstairs they should be able to review it in seconds. They are technially reviewing every single play right after it happens.

[Edrees]

My question is what if a shot like that happened with 2 minutes left and someone wins by 1 point. Since it took them longer than 2 minutes to review and change it, if that happened with 2 minutes left, after the game is over and someone gets presented an ECF trophy, would they change the result and give the trophy to different player on a different team?

Im fine with them changing the result of the play, I just think it's wrong to change the score of a play after the next play happens. Because it affects how the rest of the game is played. Like it or not, people play differently depending on how much they are up or down by. I agree with whoeever said that when they decided to remove the 3 points, at that moment in time they should have blown a whitle, and gone back and rewind the clock to the moment the play happened replay the rest of the game from there.

Replay center is only triggered for review of those kinds of play during the first 46 minutes of the game, if it happens within the last two minutes, a referee would have to call for the replay.

Instant replay will be immediately triggered by the Replay Center Official in the following situations:
The Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether (i) a successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field goal during the first 46 minutes of regulation or first three minutes of any overtime period, or (ii) in the case of a called shooting foul at any time during a game, the Replay Center Official is not reasonably certain whether the player was attempting a 2-point or 3-point field goal.

If a referee calls for replay, they have to do it within this timespan:

Whether the successful field goal was scored correctly as a 2-point or 3-point field Prior to the 2nd mandatory timeout in the 4th period, the review must take place at the next timeout or period break following the basket in question. If the next break is halftime, the review must take place prior to the officials leaving the court. Following the 2nd mandatory timeout in the 4th period and any overtime period, the review must take place at the next clock stoppage, including immediately upon a successful basket when the clock stops in the last two minutes. If a successful 2-point/3-point field goal is not reviewed in accordance with the foregoing timing rules, the play can no longer be reviewed once the ball is inbound and touched on the court, a personal foul is assessed or violation is whistled.

So it isn't possible for that to happen.

Oh wow interesting, thanks for the info. I didn't know that. I guess that's precisely to avoid the scenario I described.

[1st banana]

Do the heat have their shooters practice that 5 step shuffle gather that strus and Robinson do? Not sure how that’s never a travel but it did look like the foot came down out.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen the review come so much later in the game tho. If it was the other way around I’d probably be livid but it is within the rules.

lol dont act like travels aren't called on a nightly basis in the NBA. watch any given game and you're bound to see a bad missed travel here and there. its not just Miami, all 30 teams have players who do it lol

Jesus relax I wasn’t singling out Miami just that particular type of movement that Robinson and strus do.

[AussieCeltic]

The review in question didn't slow the game down at all.

true, but it was made too late- momentum had already shifted. Very bizarre call and I'm opposed to it. Why did they wait so long anyway? These guys are offsite. They don't just have 1 guy watching reviews do they?

How exactly had momentum already shifted? In the time between the shot going in and it being taken off the board the Cs increased their lead by 7 points. I also have no idea why you think they "waited so long", as opposed to the fact that they looked at a lot of different angles and it took them awhile to make the decision.

Also... The Heat benefited from 2 missed calls in the final 2 minutes of play according the L2M report. Lowry travelled on a possession the Heat scored and Jimmy Butler should've been called for defensive 3 seconds. So even if you suggest they got this wrong (which they didn't), then you can easily take 3 points from the Heat on the L2M report.