22 Draft

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Some contexts and info about PATFO and some prospects we're looking at/may be in our range:

By some unofficial counts, no team sent more observers to the league’s annual prospect tire-kicking than the contingent from San Antonio.

And for good reason.

For the first time in club history, the Spurs will have three first-round picks in the June 23 draft. It marks only the third time in team annals the Spurs will have more than one first-round draft slot.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/NBA-Mock-Draft-2-0-17205786.php

Sure makes sense - we have more representatives to cover more players throughout the draft range as we have three picks. But of course some part of me thinks however irrationally that we're going to make some sort of a splash.

If we do, I'm sure we know this info already, but good for fans to know as well. Kind of surprising where some players project on both ends:

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Stats sometimes belie the eye test, sometimes confirm it. A player like Patrick Baldwin has great measurables, for example, but had a poor season and his stats on both ends present concerns. There are other RAMP stat tweets in that thread. Tari Eason and Jake LaRavia present well. I expected to see Mathurin on the positive O list but he's not there anywhere. Doesn't mean any conclusions can be made of each player, just adds to the body of info to consider for players fans either really like or haven't considered.

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If we stay at 9 i'd like AJ Griffin, and then would hope maybe we can package the other 2 to grab Nikola Jovic.

Hopefully we interview/work him out:

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INTERVIEW: Johnny Davis | Our List of Draft Prospects

EDIT to add: we worked him out post-Combine as well

Off to a fine start, Johnny!

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With the draft just less than a month away, that's what Badger247 set out to find about Davis, who many believe will be a lottery pick on June 23. The reigning Big Ten Player of the Year, Davis led the Badgers in scoring (19.7 per game) and rebounds (8.2) and was second in steals (36) and third in assists (66) this past season.

"I evaluated him when Wisconsin played Rutgers, and I have never seen a player more locked in during pregame than Johnny Davis. That guy's a competitor, and he's a killer on the court. If you're going to be a shooting guard that takes the types of shots he does, you have to have that killer mentality. That's exactly what he has night in and night out. His willingness to do everything his team has needed him to do on the offensive end — he's a very underrated passer. And then the defender he is — I have not seen a lottery pick in this year's class take on as much as he had to do on both ends of the floor. I was really impressed with his effort and intensity." [Nathan Grubel]

Q: What do you like most about Johnny's game?

Barlowe: "You have to start off with how competitive he is and how hard he plays. I just think with that mindset and fire, he'll go far. Whatever weaknesses teams say he has, he strikes me as a guy who's going to put in the work and work on it. As far as the fit, I think his game is more suited for the 90s NBA. He has the mid-range and pull-up (jump shots), and he likes to post up. Once he becomes a more consistent 3-point shooter, he's going to be so well-rounded, and you're going to have to find ways to stop him."[Rafael Barlow]

https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/LongFormArticle/Wisconsin-Badgers-basketball-Johnny-Davis-experts-discuss-draft-stock-and-best-fits-NBA-Draft-2022-187879995/#187879995_1

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INTERVIEW: Ousmane Dieng | Our List of Draft Prospects

Ousmane Dieng has a bright NBA future. The French point-forward is a great ball handler, play-maker scorer and passer. His NBA role projects as a creative big wing with some primary ball handling responsibility.

Dieng is the type of prospect that will move up boards as the draft approaches. His poor shooting numbers in the NBL (and his up and down play this past season) caused him to slide down boards but teams will want to bet on a long, 6-9 ball handler who is just scratching the surface of how good he can be.

Dieng has the makings of a sweet pull-up game and a knack for scoring from mid range, where he does a really good job of driving off of screens and finding space to get his shot.

Has really incredible movement skills for a player his size and is very fast with the ball in his hands. Can turn the corner and get to the rim with a really impressive burst. Has ALL the physical tools.

His outside shot looks good but he’s yet to hit at a high enough clip to be considered a good 3pt shooter. He shot less than 30% from 3 this past year but there is a lot of promise with his area of his game and I’d expect him to improve his accuracy over the coming years.

Ousmane is a long, lean athlete with great quickness, lateral speed and overall agility. He definitely looks the part of a NBA player and flashes big upside.

Uses these tools well on the defensive end and shows the potential to lock up ball handlers and guard in space. Can guard up and down the line up.

His biggest swing skill is his shooting. He hit just 67% of his FTs with the Breakers and his shooting touch is still in question.

When you watch him the first word that comes to mind is smooth

https://nbadraftroom.com/ousmane-dieng/

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WORKOUT: Josh Minott | Our List of Draft Prospects

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When it comes to position-less basketball, Memphis forward Josh Minott appears to be a perfect fit for the modern NBA.

The 6-foot-9, 19-year old can play multiple positions on offense and feels comfortable guarding all five positions defensively.

“I don’t really feel like a liability on anyone on the court,” he said last week at the NBA Draft Combine at Wintrust Arena. “I feel like I’m comfortable guarding every shape and size that there is.

“And offensively, I’m just a creator, and that’s with or without the ball. I’m someone that’s perfectly capable of doing the stuff that doesn’t appear on the stat sheet…Not many people feel comfortable without the ball, I’m someone who I’m always trying to get some type of motion on the court, whether that be cutting, flare screens, split actions, all that. I feel like I’m comfortable in NBA situations. I understand reads and I feel like I’d be attractive to any team.”

Minott averaged 6.6 points and 3.8 rebounds in 14.6 minutes last season at Memphis, but his per-36 minutes numbers are 16.2 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 2.0 steals and 1.6 blocks.

He is projected in the 40s in the June 23 NBA Draft by both ESPN.com and Tankathon, and could turn out to be a steal if drafted that low.

Before the NBA Combine, he worked out for San Antonio, Boston, Brooklyn, Milwaukee, Memphis and Indiana.

At the time, his travel team coach with Team Parsons , Roosevelt Gray, who also coached Mitch Richmond, David Benoit and Reggie Cross, compared him to a young Kevin Durant.

“Josh’s best basketball is ahead of him because he hasn’t even scratched the surface,” Gray said then. “When I said I had the next Kevin Durant, I was just talking about his length. But as far as the handles, he’s more of a point guard than Durant will ever be because he can go one, two, three, but he’s such a mismatch for everybody because he can play the point. He can facilitate.”

https://www.zagsblog.com/2022/05/26/memphis-forward-josh-minott-could-be-a-steal-in-the-nba-draft/

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Twitter:"He is projected in the 40s in the June 23 NBA Draft by both ESPN.com and Tankathon, and could turn out to be a steal if drafted that low."

Adam Zagoria"Some mocks have him as a projected lottery pick"

LMAO what?!?! I never seen a mock where he is projected even in the first round

I might take him at 38 but man, settle down with the fluff Adam....

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Twitter:"He is projected in the 40s in the June 23 NBA Draft by both ESPN.com and Tankathon, and could turn out to be a steal if drafted that low."

Adam Zagoria"Some mocks have him as a projected lottery pick"

LMAO what?!?! I never seen a mock where he is projected even in the first round

I might take him at 38 but man, settle down with the fluff Adam....

Yeah it was so interesting after last season's draft when Brian Wright said that Spurs' mocks, as well as those of teams in general from what I gather, is so different from the public mocks out there. Think of all the extra scouting and resources teams have. And while the top 3 are a lock, after that, this season it's such a crap shoot.

Add to that SO much smoke and misinformation, be it intended or not ('tis the season for attracting clicks and eyeballs to all the mocks and scouting reports out there), and I'm looking at actual footage, interviews, and scouting reports and ignoring rankings. Some mocks have us taking three SGs. Just taking the piss at this point

ALL that said, I agree completely. That's a post all-night bender of a reach lol But hey, I've just watched all I've posted. Projecting ceilings is what they pay the big bucks to the scouting and deep dive evaluation experts. If we get a steal at any of our picks, all the better.

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INTERVIEW: Patrick Baldwin Jr. | Our List of Draft Prospects

Baldwin is a big wing/forward who is coming off of a challenging freshman season in which he failed to getting it going in any meaningful way and played only 314 minutes over 11 games. The former 5-stsar recruit had a nagging ankle injury that hindered him but still looked very underwhelming this season, after being a much hyped prospect coming into the year.

PBJ has always been known as a shooter but hit only 26.6% from 3pt land this year and only 34.4% from the field. Shooters can go through slumps, especially when banged up so it’s too early to give up on him as a shooter.

He was coming off of a summer in which he looked OK for the U.S. U19 team but was far from the best player there. Then going to play for his dad at Wis. Milwaukee he just looked bad. He obviously has talent but might not be the player we thought he was a year ago.

PBJ isn’t the most explosive athlete you’ll ever see for his size and projects more as a player who floats around the perimeter rather than a guy who explodes into the paint and mixes it up down low.

He’s got good size for a wing and is a smooth runner for a 6-10 guy. Overall has very good mobility, just not great burst or suddenness.

Handles the ball well in the open court and has a SF skill-set.

Although he’s looked bad recently it’s way too early to give up on PBJ. He’s probably not the star we thought he was and is likely a year or two behind the curve we thought he was on but there’s still a good chance he’s an impactful player in the league.

https://nbadraftroom.com/p/patrick-baldwin-jr/

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INTERVIEW: MarJon Beauchamp | Our List of Draft Prospects

MarJon was out of the spotlight for a year but is now showing off his talents with the G League Ignite.

He’s a well-built 6-6 wing who can score inside and out. He’s got the frame of a NBA wing and plus athleticism, which allows him to play above the rim and finish through contract.

Has broad shoulders and long arms (a reported 7-0 wingspan) and has all the physical tools to excel at the NBA level.

Shows a lot of promise as a mid range and 3pt shooter. Can hit shots off the dribble or the catch-and-shoot.

A very active player who impacts the game on defense and on the glass. Plays with intensity and uses his size and athleticism well.

https://nbadraftroom.com/marjon-beauchamp/

The 6-foot-6 Beauchamp played at Seattle’s Rainier Beach High School, also the alma mater of Spurs All-Star point guard Dejounte Murray and Murray’s mentor, former NBA sixth man Jamal Crawford.

“They give me advice on how to lead my team,” Beauchamp said of Murray and Crawford in an interview with SeattleMet.com. “They support me.”

Beauchamp had a short stint with Yakima Valley College before joining the G League’s Ignite. On the negative side of the ledger, he shot a disappointing 24.2 percent from 3-point range.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-draft-17196045.php#photo-22517689

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INTERVIEW: John Butler Jr. | Our List of Draft Prospects

Butler had an impressive freshman season and has the attention of NBA scouts.

The way he moves around the court at 7-1 is beyond impressive. And the fact that he’s a dead-eye 3pt shooter as well only adds to the intrigue.

He’s very thin but agile and coordinated. Many 7-footers are clumbsy or slow but Butler is a fluid athlete who doesn’t look out of place in his frame.

He does a lot of nice things on defense, especially on the perimeter but doesn’t anchor a defense or guard very well in the post. His length is a major factor and alters a lot of shots but in the paint he can be bodied out of the way and isn’t really a center on D. He weighed in at a disappointing 179lbs at the draft combine.

His biggest appeal is his ability to float around the perimeter and stroke the 3-ball. For the season he shot almost 40% from 3pt land and his shot certainly looks nice. It seems like this area of his game will translate well to the NBA, even though he shot a terrible FT % (on only 25 attempts).

https://nbadraftroom.com/john-butler/

Of the three, Butler is the most intriguing prospect. The 7-foot, 174-pound South Carolina native entered his name in the NBA draft on April 27 while retaining his college eligibility and must withdraw by June 1 to keep it.

In his one season in Tallahassee, Butler averaged 5.9 points, 3.2 rebounds and 1.2 blocks per game. Projected as a stretch big, he impressed last season as a ball handler, a 39-percent shooter from the 3-point line and a versatile defender.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-draft-17196045.php#photo-22517689

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WORKOUT: Kendall Brown | Our List of Draft Prospects

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Brown is an extremely athletic wing prospect with springs in his legs who has all the makings of a future NBA player. He’s a standout defender, a great transition player and an emerging offensive talent.

His physical profile is elite. He’s an above the rim player with great vertical explosion, quick twitch athleticism and great change of direction.

Brown has a nice feel for spacing on the offensive end and he’s great at making cuts to the basket and going backdoor for lobs and layups. He’s mostly a straight-line driver who is developing his creativity with the ball.

Once he gets the ball on the wing or in the lane he’s one of the best finishers at the rim in his class.

Brown brings it on the defensive end and is a really standout on this end of the court. He’s got the size and athleticism to guard 1-4 and he very much fits into the modern switch-everything defense.

https://nbadraftroom.com/kendall-brown/

One on one interview: https://nbadraftroom.com/5-star-corner-kendall-brown/

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Some thoughts about PATFO and our prospective draftees:

Weird how we reportedly had the largest contingent of evaluators at the Draft Combine yet not a single photo of any of them has emerged. The 'where's Spurs Waldo' search continues!

And speaking of stealth, who we haven't reportedly worked out or interviewed is curious and makes me wonder about our real interest: Mathurin along with several other players that are projected at 9 are not on the list as of the time of this post. Caveat being that team mocks are wholly different from those of public ones. There's still time, of course, to do that and I wonder how many will be more secret in our facility. Kind of love the cloak and dagger.

If he's 6'4"-6'6" we're in the mix - haha! Half joking but prove me wrong, PATFO!

So far we've actually looked at about a third more forwards than guards so far, and the lot on the whole is lanky, more physical, with almost super human wingspans, all of which I really like.

I see kasrok's point about Mathurin more now. He's got an already well developed all around game, and in an interview with Mike Schmitz his response to where he sees himself in five years Mathurin responded that he wanted to be the best player in the NBA. Ok. Hard to gauge his personality as he comes across as super serious. Kind of makes me wonder whether he'd put his own interests above that of the team, however unfair that is not knowing much about him. Just an impression.

I see that Eason is more of a very important tool and glue guy who can help put a team into the higher echelon, though I'm not sure he's got All Star to him. He's already 21 and has aspects of his game he needs to develop that younger players already have (handles, etc.). Still love him, just not sure at 9 anymore.

I'm not sold on Sochan and I can't put my finger on why. It's not just that his O game needs work, but he seems more like a tool guy. At 9 we want a forward or big who can create his own shot, stretch the floor, be a physical presence, and defend well.

Love that we're working out Brown tomorrow. He's intriguing in terms of his physical profile and potential game.

Love John Butler Jr., too. Something about him resonates well with me. He's so coordinated for his 7'1" frame, an athletic freak, already great 3-point range, and although he's still super thin, he has a terrific frame - broad shoulders to fill out.

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Some thoughts about PATFO and our prospective draftees:

Weird how we reportedly had the largest contingent of evaluators at the Draft Combine yet not a single photo of any of them has emerged. The 'where's Spurs Waldo' search continues!

And speaking of stealth, who we haven't reportedly worked out or interviewed is curious and makes me wonder about our real interest: Mathurin along with several other players that are projected at 9 are not on the list as of the time of this post. Caveat being that team mocks are wholly different from those of public ones. There's still time, of course, to do that and I wonder how many will be more secret in our facility. Kind of love the cloak and dagger.

If he's 6'4"-6'6" we're in the mix - haha! Half joking but prove me wrong, PATFO!

So far we've actually looked at about a third more forwards than guards so far, and the lot on the whole is lanky, more physical, with almost super human wingspans, all of which I really like.

I see kasrok's point about Mathurin more now. He's got an already well developed all around game, and in an interview with Mike Schmitz his response to where he sees himself in five years Mathurin responded that he wanted to be the best player in the NBA. Ok. Hard to gauge his personality as he comes across as super serious. Kind of makes me wonder whether he'd put his own interests above that of the team, however unfair that is not knowing much about him. Just an impression.

I see that Eason is more of a very important tool and glue guy who can help put a team into the higher echelon, though I'm not sure he's got All Star to him. He's already 21 and has aspects of his game he needs to develop that younger players already have (handles, etc.). Still love him, just not sure at 9 anymore.

I'm not sold on Sochan and I can't put my finger on why. It's not just that his O game needs work, but he seems more like a tool guy. At 9 we want a forward or big who can create his own shot, stretch the floor, be a physical presence, and defend well.

Love that we're working out Brown tomorrow. He's intriguing in terms of his physical profile and potential game.

Love John Butler Jr., too. Something about him resonates well with me. He's so coordinated for his 7'1" frame, an athletic freak, already great 3-point range, and although he's still super thin, he has a terrific frame - broad shoulders to fill out.

Love all the updates your posting in here, but yeah I think it is weird we haven't interviewed many of the guys that are mocked around our pick.

Happy to see your liking Mathurin, hoping our collective energy and synthesize it to fruition lol. But after him I like Johnny Davis and AJ Griffin with our first pick, hopefully one of the three would be available and they all fit into the 6'4-6'6 height range so good chances of us selecting one of them if available haha

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OMG NOT JOHNNY DAVIS!!!! JUST NO! He has Bryn Forbes written all over him

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OMG NOT JOHNNY DAVIS!!!! JUST NO! He has Bryn Forbes written all over him

haha, I don't love him either but I guess I rather us pick the guy as the consensus best player available than us reaching for someone and then them not panning out either.

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Some thoughts about PATFO and our prospective draftees:

Weird how we reportedly had the largest contingent of evaluators at the Draft Combine yet not a single photo of any of them has emerged. The 'where's Spurs Waldo' search continues!

And speaking of stealth, who we haven't reportedly worked out or interviewed is curious and makes me wonder about our real interest: Mathurin along with several other players that are projected at 9 are not on the list as of the time of this post. Caveat being that team mocks are wholly different from those of public ones. There's still time, of course, to do that and I wonder how many will be more secret in our facility. Kind of love the cloak and dagger.

If he's 6'4"-6'6" we're in the mix - haha! Half joking but prove me wrong, PATFO!

So far we've actually looked at about a third more forwards than guards so far, and the lot on the whole is lanky, more physical, with almost super human wingspans, all of which I really like.

I see kasrok's point about Mathurin more now. He's got an already well developed all around game, and in an interview with Mike Schmitz his response to where he sees himself in five years Mathurin responded that he wanted to be the best player in the NBA. Ok. Hard to gauge his personality as he comes across as super serious. Kind of makes me wonder whether he'd put his own interests above that of the team, however unfair that is not knowing much about him. Just an impression.

I see that Eason is more of a very important tool and glue guy who can help put a team into the higher echelon, though I'm not sure he's got All Star to him. He's already 21 and has aspects of his game he needs to develop that younger players already have (handles, etc.). Still love him, just not sure at 9 anymore.

I'm not sold on Sochan and I can't put my finger on why. It's not just that his O game needs work, but he seems more like a tool guy. At 9 we want a forward or big who can create his own shot, stretch the floor, be a physical presence, and defend well.

Love that we're working out Brown tomorrow. He's intriguing in terms of his physical profile and potential game.

Love John Butler Jr., too. Something about him resonates well with me. He's so coordinated for his 7'1" frame, an athletic freak, already great 3-point range, and although he's still super thin, he has a terrific frame - broad shoulders to fill out.

Love all the updates your posting in here, but yeah I think it is weird we haven't interviewed many of the guys that are mocked around our pick.

Happy to see your liking Mathurin, hoping our collective energy and synthesize it to fruition lol. But after him I like Johnny Davis and AJ Griffin with our first pick, hopefully one of the three would be available and they all fit into the 6'4-6'6 height range so good chances of us selecting one of them if available haha

Thank you, kasrok, appreciate it!

Griffin is someone I'm looking into as a comparison/contrast to Brown who seems to shy away from shooting which has its own issues.

Although I don't have the same aversion to Davis as gump, I don't favour another guard unless he's a projected superstar. Like I would have no trouble picking Ivey had we landed the 4th or so pick. Davis sees himself as a Booker-type of player which is interesting and would be hard to pass up. I guess it depends on whether we see that, too.

As I said tongue in cheek before: if he's 6'4"-6'6" we're in the mix lol

mzfk69 gave a link in another thread (a lot of info will overlap now) and it stated that we were apparently really enamoured with Mathurin last year but he chose to go back to school. Interesting...

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Some snippets of info per Athletic article. Alas there was no intel as to what we ask players or were asked by them, nevertheless some information about players we either connected with or are mocked around where we pick:

Mathurin asked teams he interviewed with who they are looking to draft, especially at his position.

Potential first-round pick MarJon Beauchamp asked teams how they could help him develop as a player.

“I can see a vision where I can be an NBA All-Star,” Beauchamp said. “I want to be great. I want to see how they can see my vision.”

Jeremy Sochan was already a likely lottery pick, but talks with NBA executives revealed just how popular he is. The versatile Baylor forward, intriguing for his length and defensive skill, is considered likely to be gone by the late lottery, according to several NBA executives. One team executive put his floor at the No. 12 pick. The New Orleans Pelicans and Denver Nuggets are believed to have interest in Sochan, while the San Antonio Spurs are considered a strong fit for him.

This we already knew:

Manu Ginobili sat in on interviews for the Spurs. He was brought in as a special adviser for basketball operations before this season.

Wisconsin guard Johnny Davis has been working out in Miami in preparation for the draft. It’s safe to say he does not miss Madison. When one reporter asked how he liked Miami, he was definitive.

“It’s definitely a lot better than being in Wisconsin,” he said.

During Davis’ return to the Midwest this week, he interviewed with the Knicks, Pistons, Cavaliers, Spurs, Wizards and Nuggets, he said

Sure, ok. And then there are the post-Combine meet ups and workouts. Still, there may be some 'there' there:

Part of the purpose of the media availabilities during the combine is to find out which teams each player met with. An interview is not prima facie evidence that a team wants to draft someone, but it does mean there is some interest, whether it be a fact-finding mission or confirmation or something else, and also a sign that a player or his agent is willing to use that time to meet with a player as well. There is also the caveat that teams do sometimes draft players without ever meeting them or sometimes even working them out.

https://theathletic.com/3326340/2022/05/23/2022-nba-draft-combine/

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MATHURIN MATHURIN MATHURIN!!

Its happening lol, but I am hesitant with a name like Benedict/ experiences with Kawhi/ shift in player empowerment... the perfect storm haha jk I'm all in for Mathurin

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WORKOUT: Alondes Williams | Our List of Draft Prospects

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Williams is a sturdy guard who excels at penetrating the lane and scoring from mid range and at the rim. He’s also an excellent passer who finds shooters off of penetration. He’s averaging over 5 assists per game (and 3.5 TO’s)

From a physical standpoint he’s a solid 6-5 with a thick base and good strength. He’s not the most explosive athlete and doesn’t have the quickest first step but he uses his strength and size well and has enough athleticism for the next level.

Williams’ one area of weakness is a shooting the 3pt shot. He’s a solid FT shooter but has yet to become consistent from outside.

https://nbadraftroom.com/alondes-williams/


Somewhere between lol and yikes:

Wake Forest guard Alondes Williams wore a shirt with Pablo Escobar on it into an interview with the Golden State Warriors. That raised eyebrows in the room.

A Warriors official asked Williams if he was going to let the Escobar shirt represent him since it was the team’s first time meeting him and how it reflects on him. He had no answer.

“They was like, if somebody asked you that again, just say ‘I’m a killer on the floor or something like that,'” Williams said. “OK, that’s a good one.”

https://theathletic.com/3326340/2022/05/23/2022-nba-draft-combine/

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